We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
based purely on resume Shurmur is the better option. Success in multiple places, with multiple head coaches and consistently successful with lesser QBs. He made Colt McCoy look serviceable.
This doesn't mean he is the better choice, just that it looks that way on paper.
There were reports about NYG and Patricia but was a big indicator that Detroit never blinked. Similar situation here. We will know McDaniels is the guy if Indi moves on. If not, then Indi is still in play and not nothing is done.
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
Did any of them say they know who it is? I got the impression that they only know that there is a new guy, but not who it actually is and that they are merely speculating that it's McDaniels. It's possible that all of their sources only know that the Giants have ended the search and are operating as if an agreement has been reached with someone. If I were someone in middle management at Giants HQ I could see how it would be possible to know that Gettleman and Mara have ended the search but not know who they decided on.
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
Did any of them say they know who it is? I got the impression that they only know that there is a new guy, but not who it actually is and that they are merely speculating that it's McDaniels. It's possible that all of their sources only know that the Giants have ended the search and are operating as if an agreement has been reached with someone. If I were someone in middle management at Giants HQ I could see how it would be possible to know that Gettleman and Mara have ended the search but not know who they decided on.
If you're looking for a "It is McDaniels" quote,it's not there! However, it doesn't take Columbo to figure out what is being insinuated. Also, I'd find it beyond ridiculous that DG & JM would "end" a search w/o knowing who their next coach is!
Eric said he got it from two sources. While no one came out and said that they knew who it was, the way they couched the comments didn't seem as if it was people speculating.
That said everyone has been burned and then criticized in the past, so seemed like caution rather than not knowing.
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Eric said he got it from two sources.
Did he claim he got a name from two sources or just that he heard there was a new sheriff in town? GiantGrit, who started the thread, came out and said from the start that all he knew was that a new guy had been hired, but that he didn't know who it was. And Eric followed by saying he had heard the same thing from two different sources. Well, if he heard the same thing, then he is merely speculating on who it might be. And JonC never claimed to know who it was either, only that in his mind logic dictated that it was McDaniels. But his logic was rather weak (no offense, JonC) and didn't include a variety of alternative possibilities.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
they have connections inside the organization, have apparently heard there was an agreement, and hinted at who it might be. They are being purposely vague to respect their sources, otherwise they’d just say it. That’s it.
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source. JonC has done this with many things in the past including our draft picks. You are going to have to wait like the rest of us.
In comment 13789396 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Eric said he got it from two sources.
Did he claim he got a name from two sources or just that he heard there was a new sheriff in town? GiantGrit, who started the thread, came out and said from the start that all he knew was that a new guy had been hired, but that he didn't know who it was. And Eric followed by saying he had heard the same thing from two different sources. Well, if he heard the same thing, then he is merely speculating on who it might be. And JonC never claimed to know who it was either, only that in his mind logic dictated that it was McDaniels. But his logic was rather weak (no offense, JonC) and didn't include a variety of alternative possibilities.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
Milton, Doesn't look like you'll be happy until Mara is at the podium. I & others have explained to you what was insinuated,why those in the know won't specifically name the person,we've pointed you to the pages where the info was given & you still keep asking the same questions. Since it seems you don't want to have any faith in 3 of the most respected posters on BBI,wait for the Mara PC!
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
You’re ruining this thread. Either you believe what’s being said or you don’t. Leave it at that
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Milton, trust me when I say that JonC, Eric, and hitdog have an impeccable track record with this sort of thing. They are giving us what they can and letting us fill in the blanks.The reasons why should be obvious. Be skeptical if you like, just stop being willfully dense.
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Give it a rest man. I'm not sure about anything. I just don't see the point in demanding answers. They aren't going to give them to you, nor should they if they have legit sources. I get that you just want to know, everyone does, but if they give any more info than they might as well just flat out tell us (which isn't going to happen).
You’re ruining this thread. Either you believe what’s being said or you don’t. Leave it at that
I'm ruining the thread??? I believe the Giants have agreed to terms with a new head coach, which is what the asshats have said and it's all that they have said with any certainty.
I'm trying to determine if the conclusion that it is McDaniels is based on speculation or asshat info. None of the asshats have claimed to know the name of the new guy, but they've claimed to know that there is in fact a new guy. JonC, in particular, said he thought it was McDaniels based on logic, not insider info (and it was rather faulty logic). And Eric merely said not to rule out McDaniels, which is something he would've said even if he didn't know who the new coach was.
if they said they knew definitively than you'd have your answer. I don't really understand what's so puzzling about this. Its a rumor thread and they threw out some crumbs for us. Some believe them, some don't. They have a good track record so I'd be inclined to believe them, but that's me.
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
if they said they knew definitively than you'd have your answer. I don't really understand what's so puzzling about this. Its a rumor thread and they threw out some crumbs for us. Some believe them, some don't. They have a good track record so I'd be inclined to believe them, but that's me.
I believe them! I just don't get why some of you think that they kept some crumbs to themselves.
Milton - and maybe you are just missing the part Â
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
Your reading comprehension is bad go back and read it again
you want to know if they said they definitively knew who it was. I'm saying that if they said that they might as well just outright tell us. If they didn't know anything, I'm guessing they would have said that by now.
people get so sensitive...he’s just saying no one said who it was. In particular there is one “asshat” who has said absolutely nothing and people are lapping it up!
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
Eric was clear that he was not hearing Wilks or Patricia as being the decision - With Shurmur coaching the final four got whittled to one.
Now - it could be a dark horse, or Shurmur's people could have agreed to a "wink wink" offer yesterday (and I don't think anyone is saying yesterday was the day of the agreement) but you are correct. No asshat on this thread has come out and said who WILL be the coach, just who will not and our inference.
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
I should have added /s at the end of that post. Just having a play-on-words bit of fun with your post.
people get so sensitive...he’s just saying no one said who it was. In particular there is one “asshat” who has said absolutely nothing and people are lapping it up!
Actually hotdog on another thread made it very clear who it was and so did Jonc on this thread...
Also if you read erics comments he makes it very clear
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
Milton, if you actually took the time to read through this thread (especially page 4 and 5 as was stated), then you would be able to come to your own conclusions.
I will spell it out for you....
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GiantGrit : 1/14/2018 4:49 pm
We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2018 6:57 pm : link : reply
Not hearing Patricia or Wilks.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
where they won't come outright and name the guy, but they both made blatant references to McDaniels.
Not sure why you need them to write the words "it's mcdaniels"
I'm gonna try to spell this out as clearly as possible. There are two things going on here: insider info and speculation. Eric and JonC have been known to pass along insider info, but they also speculate on all things Big Blue. The thread started with GiantGrit saying he knew there was a new head coach, but that he wasn't given the name. Eric then confirmed that two different sources had told him the same. He didn't give any indication at the time that he had any more information than what GiantGrit had passed along.
Given this fact, speculation naturally followed re: who the new head coach was. And Eric and JonC participated in the speculation, at no time given any indication that what they were saying was anything more than speculation. The speculation followed two different lines of thinking, one which led to the conclusion that it was McDaniels, another which led to the conclusion it was Shurmur. I found the logic behind it being Shurmur to be more convincing than the logic behind it being McDaniels, but that's neither here nor there, none of the logic was conclusive.
But some seem to interpret Eric's and JonC's speculation as being hints, assuming they knew more than they ever claimed to know. And that's why I asked in my original comment if there was a comment that I might've missed in which either of the two had given any indication that a name had been passed on to them. In response to that question, all I've received is more speculation about hidden motives that Eric or JonC would have for only revealing half of the information they had been given. So just more speculation and none of it remotely conclusive.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
Take hitdog advice and go to a thread that is not obvious and you will see who he says will be head coach..
the article posted about what JM has learned from his Denver stint as HC, I’m inclined to think he would much prefer the Giants ownership vs the train wreck of an owner in Indy. I also don’t think Indy’s QB situation is as attractive as some would think with Lucks shoulder....he plays a very physical style of game and that took him out for over a year, shades of Romo to me in some ways.
Hinting don’t want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. It’s like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. It’s the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really don’t care to be first or seen as “clued in”. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
Hinting don’t want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. It’s like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. It’s the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really don’t care to be first or seen as “clued in”. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
So some of you saying McDaniels... other's agreeing but saying that if it's Shurmur you would have no clue... other's saying Wilks and Shurmur but NOT McDaniels....
As someone who just registered, it's really hard to decipher what's BS and what's not lol....
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going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
This doesn't mean he is the better choice, just that it looks that way on paper.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
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But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
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But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
Did any of them say they know who it is? I got the impression that they only know that there is a new guy, but not who it actually is and that they are merely speculating that it's McDaniels. It's possible that all of their sources only know that the Giants have ended the search and are operating as if an agreement has been reached with someone. If I were someone in middle management at Giants HQ I could see how it would be possible to know that Gettleman and Mara have ended the search but not know who they decided on.
If you're looking for a "It is McDaniels" quote,it's not there! However, it doesn't take Columbo to figure out what is being insinuated. Also, I'd find it beyond ridiculous that DG & JM would "end" a search w/o knowing who their next coach is!
That said everyone has been burned and then criticized in the past, so seemed like caution rather than not knowing.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source. JonC has done this with many things in the past including our draft picks. You are going to have to wait like the rest of us.
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Eric said he got it from two sources.
Did he claim he got a name from two sources or just that he heard there was a new sheriff in town? GiantGrit, who started the thread, came out and said from the start that all he knew was that a new guy had been hired, but that he didn't know who it was. And Eric followed by saying he had heard the same thing from two different sources. Well, if he heard the same thing, then he is merely speculating on who it might be. And JonC never claimed to know who it was either, only that in his mind logic dictated that it was McDaniels. But his logic was rather weak (no offense, JonC) and didn't include a variety of alternative possibilities.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
Milton, Doesn't look like you'll be happy until Mara is at the podium. I & others have explained to you what was insinuated,why those in the know won't specifically name the person,we've pointed you to the pages where the info was given & you still keep asking the same questions. Since it seems you don't want to have any faith in 3 of the most respected posters on BBI,wait for the Mara PC!
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
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If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
You’re ruining this thread. Either you believe what’s being said or you don’t. Leave it at that
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If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Milton, trust me when I say that JonC, Eric, and hitdog have an impeccable track record with this sort of thing. They are giving us what they can and letting us fill in the blanks.The reasons why should be obvious. Be skeptical if you like, just stop being willfully dense.
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If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then they’d be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Give it a rest man. I'm not sure about anything. I just don't see the point in demanding answers. They aren't going to give them to you, nor should they if they have legit sources. I get that you just want to know, everyone does, but if they give any more info than they might as well just flat out tell us (which isn't going to happen).
You’re ruining this thread. Either you believe what’s being said or you don’t. Leave it at that
I'm trying to determine if the conclusion that it is McDaniels is based on speculation or asshat info. None of the asshats have claimed to know the name of the new guy, but they've claimed to know that there is in fact a new guy. JonC, in particular, said he thought it was McDaniels based on logic, not insider info (and it was rather faulty logic). And Eric merely said not to rule out McDaniels, which is something he would've said even if he didn't know who the new coach was.
Not sure why you need them to write the words "it's mcdaniels"
Your reading comprehension is bad go back and read it again
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
Eric was clear that he was not hearing Wilks or Patricia as being the decision - With Shurmur coaching the final four got whittled to one.
Now - it could be a dark horse, or Shurmur's people could have agreed to a "wink wink" offer yesterday (and I don't think anyone is saying yesterday was the day of the agreement) but you are correct. No asshat on this thread has come out and said who WILL be the coach, just who will not and our inference.
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who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
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who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
I should have added /s at the end of that post. Just having a play-on-words bit of fun with your post.
Actually hotdog on another thread made it very clear who it was and so did Jonc on this thread...
Also if you read erics comments he makes it very clear
Milton, if you actually took the time to read through this thread (especially page 4 and 5 as was stated), then you would be able to come to your own conclusions.
I will spell it out for you....
The thread starter stated...
We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach
Not hearing Patricia or Wilks.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
I've never been a fan of McDaniels, but hopefully he has grown and learned as that article stated. Thanks to the code talkers and code breakers.
Not sure why you need them to write the words "it's mcdaniels"
Given this fact, speculation naturally followed re: who the new head coach was. And Eric and JonC participated in the speculation, at no time given any indication that what they were saying was anything more than speculation. The speculation followed two different lines of thinking, one which led to the conclusion that it was McDaniels, another which led to the conclusion it was Shurmur. I found the logic behind it being Shurmur to be more convincing than the logic behind it being McDaniels, but that's neither here nor there, none of the logic was conclusive.
But some seem to interpret Eric's and JonC's speculation as being hints, assuming they knew more than they ever claimed to know. And that's why I asked in my original comment if there was a comment that I might've missed in which either of the two had given any indication that a name had been passed on to them. In response to that question, all I've received is more speculation about hidden motives that Eric or JonC would have for only revealing half of the information they had been given. So just more speculation and none of it remotely conclusive.
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Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
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Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
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Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
Take hitdog advice and go to a thread that is not obvious and you will see who he says will be head coach..
what an ass..lol
Wilks or Shurmur. Not McDaniels.
Wilks or Shurmur. Not McDaniels.
Hope like hell that you're right
So some of you saying McDaniels... other's agreeing but saying that if it's Shurmur you would have no clue... other's saying Wilks and Shurmur but NOT McDaniels....
As someone who just registered, it's really hard to decipher what's BS and what's not lol....
Probably should just take it to another thread. I'm with you though, too much here is inferred while not truly implied.