I don't think he's getting roasted enough. This coach Fuc%ed up. No other way around it. He screwed his team.
4th and inches? Pitch to the back 5 yards deep? Terrible but its one call.
Again...4th and short? Play action pass? Awful again but you can overcome it.
Terrible calls. You have an all pro C and G. And an ox at QB. Let him fall forward for the first down.
But it got worse for this coach.
The onside kick? No excuses. You are putting your season on the line for a slim shot recovery. No defense. No explanation. Id fire his stupid ass tonight.
We had...
2 TOs left.
2:20 on the clock.
Blake Bortles on the other side at QB.
Outside of the RB dump off he looked shaky. He's been dumped on for a month. Any player. Any coach. Should love him on the other side vs their team with a playoff game on the line. If he beats you with a play? Fine. But put the pressure on him to do it.
They forced a punt on 3 of the last 5. Even on the TD drives they had them in 3rd and long. But forget all of that. If PIT kicks it deep that team would run it 3 times.
Tomlin is telling everybody he thinks the odds say "try the onside kick"? He said "We hadn't stopped them convincingly enough"? That's BS.
The 4th down calls were awful.
The onside kick is indefensible. It was a hail mary call when you didn't need it. Chances of getting the onside kick in that situation? Under 15% when the other team expects it. That;s the number I hear all of the time, but that 15% number seems high to me. It almost NEVER happens when the opposing team is lined up for it.
Stopping Blake Bortles from picking up a first down on the road in a playoff game? That's for damn sure higher than 15%.
This coach blew it. He deserves a good ripping for it.
The play calls you listed could be blamed on Haley. Steelers looked not ready.
Jax' D tho...those boys get after it. Would love to see them kick some ass in NE.
- The Steelers gave up TDs on the 2 drives directly preceding this decision, so bringing up punts makes no sense.
No one can assume the Steelers would've made a stop even if JAX played the possession very conservatively. Heck, they gave up 9.5 yards on 3 rushes prior to the FG. In a normal situation, the move would be to kick the ball deep. The play of the Steelers defense in this game made it anything but that.
But the onside kick is mind blowing to me. Even against Brady and Brees I kick it. Vs Bortles? At home? Come on. You're tossing in the towel with that call.
I'm watching ESPN and nobody is tearing into this coach like they should. Just a bone head call that followed a few others.
- 8 plays, 75 yards, TD
You load up and make him beat you. There is no other decision.
And the TDs? They had a couple of broken plays. They had them 3rd and long and the CB Gay blows the coverage on the RB.
I'll take my chances on that again.
The long throw to the rookie Cole was shit. Artie Burns looks back and hes got it. This followed another shit throw from Bortles on a long one that Mitchel picks if he plays the ball. In between he did not look good outside of the dump off pass. That's all he has.
Put the pressure on Bortles and getting the ball back >>>>> the chances of recovering that onside kick.
Especially since they had them in 3rd and longs.
And the QB is Bortles.
On the other side they are going to be very conservative with this joker at QB. Shot of the 3 and out and ball back with 1:40 left is MUCH GREATER than recovering that onside kick.
It was a no brainer call.
If the Steelers defense was so ready to accept this challenge, they still could've kept the Jags from moving the ball and getting an easier FG attempt. Instead, they allowed the Jags to get 9.5 yards on 3 runs setting up a much easier FG.
I had no problem with Tomlin's choice based on how pathetic his defense had been. It certainly was risky to attempt the onside kick, but the idea that it was a no-brainer to kick it deep kinda ignores what happened in the game.
3rd and 8 on the other drive. And then a long DUCK to Cole.
Bortles didn't do shit.
Steelers blew one coverage. On the other Burns didn't locate the ball.
But that does not matter.
If you're in a home playoff game. And you have to get a 3 and out can you name more than a few guys you want at QB?
Come on! It was a no brainer.
Id love to sit down with him and debate the thought process behind this terrible move. He really has nothing to back up his call.
Seriously - how is anyone on earth defending this decision? He gave the game to the Jags with this move. He gave it to them.
They had 2 plays in the 2nd half. The swing pass to Yeldon and long pass to Cole. Bortles didn't do shit on either play.
He also has several high passes over the middle of the field that could have been picked.
The first game vs PIT it was all about the 5 INTs by Ben. It wasn't the JAX offense. But that doesn't mean shit here in this game.
Bortles was shit for weeks. He was shit in this game. Fournette wasnt doing anything. You need a 3 and out. Would you get it at a better % than that 10-15% shot at the onside kick?
I can’t disagree with the Tomlin criticism. I texted a buddy after that onside kick failure and said it was the dumbest call since Pete Carol in the Supe. Dumber he said, Tomlin had more time to think about the kick. Tomlin probably thought he would either recover the kick or hold the Jags to three and out at midfield. It wasn’t the right call.
3rd and 8 on the other drive. And then a long DUCK to Cole.
Bortles didn't do shit.
Steelers blew one coverage. On the other Burns didn't locate the ball.
But that does not matter.
If you're in a home playoff game. And you have to get a 3 and out can you name more than a few guys you want at QB?
Come on! It was a no brainer.
Id love to sit down with him and debate the thought process behind this terrible move. He really has nothing to back up his call.
Bortles completed his previous 5 passes for 119 yards and a TD. The Jags had rushed for 155 yards at that point. You can make all sorts of excuses for why that's not as bad as it sounds, but it's just that... excuses. Tomlin didn't trust his defense and had been given ample reasons not to. He took a chance. The game still wasn't over after he took the chance. The defense allowed the Jags to move the ball from a difficult FG to a makeable FG opportunity.
You can say, "I would've done it differently", but to say it was a no-brainer is being ignorant of what had actually occurred in the game.
What you should have is a lot of confidence that the chances of getting that 3 and out are MUCH GREATER than getting that onside kick?
It should have been an easy call.
And then increasing your chances of stopping that 3 and out are BLAKE BORTLES and the adjustment you make on defense. You sell out to stop it. If you don't get it you lose. But you pack the box and make him make a throw that he has NEVER PROVEN he can make.
Or look at the plays and player involved.
He threw one to Yeldon for 40 on a swing pass on 3rd and long.
And threw a duck to Cole long.
Nothing impressive about it. And you sure as hell do not change a basic risk/reward call because of these 2 plays ESPECIALLY when the guy on the other side is Bortles.
Tomlin did a bunch of dumb things in that game but I don't see a big problem with the insides kick given how bad the Steeler defense was today.
So what.
Making an adjustment on D to sell out to stop a first with Bortles at QB is much easier than recovering an onside kick.
He threw a long one to Cole? So what.
He threw a swing pass to Yeldon for 40? Doesn't matter.
You get the D out there and give them a shot against one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL.
- The Steelers gave up TDs on the 2 drives directly preceding this decision, so bringing up punts makes no sense.
No one can assume the Steelers would've made a stop even if JAX played the possession very conservatively. Heck, they gave up 9.5 yards on 3 rushes prior to the FG. In a normal situation, the move would be to kick the ball deep. The play of the Steelers defense in this game made it anything but that.
If the Jags get two first downs any way, the game is likely over. The math DICTATES you kick it deep there. I was at work and found a place to hide and watch that last 2 mins. As soon as I saw them line up for the onside kick, I left my nook and went out on to the floor. I knew it was over.
For no other reason than they had to prevent it from being a 2 poss game. The onsides kick almost guaranteed that using your logic. At least gice yourself a chance.
With 2 minutes left you arent covering the entire field any more.
You are stopping a first down. Against a team that will probably run it 3 times.
The defensive approach changes.
Is it guaranteed to stop them? Hell now.
Are the chances of getting that 3 and out much greater than getting that onside kick? Hell yes.
But again, this does not matter.
It's about risk/reward and nothing else.
How the fuck does anybody think the onside kick gives them a better shot?
What are the % when the other team is ready for it? Its under 10 right?
1 in 10? But Id say it is lower.
The odds of getting a 3 and out when you are selling out to stop it are unquestionably higher than 1-10 when Blake Bortles is on the other side.
But again, this does not matter.
It's about risk/reward and nothing else.
How the fuck does anybody think the onside kick gives them a better shot?
What are the % when the other team is ready for it? Its under 10 right?
1 in 10? But Id say it is lower.
The odds of getting a 3 and out when you are selling out to stop it are unquestionably higher than 1-10 when Blake Bortles is on the other side.
Im with you. 2:18 with 2 timeouts. Just mind numbmingly dumb to give them the ball at midfield. Fucking retarded
But you already said it: stop them and they likely get the ball inside their own 10. Going 80-90 yards against that defense in 1:45 with no timeouts would be beyond tough. Kicking the ball deep, and they get 2 first downs, games over anyways. Stop them, and they likely get the ball back around the 35 yard line and a much better shot of tying the score.
The idea of anybody defending the onsides in that situation is bothersome to say the least.
What you should have is a lot of confidence that the chances of getting that 3 and out are MUCH GREATER than getting that onside kick?
It should have been an easy call.
And then increasing your chances of stopping that 3 and out are BLAKE BORTLES and the adjustment you make on defense. You sell out to stop it. If you don't get it you lose. But you pack the box and make him make a throw that he has NEVER PROVEN he can make.
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in getting a 3 and out.
What you should have is a lot of confidence that the chances of getting that 3 and out are MUCH GREATER than getting that onside kick?
It should have been an easy call.
And then increasing your chances of stopping that 3 and out are BLAKE BORTLES and the adjustment you make on defense. You sell out to stop it. If you don't get it you lose. But you pack the box and make him make a throw that he has NEVER PROVEN he can make.
Are they? Pittsburgh hadn't stopped them at all on three consecutive drives. Kwall people disagree with you. Get over it.
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is ignoring everything I saw in this game.
He made the big throws when needed. If that were Eli you'd be singing his praises. The onside kick was dumb. But Tomlin had no confidence in his defense and with them having 42 points already on the board, he made a choice. Had it worked he was a gutsy genius. If you fire him for that your an idiot.
lol you don't know kwall if you think that.
The Jaguars weren't going to attempt a 50+ yard field goal in that situation - the Steelers needed to hold up better than what they did (no more than 5 yards) but they didn't.
Of course you could say the same applies even if they kick it deep, but the opportunity to get the ball at midfield with limited time remaining carried weight in this situation. The fact that the Steelers scored so fast on their final drive needs to be ignored because the Jags would not have played a similar defense in a one-score game.
You gave up 45 points to the Jags... it's ALL on the defense.
All the rest is meaningless.
Stop them a few times and you win easily, you scored 42 points.
His defense was giving up big plays.....so to say his call was indefensible, just doesn't hold water.....
The problem was it was a pathetic onsides kick attemot. So bad tht it cost them 10 yards of field position.
If they are 10 yards further back they dont kick a field goal, they punt or go for it.
- Andy Reid and the Chiefs folding, in a game where Hunt had more carries when Kelce was playing than after he was injured, and reid had terrible clock management
- Dan Quinn. Having two excellent backs and choosing to pass the ball at the goal line and going with the fades instead of buying time and looking for other patterns. Furthermore, he went away from pressuring Foles to a more passive D in the second half.
- Saints took a timeout immediately preceding the TD, presumably to discuss how not to let the Vikes let anyone get behind them. Even in the absence of a timeout, the result is painful, but knowing you specifically discussed the play and then watch it unfold is a dagger
- All the points KWALL brought up about Tomlin
It has really been a poor postseason for coaches.
Gutsy call and the end result worked in their favor, but it was absolutely the wrong call.