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LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/15/2018 6:58 am


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Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 9:30 am : link
well if the market dictates he can be had far below the expected numbers so be it. But giving him a huge extension because you are scared he walks would be franchise crippling at this point
this team is fucked  
gm7b5 : 1/15/2018 10:22 am : link
how can you build around a 7'3 guy who thinks hes a 6'3 shooting guard?
gm  
brunswick : 1/15/2018 10:29 am : link
Great point...he can't play defense and the next good pass he makes will be his first.
RE: Don't  
djm : 1/15/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13789485 DanMetroMan said:
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extend Kanter (shop him), try and get value for Lee/KOQ, play Dotson and Willy more


Works for me. I'd only keep Kanter on a ridiculously affordable vet deal. Probably not happening although I guess it's possible when you factor in Kanter's affinity for the NYC area. But even then, we are probably better off moving him.
RE: If  
djm : 1/15/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13789557 DanMetroMan said:
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Perry makes moves aimed at saving 2018 I will be sick. I hope he's not that dumb/isn't pressured into such things.


I really don't think he will make moves for the now. Perry's body language since coming here has indicated a pragmatic long term approach to things. Even if you want to get on him for trading melo for now parts that was the only trade available that didn't completely suck.

I think perry starts dealing pieces away once the Knicks bottom out later this month. It's only a matter of time. They won't be close to a playoff spot for much longer.
RE: gm  
djm : 1/15/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 13789779 brunswick said:
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Great point...he can't play defense and the next good pass he makes will be his first.


You're the worst poster on BBI.
RE: gm  
Eli Wilson : 1/15/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13789779 brunswick said:
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Great point...he can't play defense and the next good pass he makes will be his first.


Porzingis leads the league in blocks and is top 20 in Defensive FG differential. I wouldn't say he can't play defense.

Problem is, neither he nor Hornacek realize that he is a C.
RE: RE: If  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 13789817 djm said:
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Perry makes moves aimed at saving 2018 I will be sick. I hope he's not that dumb/isn't pressured into such things.



I really don't think he will make moves for the now. Perry's body language since coming here has indicated a pragmatic long term approach to things. Even if you want to get on him for trading melo for now parts that was the only trade available that didn't completely suck.

I think perry starts dealing pieces away once the Knicks bottom out later this month. It's only a matter of time. They won't be close to a playoff spot for much longer.


My concern is more about Dolan/Mills and MSG never seemingly being open to tearing things down vs. Perry being a moron.
If you can somehow get in position to draft Trae Young  
dpinzow : 1/15/2018 10:45 am : link
you have to do it...he's almost scarily like Steph Curry. Frank will be a good PG but Trae Young might be the best PG in the league when Curry, Russ, etc. age out
Even  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 10:57 am : link
if you LOVE Frank he's just not good enough to pass on a special PG if one were available.
Couldn't Frank become a 3 and D type of 2  
adamg : 1/15/2018 10:59 am : link
IF Trae is in the picture?
RE: Couldn't Frank become a 3 and D type of 2  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13789904 adamg said:
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IF Trae is in the picture?


In theory yes. But right now only 31% from 3. My point was more... you take the best player when you pick. Frank is not a "special" talent you avoid impacting.
RE: this team is fucked  
nygiants16 : 1/15/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13789736 gm7b5 said:
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how can you build around a 7'3 guy who thinks hes a 6'3 shooting guard?


Didn't the Macs win a championship built around dirk?
It's  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 11:15 am : link
more than fair to critique KP (for various things) but his PG play is well below average and the talent level is really poor around him. Even "good" players like Kanter have very significant flaws. ThJr might end up being a good signing after all but when he's your #2 player sight unseen it's not a good sign.
RE: RE: RE: If  
djm : 1/15/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13789849 DanMetroMan said:
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Perry makes moves aimed at saving 2018 I will be sick. I hope he's not that dumb/isn't pressured into such things.



I really don't think he will make moves for the now. Perry's body language since coming here has indicated a pragmatic long term approach to things. Even if you want to get on him for trading melo for now parts that was the only trade available that didn't completely suck.

I think perry starts dealing pieces away once the Knicks bottom out later this month. It's only a matter of time. They won't be close to a playoff spot for much longer.



My concern is more about Dolan/Mills and MSG never seemingly being open to tearing things down vs. Perry being a moron.


Yeah they always seem to deal from a position of weakness or desperation. It's a viscious cycle that won't break until the Knicks sit on their hands and let this thing grow organically, even if it's a painfully long process. I would move young assets or resources if the player was too good to pass up but only if it's a transcendent player or draft pick. One of the reasons why I don't hate the Noah contract (it sucks I know) is because the cap limitations will prevent the Knicks from signing a now player that hurts the long term model. When Noah comes off the books the Knicks will be closer to being ready to make a move for the moment, so to speak. Of course I'd rather Noah and his contract be gone, but it is what it is...
Rarely do you build a title contender  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2018 11:18 am : link
around any one guy. Porzingis is averaging 23ppg and leads the league in blocks per game. He's a huge piece.
If you're gonna buildf around somebody  
Phil in LA : 1/15/2018 11:21 am : link
you have to create plays for him, like Hubie did around Bernard, and Riley did around Patrick. Horny hasn't done that for KP and it's limiting his O.
We haven't had a lead guard worth shit  
djm : 1/15/2018 11:24 am : link
In fucking decades. It's disgusting really.

Frankie smokes has a chance to be a good player but as mentioned the Knicks need to add more guard talent no matter what frank does here the next season or two.
People  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 11:25 am : link
a lot smarter than me in terms of X's and O's have been questioning what exactly Hornacek is doing (on twitter).
Lead guard or point guard  
djm : 1/15/2018 11:27 am : link
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People  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2018 11:30 am : link
don't want to hear it as the ultimate outcome but a team with KP with a normal roster around him should be a perennial top 5 seed and that's not even a "good" roster around him. That's how poor the talent is/the fits are.
Jarret Jack in the John Wall/Russell Westbrook role  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2018 11:31 am : link
isn't thrilling any of you? I thought I was the only one.
RE: People  
nygiants16 : 1/15/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13789976 DanMetroMan said:
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a lot smarter than me in terms of X's and O's have been questioning what exactly Hornacek is doing (on twitter).


Hornacek is garbage, he runs iso for a guy who is best in the pick and pop or pick and roll...

He starts lance Thomas who does absolutely nothing so team's just leave him wide open to clog the paint...

How about down the stretch put the ball in hardaway hands and run pick and roll or pop with kp like the Macs dad with Terry and dirk...

Jack has been playing very well but he is to slow to turn the corner and he is not a good 3 point shooter...

End the game with floor spacers, the offense in the 4th quarter has been way to stagnant
If KP continues to threaten to leave and prevents  
JustaDiscussion : 1/15/2018 11:51 am : link
the Knicks from properly rebuilding, would any of you guys consider looking for a blockbuster trade? For example, what if the Knicks could get the 1st or 2nd pick in the upcoming draft and 2 or 3 additional picks or young talented players along with it, would anybody pull the trigger?
To me, KP seems to have been poisoned by Melo, is playing out of position, lacks perimeter defense, takes too many bad shots, lacks stamina and has injury concerns. I personally would prefer KP to stay on the Knicks and continue to improve, but only if he buys into the complete rebuild that most here are suggesting.
"lacks perimeter defense"?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/15/2018 12:24 pm : link
When did that become a thing for a 7'3 big?
KP's perimeter defense seems important to me because of  
JustaDiscussion : 1/15/2018 12:48 pm : link
how the Knicks currently use him. Obviously, many teams in the league have smaller line-ups and shoot more threes. When KP is on the floor with another big like Kanter or O'Quinn, which seems to be most of the time, against smaller teams he needs to defend the perimeter. The way I see it, a big reason why other teams have so many wide open threes against the Knicks is because neither KP or Kanter get out to the 3pt line in time on rotations. If the Knicks played KP more with Beasley instead of Kanter or O'Quinn, I agree that his perimeter defense would be less of an issue. That's my opinion at least.
Listen,  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/15/2018 1:09 pm : link
I don't think Hornacek is the next big thing. But I'd like to see some consistency with coaching. How many coaches are we gonna go through?

You need the players. Get the players, and the coach will succeed.
RE: Listen,  
Sgrcts : 1/15/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13790266 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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I don't think Hornacek is the next big thing. But I'd like to see some consistency with coaching. How many coaches are we gonna go through?

You need the players. Get the players, and the coach will succeed.


So good coaches dont matter? False.

It's irrelevant what Phil did or any other exec before him. Those are sunk costs. Perry had nothing to do with Hornacek. If Perry wants his own guy, he should get it, not keep a bad coach on because we have had too many coaches recently.
RE: Listen,  
nygiants16 : 1/15/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13790266 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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I don't think Hornacek is the next big thing. But I'd like to see some consistency with coaching. How many coaches are we gonna go through?

You need the players. Get the players, and the coach will succeed.


Go look at Miami roster and tell me how they are that much better?

You think if spoelstra is the coach of this team they are losing to the bulls 3 times or blowing 19 point lead to the pelicans?
26-24 Knicks after one.  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2018 3:38 pm : link
Pretty blah start.
Didn't take Trey Burke long to get in a game.  
Heisenberg : 1/15/2018 4:33 pm : link
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Hornacek  
TyreeHelmet : 1/15/2018 4:38 pm : link
Is an awful coach. It's clear as day. Has no clue about game management. They keep blowing these big leads for a reason.
Burke was playing really well  
B in ALB : 1/15/2018 4:42 pm : link
And has sat on the bench since.

Fuck Hornacek.
Ntilikina having a nice day.  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2018 4:47 pm : link
Courtney Lee in the open court is a riot.
Let's have some more free throws.  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2018 4:52 pm : link
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Frank looked as good in the 3rd quarter as  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/15/2018 4:59 pm : link
Ron Baker looked bad, which is to say really good and really bad.
RE: Burke was playing really well  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/15/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13790960 B in ALB said:
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And has sat on the bench since.

Fuck Hornacek.


Gotta see Ron Baker yo.
Frankie taking over on both ends...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/15/2018 5:03 pm : link
blocked shots, assists, three pointers.
Frank looks great today.  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2018 5:14 pm : link
Very confident and aggressive on both ends.
RE: Frank looks great today.  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2018 5:24 pm : link
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Very confident and aggressive on both ends.


10-7-10 with a minute left ... a Lonzo-like line! :-)
Frank  
nygiants16 : 1/15/2018 5:25 pm : link
10 points 7 boards 10 assists
nice lines for KP and Beasley too -  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2018 5:28 pm : link
bad as the Knicks have been, Brooklyn seems to be worse.
That was close to my dream game for this team.  
JustaDiscussion : 1/15/2018 5:34 pm : link
KP was efficient and played significant time at the 5. Frank played one of his best games of the season. It was good to see Burke show some promise. Now lets see if they can do that against a team that's better than the Nets.
RE: RE: Frank looks great today.  
B in ALB : 1/15/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13791049 Del Shofner said:
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Very confident and aggressive on both ends.



10-7-10 with a minute left ... a Lonzo-like line! :-)


I was thinking the same thing. Haha.

I really like Michael Beasley. I hope they hang onto him. He's fun to watch.
It was a lot of fun seeing KP at the 5  
adamg : 1/15/2018 6:32 pm : link
Especially with Beasley and McBuckets in there too.
First Knicks rookie since...  
adamg : 1/15/2018 6:35 pm : link
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Frank Ntilikina is the first Knicks rookie to tally at least 10 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 blocks in the same game since 1964
Two trends may be developing.  
Ira : 1/15/2018 6:51 pm : link
1) Beasely is getting some of Kanter's minutes when KP plays center. IMO, Kanter is an overrated player.
2) Jack may see his minutes gradually diminish in favor of Frank and Burke.
RE: First Knicks rookie since...  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2018 7:11 pm : link
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@TommyBeer
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Per @bball_ref:

Frank Ntilikina is the first Knicks rookie to tally at least 10 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 blocks in the same game since 1964


Doesn't say who that was but I'd guess Howard Komives. Man, it makes me feel old just saying that ... But the stat is wrong - Frank had 10-7-10 today, not 10-10-7.
RE: RE: Frank looks great today.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/15/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13791049 Del Shofner said:
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Very confident and aggressive on both ends.



10-7-10 with a minute left ... a Lonzo-like line! :-)


LOL.
RE: RE: First Knicks rookie since...  
adamg : 1/15/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13791207 Del Shofner said:
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@TommyBeer
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Per @bball_ref:

Frank Ntilikina is the first Knicks rookie to tally at least 10 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 blocks in the same game since 1964



Doesn't say who that was but I'd guess Howard Komives. Man, it makes me feel old just saying that ... But the stat is wrong - Frank had 10-7-10 today, not 10-10-7.


I didn't even notice that. I wonder if that stat is right then.
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