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Anyone think the Jags can win this weekend?

BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/15/2018 9:28 am
I certainly do... They have a similar feel to our teams that beat New England. Great sacking defense, great secondary, and a strong run game. To bad you have no idea which Blake Bortles will show up each week. He's the wild card!
No  
jeff57 : 1/15/2018 9:28 am : link
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Yes...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/15/2018 9:29 am : link
Gotta hit TB12 though early & often.
can they? sure...  
bLiTz 2k : 1/15/2018 9:30 am : link
i don’t think they will be intimidated by the moment, as they are a pretty confident (nearly arrogant) bunch on D...

BUT — their D will have to play lights out and they were anything but vs Pitt.
of course they can  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2018 9:31 am : link
but they won't.

the Steelers put 42 on them. Patriots d is better and offense is better.

It's a longshot,  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2018 9:33 am : link
but I think the possibility is there.
I give them an even chance.  
Diver_Down : 1/15/2018 9:35 am : link
It all comes down to the Jags defense. The secondary will have to play man. Sitting in zones will allow Tom to find his targets. The key will Calais and Malik. If they can collapse the pocket and put pressure up the middle, Tom will crumble. He hates getting hit and if the pressure starts early and often up the middle, Tom will begin looking at the rush and not his receivers. The playbook on how to beat Tom has been written. It just isn't easy to pull off.
Pretty sure no one  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/15/2018 9:36 am : link
thought the Giants could beat the Pats in SB 42. Of course I'm giving the Jags a chance and think they can win.
Absolutely  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 9:36 am : link
If you have a defense and can pressure the QB and you can run the ball. You have a chance.

Sacksonville can pressure the QB. Fournette can run the ball.

The Jags have a chance.
Yes  
Sammo85 : 1/15/2018 9:37 am : link
They have a shot. They have good enough talent and speed on defense to get at Brady. They won’t be able to blitz much though as they’re going to need to blanket Gronk. They’ll need to force some turnovers from their corners in coverage.

The Jags will need a big run game from Fournette and Yeldon. If I was Marrone I would activate and dress Chris Ivory and include him in a 3 RB rotation to mix it up.

I think it’s the better game to watch.
Yes  
Sarcastic Sam : 1/15/2018 9:37 am : link
Flu outbreak in Patriots locker room.
If anyone knows how to beat Brady, Coughlin does.  
Brown Recluse : 1/15/2018 9:38 am : link
I hope it happens but its not likely.

I'm so sick of the Patriots.
On any given Sunday.  
Ryan in Albany : 1/15/2018 9:39 am : link
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Danny Kanell : 1/15/2018 9:40 am : link
I think they absolutely can.
One thing the Jaguars have demonstrated  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2018 9:43 am : link
is that when you have a good defense and a strong running game, you can go very far.

Sadly, 2011 seemed to have convinced certain people with the Giants that they could ignore those aspects of the team as long as they had a good quarterback and some skill players in place.
I know Big Ben  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/15/2018 9:47 am : link
threw for nearly 500 yards yesterday, but coming out and throwing the ball like that is why Jacksonville won. They gave up only 1 INT, but they also had the strip sack. Both lead to points.

I just think you need to run the ball on this defense and play a low scoring field position game with them. Take care of the ball, and make Bortles beat you.
They could  
ajr2456 : 1/15/2018 9:47 am : link
But Blake Bortles will have to be much better.

They’ll keep it close but the Pats win.
No.  
GiantsUA : 1/15/2018 9:48 am : link
IMO,if the Pat's turn over the ball 3 times - Jags O. And 2 of the turnovers result in defensive touchdowns, it will be close.
RE: of course they can  
WillVAB : 1/15/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13789572 pjcas18 said:
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but they won't.

the Steelers put 42 on them. Patriots d is better and offense is better.


It’s a matchup driven league. The Pats don’t have anyone close to the level of Bell and Brown. Jags D could hold the Pats o down.

All comes down to Bortles. BB will take away Fournette and make Bortles beat him (as he should).
RE: of course they can  
GoDeep13 : 1/15/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13789572 pjcas18 said:
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but they won't.

the Steelers put 42 on them. Patriots d is better and offense is better.
Steelers had to make amazing plays all day to stay in the game. Jags beat Pats as long as Bortles isn’t turning over the ball.
The Jags shouldn't win  
David B. : 1/15/2018 9:53 am : link
But Tom Coughlin knows how to beat BnB.
Look at the way the Giants  
section125 : 1/15/2018 9:54 am : link
beat Brady, Pressure up the middle and constantly. Jags can do that, too.
If Bortles plays like yesterday they have a good chance. Patriots cannot run like the Steelers. But those safeties better tighten up.

I'll bet BB looks at those tapes of Giants D - thinks about TC across the field and sets up to defend against what the Giants did in 42 and 46. I actually think the Jags pass rush might be better, but no worse than the Giants were. Big diff is Bortles ain't in the same universe as Eli.

I think Pats ultimately win a close one, but will not be surprised if the Jags win because of their defense.
The Jags' defense gives them a chance,  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2018 9:58 am : link
but I have a hard time believing that Belichick won't put together a gameplan that forces Bortles to make plays in order to win the game.

The quick speed of the Pats' short passing game also gets a lot of first down and frustrates defenses. The Jags' defenders will have to stay patient and focused through the entire game in order to avoid mental mistakes.
RE: The Jags' defense gives them a chance,  
WillVAB : 1/15/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13789647 an_idol_mind said:
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but I have a hard time believing that Belichick won't put together a gameplan that forces Bortles to make plays in order to win the game.

The quick speed of the Pats' short passing game also gets a lot of first down and frustrates defenses. The Jags' defenders will have to stay patient and focused through the entire game in order to avoid mental mistakes.


The Jags have fast, skilled, LBs who can cover. It will be an interesting matchup with Hogan/Amendola/RBs vs Jags LBs. The Pats should make some plays but I think the Jags have the better end of it.
THey have a great shot to beat them.  
djstat : 1/15/2018 10:04 am : link
If they can scheme a way to take away Gronk. Take Gronk from Brady and he is mediocre. Just watch the Miami game when Gronk didn't play. Takeaway Gronk will hurt brady. Curious if Ramsey can cover Gronk 1 x 1.
RE: Absolutely  
mfsd : 1/15/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 13789579 twostepgiants said:
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If you have a defense and can pressure the QB and you can run the ball. You have a chance.

Sacksonville can pressure the QB. Fournette can run the ball.

The Jags have a chance.


Agree with this
RE: RE: of course they can  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2018 10:08 am : link
In comment 13789620 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13789572 pjcas18 said:


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but they won't.

the Steelers put 42 on them. Patriots d is better and offense is better.




It’s a matchup driven league. The Pats don’t have anyone close to the level of Bell and Brown. Jags D could hold the Pats o down.

All comes down to Bortles. BB will take away Fournette and make Bortles beat him (as he should).


Ok. Is this your first year watching the Patriots?

Patriots passing offense, rushing offense, and scoring offense were better than the Steelers in 2017.

but, sure they don't have the elite talent of Brown at WR and Bell at RB.

So what? Brady is light years better than Ben, no one can match up with Gronk and then defenses get so confused with who to cover out of Dion Lewis, James White, Amendola, Hogan etc. the Patriots just score.

but keep holding on to that "it's a matchup driven league" mantra as the Patriots win the Super Bowl.
Section, good point.  
GuzzaBlue : 1/15/2018 10:09 am : link
Pressure up the middle is key and doing so by not blitzing. Brady can be thrown off his game when he can't step up in the pocket.

They just have so many wrinkles they throw in that offense. Those sweep tosses can be so effective especially when your concentrating on Gronk and the receivers. It's almost impossible to win the chess game with them.
RE: THey have a great shot to beat them.  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13789670 djstat said:
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If they can scheme a way to take away Gronk. Take Gronk from Brady and he is mediocre. Just watch the Miami game when Gronk didn't play. Takeaway Gronk will hurt brady. Curious if Ramsey can cover Gronk 1 x 1.


Oh, is that all they have to do? Why, it's easy then!
well  
giantfan2000 : 1/15/2018 10:21 am : link
Tom Coughlin knows how to game plan against NE
so there is a chance
Anytime..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2018 10:23 am : link
you have a top ranked defense, it is possible.

The Ravens were far from favorites going into the 2000 playoffs, but they knocked out almost every QB they faced and had a suffocating defense.

Jax isn't on that level, but when you have a D like that, you'll at least stay in most games.
sure they do. they have a good team. Bortles is the wild card.  
Victor in CT : 1/15/2018 10:24 am : link
I'm sure Pats focus will be on controlling Fournette and forcing Bortles to win the game.

Notice most people say "Belichick will" take away Fournette, not "Patricia will"?

Therein lies the danger of hiring him. Nobody knows exactly what he or any other Belichick assistant does.
RE: RE: RE: of course they can  
WillVAB : 1/15/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13789686 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13789620 WillVAB said:


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but they won't.

the Steelers put 42 on them. Patriots d is better and offense is better.




It’s a matchup driven league. The Pats don’t have anyone close to the level of Bell and Brown. Jags D could hold the Pats o down.

All comes down to Bortles. BB will take away Fournette and make Bortles beat him (as he should).



Ok. Is this your first year watching the Patriots?

Patriots passing offense, rushing offense, and scoring offense were better than the Steelers in 2017.

but, sure they don't have the elite talent of Brown at WR and Bell at RB.

So what? Brady is light years better than Ben, no one can match up with Gronk and then defenses get so confused with who to cover out of Dion Lewis, James White, Amendola, Hogan etc. the Patriots just score.

but keep holding on to that "it's a matchup driven league" mantra as the Patriots win the Super Bowl.


Ok, is this your first year watching football?

Pats OL isn’t as good as Steelers OL. Brady doesn’t have any mobility. Jags should get more pressure with their front 4.

No one in NE’s backfield is as good as Bell. The Pats establishing the run is out of the question.

Cooks is a glorified Mike Wallace. The Jags can shadow him with Buoye and be fine.

It gets interesting with Gronk/Hogan/Amendola/RBs vs the rest of the Jags, but it’s not gonna be business as usual for the Pats. The Titans D was built to stop big plays so the Pats killed them with short stuff all game. The Jags have talent at every level to contest everything.

Like I said, it’s an interesting matchup. Jack and Smith can run and cover. The Jags should get pressure with their front 4.

Anyone who thinks the Pats offense is just going to come in and run over the Jags defense is a fool.
RE: well  
NNJ Tom : 1/15/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13789734 giantfan2000 said:
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Tom Coughlin knows how to game plan against NE
so there is a chance


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This. Not only will they cover, I'm about 60% that they will win outright. TB12 is in for a long day.
Jacksonville is actually built to beat New England  
dpinzow : 1/15/2018 10:40 am : link
but for the gigantic ? that is Blake Bortles

Strong running game (control the clock)
Best pass rush in the NFL (at worst 2nd best)
Safeties and corners who can cover (Ramsey, Bouye)
JAX can beat the Pats for certain. Not sure what the hell  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2018 11:24 am : link
happened to Jags safeties in that game yesterday but if they even showed up for half of the plays they would have blown out the Steelers.

Having a Jags - Minn Superbowl will be a refreshing change for fans that like watching football...
They have that one ingredient you need -  
Section331 : 1/15/2018 11:27 am : link
create pressure with your front four. The Jax front 7 is legit, and their back 4 ain’t bad either!

I just think that Belicheck will find a way to expose Bortles.
Coughlin is Patriots' Kryptonite,  
clatterbuck : 1/15/2018 11:46 am : link
plus a really good D that can pressure Brady and fast lbs that can run with Gronk. It could be an interesting game.
Blake Bortles has never lost a playoff game  
LatHarv83 : 1/15/2018 12:25 pm : link
Tom Brady has lost 9 of them. I’m going with the more sure thing
Yes if they had  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/15/2018 12:25 pm : link
Eli Manning at QB
Yes they have a shot  
Matt in SGS : 1/15/2018 12:31 pm : link
they have what should be a good defense and they can run the ball.

And for all the Pats dominance, remember this is a team that has lost home playoff games to the Jets and Ravens (twice) and probably should have lost a 3rd time to the Ravens.

That said, I don't see the Pats losing to them. This reminds me of 1996, when they went to Foxboro in the AFC Championship out of nowhere and lost to the Parcells Patriots.

pass rush  
spike : 1/15/2018 12:34 pm : link
will need to get to Brady
Absolutely  
montanagiant : 1/15/2018 12:38 pm : link
That is the most physical Defense the Pats will see this year. We all know what happens when Brady is knocked around and this team has the ability to do that. Add in a good running game and there is definitely a possibility for an upset. The wildcard is Bortles, if he can do what he did last game with a bit more of him running that will open up that D
RE: JAX can beat the Pats for certain. Not sure what the hell  
jpennyva : 1/15/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13789975 Jimmy Googs said:
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Having a Jags - Minn Superbowl will be a refreshing change for fans that like watching football...


Absolutely!
Jags do have a respectable chance...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2018 1:25 pm : link
They are young, hot, fearless, and confident. And those are dangerous elements come playoff time.

Jags will have to apply consistent pressure, tackle well, limit red zone trips to FGs, and win the turnover battle. They certainly seem to have the talent to maybe pull those off...

Plus, the weather forecast is very mild with no precipitation and no wind. And poor conditions are usually a big plus for the Pats.

Still...it's very hard to go against Brady and that team in Foxboro...They just seem destined to have two times in the Brady era where they win 3 out of 4 SBs.



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