See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
Your response tells all that needs to be told. It's not about thicker skin,it's about understanding a situation,the flexibility of it & why people don't want to share info because of responses like yours!
It might come as a surprise that I wasn't being serious with my comment. It actually was meant to be good-natured ball busting. Apparently when it comes to asshattery that stuff isn't cool. Lesson learned.
Think Titans may have made a mistake. But, if McD comes here...maybe not.
This would be a great landing spot for McDaniels. Don't need too much on offensive side of ball, maybe another wr and a 3rd down rb. Defense is pretty good - but need a dominant pass rusher.
Cost of living down here is really good and weather is good. One of fastest growing areas in the country.
have concerns about BB's assistants, this could be looked at as dodging a bullet.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
have concerns about BB's assistants, this could be looked at as dodging a bullet.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
But if so, why would he need to be a "sleeper" candidate? He's free and clear to be hired, and nobody is banging down his door. Unless, folks are intending "sleeper" to mean "fallback."
If we were looking at darkhorses, BB would be the top choice, and Saban would be a possibility too.
But I really don't know anything on those guys (other than hearing a lot of positives about Wilks), whereas, I've heard negative report after negative report on McD for several years from team support staff.
have concerns about BB's assistants, this could be looked at as dodging a bullet.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
I'm with you on McDaniels. I want Shurmur, but was fine with Patricia or Wilks.
In an effort to start the updates early, I almost starting creating the coaching bio for Patricia last week and McDaniels last night. Glad I didn't start.
Can you make one up for Tom Quinn, just to completely rule out that possibility
picking a head coach is a crap shoot. With the exception of Belichick they’re all gambles. Let’s just hope are new coach pans out. Ridiculous getting all bent out of shape at this point.
between what the giants want and what another coach wants.
the draft is easy... giants want player A... he is available... giants get him.... in FA its also generally simple... if they want him they just offer more.
coaching, if a coach has multiple options does it matter as much what the giants want?
RE: RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up Â
our brilliant owner who 1) at the Gettleman presser listed criteria that specifically excluded Wilks and 2) let it leak that Wilks was out of contention.
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
at minimum to satisfy the rooney rule. so it's still sort of interesting. technically, they can't be talking to mcdaniels right now. if their interviewing process is a sham, then we'll know it's a done deal.
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
I still believe we have not interviewed our next coach yet. 2 Coordinators of NE leaving turmoil in Patriot land. I believe the drama has not ended in NE or in our search for a new coach. Sit back and let it play out I will bet you we have a coach by Feb. 10th.
our brilliant owner who 1) at the Gettleman presser listed criteria that specifically excluded Wilks and 2) let it leak that Wilks was out of contention.
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
You are assuming that they leaked that info. It may not even be true. We also don't know whether the Giant made an offer to someone and whether that offer was declined.
Eric...you voiced your concerns at the start of this process Â
Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Mara’s fingerprints all over it.
If there’s not something larger up their sleeve, which I highly doubt, it’s hard to figure out what they’re doing.
Giants make an official statement that he was out of the running or was it just the beat writers? I feel that Gettleman has been pretty quiet about this. Only rumors and speculation at this point.
I've been following the Giants a long time. We're talking about a situation here where ALL of the beat reporters were reporting the SAME thing. So if they all got it wrong or are making things up, I've never seen that before.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
directly after talk of extending him, points to having someone in place. But they haven't interviewed anyone. Wink, wink - sure. But I'd want to sit down with the guy and get a real feel for him first.
I've been following the Giants a long time. We're talking about a situation here where ALL of the beat reporters were reporting the SAME thing. So if they all got it wrong or are making things up, I've never seen that before.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
Didn't we all always complain that Accorsi (with everything) and Reese (with the draft) were way too loose with the info leaking from the Meadowlands?
I imagine that now with Gettleman the info is on a truly need to know basis, which is basically Gettleman, Mara and Tisch.
That's good isn't it?
RE: the titans still have to go thru the interview process Â
at minimum to satisfy the rooney rule. so it's still sort of interesting. technically, they can't be talking to mcdaniels right now. if their interviewing process is a sham, then we'll know it's a done deal.
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
Ding ding. Titans aren't immune to the Rooney rule.
Serious question: Is there an easier coaching job in the NFL than being O-co of the Pats?
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
What’s really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I don’t want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
In an effort to start the updates early, I almost starting creating the coaching bio for Patricia last week and McDaniels last night. Glad I didn't start.
are you saying you hear differentyly now or the situation is fluid ?
Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Mara’s fingerprints all over it.
Why is it puzzling? Because of the lack of information? We're not supposed to be the ones 'in the know' until it's done.
Eric...you voiced your concerns at the start of this process
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Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Mara’s fingerprints all over it.
This has Gettleman's fingerprints all over it. Nothing but speculation has been given to the Media guys, a lot like he was in Carolina. Meanwhile, the past two decades in Giants land has been a series of leaks and poorly kept secrets.
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
Serious question: Is there an easier coaching job in the NFL than being O-co of the Pats?
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
What’s really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I don’t want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
Well said. I agree.
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
I really wouldn't have said a thing if I knew how sensitive that topic is. My bad Eric.
WIthout knowing the behind the scenes maneuvering, it’s hard Â
hard to comment on the process, but why does it seem like the Giants, Mara specifically, are being indecisive? This is in line with their actions over the last few years, when decisive actions needed to be taken but weren’t, hence this disaster of a season.
If other teams can come to an agreement with coaches still in the playoffs, what’s preventing the Giants from doing so? It just seems ass backwards to interview candidates and then not make a choice until everybody on your list is taken.
If it’s Shurmur, better not let him go to Arizona. Why do I have a feeling it will Schwartz?
As I said last night, this is why I (and others) are wary of passing on info we hear to BBI. Because if sources are wrong or things change, you guys can be dicks about it.
We are dicks to guys who parade around here with insider info, time and time again, when it's clear they're simply throwing shit out there to attract attention.
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According to all our asshats...
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
Your response tells all that needs to be told. It's not about thicker skin,it's about understanding a situation,the flexibility of it & why people don't want to share info because of responses like yours!
It might come as a surprise that I wasn't being serious with my comment. It actually was meant to be good-natured ball busting. Apparently when it comes to asshattery that stuff isn't cool. Lesson learned.
We won't know till Mara is holds a press conference.
Until then it's all conjecture.
Idk how people can get all that MAD about it, nothing is official till these guys are out of the playoffs anyway.
It does make for some interesting reading throughout the day, (since the Giants are not in the playoffs) and for that I am grateful.
This would be a great landing spot for McDaniels. Don't need too much on offensive side of ball, maybe another wr and a 3rd down rb. Defense is pretty good - but need a dominant pass rusher.
Cost of living down here is really good and weather is good. One of fastest growing areas in the country.
He declined.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
Who's on the top of your board?
Then Shurmur or Wilks.
If we were looking at darkhorses, BB would be the top choice, and Saban would be a possibility too.
But I really don't know anything on those guys (other than hearing a lot of positives about Wilks), whereas, I've heard negative report after negative report on McD for several years from team support staff.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
I'm with you on McDaniels. I want Shurmur, but was fine with Patricia or Wilks.
Costco
It might have been Rapoport said he was linked to the OC of the Browns under Jackson...
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It might have been Rapoport said he was linked to the OC of the Browns under Jackson...
To become the OC that is.
As these other staffs shake up there is opportunity to get a jump on a great staff hires, guys like Grimm.
There’s no reason they can’t bring in a veteran OC like a Kubiak or perhaps now Mularkey to offset Wilks’s inexperience if that worries them.
We need a guy known as a leader and disciplinarian. Thats Wilks.
Can you make one up for Tom Quinn, just to completely rule out that possibility
the draft is easy... giants want player A... he is available... giants get him.... in FA its also generally simple... if they want him they just offer more.
coaching, if a coach has multiple options does it matter as much what the giants want?
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
You are assuming that they leaked that info. It may not even be true. We also don't know whether the Giant made an offer to someone and whether that offer was declined.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Mara’s fingerprints all over it.
If there’s not something larger up their sleeve, which I highly doubt, it’s hard to figure out what they’re doing.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
But they all said, there were three "finalists."
I've been vocal about talking down the Doomsayers, but Shurmer seems vanilla, and Wilks seems too soon just like Mac was.
Still strikes me as bizarre that Wilks gets more support than McD around here.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
Didn't we all always complain that Accorsi (with everything) and Reese (with the draft) were way too loose with the info leaking from the Meadowlands?
I imagine that now with Gettleman the info is on a truly need to know basis, which is basically Gettleman, Mara and Tisch.
That's good isn't it?
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
Ding ding. Titans aren't immune to the Rooney rule.
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
What’s really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I don’t want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
are you saying you hear differentyly now or the situation is fluid ?
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Mara’s fingerprints all over it.
Why is it puzzling? Because of the lack of information? We're not supposed to be the ones 'in the know' until it's done.
Chris684 : 11:38 am : link : reply
Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Mara’s fingerprints all over it.
This has Gettleman's fingerprints all over it. Nothing but speculation has been given to the Media guys, a lot like he was in Carolina. Meanwhile, the past two decades in Giants land has been a series of leaks and poorly kept secrets.
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According to all our asshats...
Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
What’s really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I don’t want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
Well said. I agree.
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According to all our asshats...
Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
I really wouldn't have said a thing if I knew how sensitive that topic is. My bad Eric.
If other teams can come to an agreement with coaches still in the playoffs, what’s preventing the Giants from doing so? It just seems ass backwards to interview candidates and then not make a choice until everybody on your list is taken.
If it’s Shurmur, better not let him go to Arizona. Why do I have a feeling it will Schwartz?
We are dicks to guys who parade around here with insider info, time and time again, when it's clear they're simply throwing shit out there to attract attention.
Do we really have to name names?
No one gives JonC, hitdog or others crap