The NYG should just hire Wilks already. Yes theyll look bad circling back to someone everyone assumed was out, but that PR hit will be gone come the Combine.
As I said last night, this is why I (and others) are wary of passing on info we hear to BBI. Because if sources are wrong or things change, you guys can be dicks about it.
are a dream job for any coach, especially one that works for Bill Belichick - who by the way loved working for our beloved Giants so much that he takes every opportunity he can to tell his assistant coaches around the camp fire how wonderful and complete his life was here.
...Like an old chieftain giving life lessons to his young tribesmen.
As I said last night, this is why I (and others) are wary of passing on info we hear to BBI. Because if sources are wrong or things change, you guys can be dicks about it.
Definitely not trying to be one about this. This entire process just seems so odd. Information is all over the place yet appears so similar. Given the track record of how the real deal is leaked out before the official word, yet again in this situation involving 3 HC vacancies there is much still unknown.
Yup, but the aggravation is not worth it. I broke my own rule last night and opening my mouth. Lesson learned.
I Agree. Everybody wants rumors but the second it doesnt happen than everyone is an idiot and asshole for posting fake news. People cant have it both ways
most people can appreciate the info you've hinted at without taking it as gospel. Three guys with an excellent track record here posted similar info - and that's appreciated as it helps to put pieces of the puzzle together.
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
Yup, but the aggravation is not worth it. I broke my own rule last night and opening my mouth. Lesson learned.
You do a great job Eric. You did nothing wrong. Just passed along what you heard. And you never confirmed McDaniels. Just that strong rumors the Giants have agreed on someone.
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
Makes too much sense, and again-- Titans don't do this this late if they didn't have their guy.
Looks like Shurmur is the guy assuming he doesn't go to AZ
All are just informed outsiders. They don't work for the Giants so nothing is a guarantee. And one of the best parts of this board is coming here to pick up info from "asshats" some (hitdog/Eric) have been more right than wrong.
Eric/Hitdog, i for one hope you keep sharing info . . .
RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
If Luck returns to form, McDaniels better win fast. He will be in a division with Jaguars, Colts, Texans.
RE: RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
I also appreciate any info that anyone would care to share.
It's common sense that sources inside an organization don't always have the last word. So if a poster passes on info that doesn't pan out, it's not his fault.
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
Have the Colts been tied to Shurmur at all in this process? If not, perhaps that changes now? Yes theyd have to wait until next week to interview, but I would think Shurmur would be intrigued to work with Luck, no?
In any event, I think it's pretty clear that it was McDaniels. The Mularkey firing would have a far lesser impact on the Giants' opening if the Giants wanted to hire Shurmur all along anyway, as McDaniels was always most closely linked with the Titans. (Yes, I understand it means that Shurmur could go to Arizona and leave the Giants with neither Shurmur nor McDaniels.)
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
Your response tells all that needs to be told. It's not about thicker skin,it's about understanding a situation,the flexibility of it & why people don't want to share info because of responses like yours!
RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
In an effort to start the updates early, I almost starting creating the coaching bio for Patricia last week and McDaniels last night. Glad I didn't start.
keep it coming. And - I absolutely can see a sneaky little shit like McDaniels agreeing to take the Giants job while having Tennessee on the other line. One of the reasons I didn't want any of the Belichick guys is they don't play by the normal rules. A "gentleman's agreement" means nothing to these guys - Bill, Mangini, Pioli, McDaniels - all cut from the same cloth. Winning is everything and the win for McDaniels was Tennessee. Eff him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
Your response tells all that needs to be told. It's not about thicker skin,it's about understanding a situation,the flexibility of it & why people don't want to share info because of responses like yours!
It might come as a surprise that I wasn't being serious with my comment. It actually was meant to be good-natured ball busting. Apparently when it comes to asshattery that stuff isn't cool. Lesson learned.
Think Titans may have made a mistake. But, if McD comes here...maybe not.
This would be a great landing spot for McDaniels. Don't need too much on offensive side of ball, maybe another wr and a 3rd down rb. Defense is pretty good - but need a dominant pass rusher.
Cost of living down here is really good and weather is good. One of fastest growing areas in the country.
have concerns about BB's assistants, this could be looked at as dodging a bullet.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
have concerns about BB's assistants, this could be looked at as dodging a bullet.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
But if so, why would he need to be a "sleeper" candidate? He's free and clear to be hired, and nobody is banging down his door. Unless, folks are intending "sleeper" to mean "fallback."
If we were looking at darkhorses, BB would be the top choice, and Saban would be a possibility too.
But I really don't know anything on those guys (other than hearing a lot of positives about Wilks), whereas, I've heard negative report after negative report on McD for several years from team support staff.
have concerns about BB's assistants, this could be looked at as dodging a bullet.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
I'm with you on McDaniels. I want Shurmur, but was fine with Patricia or Wilks.
In an effort to start the updates early, I almost starting creating the coaching bio for Patricia last week and McDaniels last night. Glad I didn't start.
Can you make one up for Tom Quinn, just to completely rule out that possibility
picking a head coach is a crap shoot. With the exception of Belichick theyre all gambles. Lets just hope are new coach pans out. Ridiculous getting all bent out of shape at this point.
between what the giants want and what another coach wants.
the draft is easy... giants want player A... he is available... giants get him.... in FA its also generally simple... if they want him they just offer more.
coaching, if a coach has multiple options does it matter as much what the giants want?
RE: RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
our brilliant owner who 1) at the Gettleman presser listed criteria that specifically excluded Wilks and 2) let it leak that Wilks was out of contention.
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
at minimum to satisfy the rooney rule. so it's still sort of interesting. technically, they can't be talking to mcdaniels right now. if their interviewing process is a sham, then we'll know it's a done deal.
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
I still believe we have not interviewed our next coach yet. 2 Coordinators of NE leaving turmoil in Patriot land. I believe the drama has not ended in NE or in our search for a new coach. Sit back and let it play out I will bet you we have a coach by Feb. 10th.
our brilliant owner who 1) at the Gettleman presser listed criteria that specifically excluded Wilks and 2) let it leak that Wilks was out of contention.
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
You are assuming that they leaked that info. It may not even be true. We also don't know whether the Giant made an offer to someone and whether that offer was declined.
Eric...you voiced your concerns at the start of this process
Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Maras fingerprints all over it.
If theres not something larger up their sleeve, which I highly doubt, its hard to figure out what theyre doing.
Giants make an official statement that he was out of the running or was it just the beat writers? I feel that Gettleman has been pretty quiet about this. Only rumors and speculation at this point.
I've been following the Giants a long time. We're talking about a situation here where ALL of the beat reporters were reporting the SAME thing. So if they all got it wrong or are making things up, I've never seen that before.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
directly after talk of extending him, points to having someone in place. But they haven't interviewed anyone. Wink, wink - sure. But I'd want to sit down with the guy and get a real feel for him first.
I've been following the Giants a long time. We're talking about a situation here where ALL of the beat reporters were reporting the SAME thing. So if they all got it wrong or are making things up, I've never seen that before.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
Didn't we all always complain that Accorsi (with everything) and Reese (with the draft) were way too loose with the info leaking from the Meadowlands?
I imagine that now with Gettleman the info is on a truly need to know basis, which is basically Gettleman, Mara and Tisch.
That's good isn't it?
RE: the titans still have to go thru the interview process
at minimum to satisfy the rooney rule. so it's still sort of interesting. technically, they can't be talking to mcdaniels right now. if their interviewing process is a sham, then we'll know it's a done deal.
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
Ding ding. Titans aren't immune to the Rooney rule.
Serious question: Is there an easier coaching job in the NFL than being O-co of the Pats?
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
Whats really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I dont want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
In an effort to start the updates early, I almost starting creating the coaching bio for Patricia last week and McDaniels last night. Glad I didn't start.
are you saying you hear differentyly now or the situation is fluid ?
Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Maras fingerprints all over it.
Why is it puzzling? Because of the lack of information? We're not supposed to be the ones 'in the know' until it's done.
Eric...you voiced your concerns at the start of this process
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Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Maras fingerprints all over it.
This has Gettleman's fingerprints all over it. Nothing but speculation has been given to the Media guys, a lot like he was in Carolina. Meanwhile, the past two decades in Giants land has been a series of leaks and poorly kept secrets.
RE: RE: RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
Serious question: Is there an easier coaching job in the NFL than being O-co of the Pats?
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
Whats really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I dont want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
Well said. I agree.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good thing we already have McDaniels wrapped up
Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
I really wouldn't have said a thing if I knew how sensitive that topic is. My bad Eric.
WIthout knowing the behind the scenes maneuvering, its hard
hard to comment on the process, but why does it seem like the Giants, Mara specifically, are being indecisive? This is in line with their actions over the last few years, when decisive actions needed to be taken but werent, hence this disaster of a season.
If other teams can come to an agreement with coaches still in the playoffs, whats preventing the Giants from doing so? It just seems ass backwards to interview candidates and then not make a choice until everybody on your list is taken.
If its Shurmur, better not let him go to Arizona. Why do I have a feeling it will Schwartz?
As I said last night, this is why I (and others) are wary of passing on info we hear to BBI. Because if sources are wrong or things change, you guys can be dicks about it.
We are dicks to guys who parade around here with insider info, time and time again, when it's clear they're simply throwing shit out there to attract attention.
wonder if mcdaniels changes his mind
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So Josh McDaniels goes from being a favorite in Indianapolis....to being a favorite in Tennessee. McDaniels will be getting an HC job.
Bad coach. Even Delanie Walker ripped him. They had more overall talent than the Jags and should have won that division.
Good, dodging a bullet there
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So Josh McDaniels goes from being a favorite in Indianapolis....to being a favorite in Tennessee. McDaniels will be getting an HC job.
So McDaniels is going to get hired as a HC? Way to go out on a limb there, Schefter.
We may be down to Shurmur (who may pick Arizona) or circling back to Wilks.
Um except for the crazy ownership that has been proven from the last 24 hours......colts and titans terrible ownership
The NYG should just hire Wilks already. Yes theyll look bad circling back to someone everyone assumed was out, but that PR hit will be gone come the Combine.
We may be down to Shurmur (who may pick Arizona) or circling back to Wilks.
Wait dont we have an agreement in place with our new HC?
Their defense sucks. He better get a good defensive coordinator.
Lets get Shurmur. Thats who I have wanted from day one.
Already was the head coach there
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We may be down to Shurmur (who may pick Arizona) or circling back to Wilks.
I think you're right. Titans don't pull back unless they have their guy. I'm guessing we're out on this one.
Agree 100%. This is too big of a move, too late into the process, to make if you didn't have something locked up.
Did the Colts interview Shurmur? If so, that will add more competition for his services
...Like an old chieftain giving life lessons to his young tribesmen.
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Their defense sucks. He better get a good defensive coordinator.
Lets get Shurmur. Thats who I have wanted from day one.
13th in defense, 23rd in offense. Not scoring enough was their problem.
Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
People are being assholes about last night but youre acting like a 5 year old with the Ill keep my mouth shut going forward.
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
To be fair-- it was said on here that there was a "hire" or at the very least something was "agreed upon"
No one gave a name, so it could have been Shurmur the entire team. But the indications that it was McDaniels were not very subtle....
So either it wasn't as "agreed upon" as it was said... or McDaniels is going back on a deal for another job...
Definitely not trying to be one about this. This entire process just seems so odd. Information is all over the place yet appears so similar. Given the track record of how the real deal is leaked out before the official word, yet again in this situation involving 3 HC vacancies there is much still unknown.
I Agree. Everybody wants rumors but the second it doesnt happen than everyone is an idiot and asshole for posting fake news. People cant have it both ways
Anyone giving shit is being ridiculous.
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
You aren't going to see some of the info out there that has been in the past.
Slamming people for educated guesses or passing along educated guesses is moronic.
You do a great job Eric. You did nothing wrong. Just passed along what you heard. And you never confirmed McDaniels. Just that strong rumors the Giants have agreed on someone.
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
Makes too much sense, and again-- Titans don't do this this late if they didn't have their guy.
Looks like Shurmur is the guy assuming he doesn't go to AZ
Eric/Hitdog, i for one hope you keep sharing info . . .
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
If Luck returns to form, McDaniels better win fast. He will be in a division with Jaguars, Colts, Texans.
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See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
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The belief was that #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels would prefer the #Titans over all coaching jobs. The health of Andrew Luck was an issue, as was the high ceiling with Marcus Mariota.
Have the Colts been tied to Shurmur at all in this process? If not, perhaps that changes now? Yes theyd have to wait until next week to interview, but I would think Shurmur would be intrigued to work with Luck, no?
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Good, dodging a bullet there
Absolutely right. NO NO AND HELL NO on McDaniels
As does Rappaport.
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According to all our asshats...
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
Your response tells all that needs to be told. It's not about thicker skin,it's about understanding a situation,the flexibility of it & why people don't want to share info because of responses like yours!
That is not what anyone said.
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According to all our asshats...
See that you've been on here since 2016. Comments like yours are why people who have inside info don't want to share it. We've had many "asshats" leave because of comments like yours. And,more often than not,the people aka "asshats" sharing have been right.Congrats on pissing off the guy who runs BBI, who tries to share info w/o infringing on any of his inside sources!
I've been told much worse on BBI before. Grow some thicker skin.
Your response tells all that needs to be told. It's not about thicker skin,it's about understanding a situation,the flexibility of it & why people don't want to share info because of responses like yours!
It might come as a surprise that I wasn't being serious with my comment. It actually was meant to be good-natured ball busting. Apparently when it comes to asshattery that stuff isn't cool. Lesson learned.
We won't know till Mara is holds a press conference.
Until then it's all conjecture.
Idk how people can get all that MAD about it, nothing is official till these guys are out of the playoffs anyway.
It does make for some interesting reading throughout the day, (since the Giants are not in the playoffs) and for that I am grateful.
This would be a great landing spot for McDaniels. Don't need too much on offensive side of ball, maybe another wr and a 3rd down rb. Defense is pretty good - but need a dominant pass rusher.
Cost of living down here is really good and weather is good. One of fastest growing areas in the country.
He declined.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
Who's on the top of your board?
Then Shurmur or Wilks.
If we were looking at darkhorses, BB would be the top choice, and Saban would be a possibility too.
But I really don't know anything on those guys (other than hearing a lot of positives about Wilks), whereas, I've heard negative report after negative report on McD for several years from team support staff.
Hell, based on everything I've seen and heard, McD will have a lot of issues being a leader. Fluff pieces about him learning from his mistakes might make good reads, but when he's still going around disrespecting team support staff and doesn't have the respect of the players, I'm not sure his list is really taking root.
Frankly, Patricia was my #1. McD would've been off my board.
I'm with you on McDaniels. I want Shurmur, but was fine with Patricia or Wilks.
Costco
It might have been Rapoport said he was linked to the OC of the Browns under Jackson...
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It might have been Rapoport said he was linked to the OC of the Browns under Jackson...
To become the OC that is.
As these other staffs shake up there is opportunity to get a jump on a great staff hires, guys like Grimm.
Theres no reason they cant bring in a veteran OC like a Kubiak or perhaps now Mularkey to offset Wilkss inexperience if that worries them.
We need a guy known as a leader and disciplinarian. Thats Wilks.
Can you make one up for Tom Quinn, just to completely rule out that possibility
the draft is easy... giants want player A... he is available... giants get him.... in FA its also generally simple... if they want him they just offer more.
coaching, if a coach has multiple options does it matter as much what the giants want?
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
I thought at the time and still think that #1 was all about Wilks. His name was heavily rumored and for whatever reason John wanted to quash it. He could easily have said something banal like "there's no formula" etc. like pretty much every other team looking for a coach.
And then it gets out he's not in contention. Mara surely didn't leak it but he's the boss. It's his job to protect against this stuff getting out
If I am Wilks I doubt I can take a job with an owner who pretty clearly doesn't want me. Especially when same owner 1) just canned a 2nd year coach who went 11-5 in his first year 2) sped up the firing of his coach and GM when they wanted to make a QB change for evaluation purposes even though he admits he signed off on the plan.
There's only 32 of these jobs - yes, I get it - but you're likely to get only one bite at the apple. You want it to work and you don't want to be on shaky ground with the owner from day one.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
I never understood why they leaked that Wilks was out of the first tier unless they believed they had one of the other three candidates pretty much locked up. Now unless Shurmur comes here, they have another PR mess on their hands.
You are assuming that they leaked that info. It may not even be true. We also don't know whether the Giant made an offer to someone and whether that offer was declined.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Maras fingerprints all over it.
If theres not something larger up their sleeve, which I highly doubt, its hard to figure out what theyre doing.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
But they all said, there were three "finalists."
I've been vocal about talking down the Doomsayers, but Shurmer seems vanilla, and Wilks seems too soon just like Mac was.
Still strikes me as bizarre that Wilks gets more support than McD around here.
It's not just the Leonards and Myers here saying this but guys like Stapleton and Schwartz who have covered the Giants forever.
Didn't we all always complain that Accorsi (with everything) and Reese (with the draft) were way too loose with the info leaking from the Meadowlands?
I imagine that now with Gettleman the info is on a truly need to know basis, which is basically Gettleman, Mara and Tisch.
That's good isn't it?
also, be interesting to see how the colts move now. you'd think they'd be moving fast if they believe mcd to tennessee is baked
Ding ding. Titans aren't immune to the Rooney rule.
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
Whats really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I dont want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
are you saying you hear differentyly now or the situation is fluid ?
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Maras fingerprints all over it.
Why is it puzzling? Because of the lack of information? We're not supposed to be the ones 'in the know' until it's done.
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Certainly Gettleman has been encouraging and dumping Ross.
However, this coaching search as you pointed out above has been puzzling to say the least. I hate to say it but it appears to have John Maras fingerprints all over it.
This has Gettleman's fingerprints all over it. Nothing but speculation has been given to the Media guys, a lot like he was in Carolina. Meanwhile, the past two decades in Giants land has been a series of leaks and poorly kept secrets.
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Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
Tom Brady is the GOAT, might be the most accurate NFL passer ever, makes all the throws in the playbook, reads defenses as well as anyone ever to play the game, film junkie, health nut, field general on game day, workaholic 365 days a year and demands respect and complete discipline and max effort from every single player.
Belichick and Earnie Adams are the best scouts in the business and you can believe they employ every method, leagal and not, to find and exploit every tendency and weakness of every team on the schedule.
Whats really left for McDaniels to do up there? What happened to the Pats when he left? What did McDaniels accomplish when he left?
Seriously, let the Hoodie princes go where they may. I dont want anything to do with any Pats coaches not named Bill Belichick.
Well said. I agree.
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According to all our asshats...
Understood Adam. I'll keep my mouth shut moving forward.
Now you see why it's not worth it Eric. Just sit back and watch the world burn.
I hope that BBI users read this exchange of information. The ball busting, as it was stated, should be reserved for other threads. I find it very worthwhile to read this information, whether it pans out or not. I hope that IF Eric decides to post non-confirmed information related to head coaches or the draft, that no one blasts him if its incorrect.
I really wouldn't have said a thing if I knew how sensitive that topic is. My bad Eric.
If other teams can come to an agreement with coaches still in the playoffs, whats preventing the Giants from doing so? It just seems ass backwards to interview candidates and then not make a choice until everybody on your list is taken.
If its Shurmur, better not let him go to Arizona. Why do I have a feeling it will Schwartz?
We are dicks to guys who parade around here with insider info, time and time again, when it's clear they're simply throwing shit out there to attract attention.
Do we really have to name names?
No one gives JonC, hitdog or others crap