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TyreeHelmet : 1/15/2018 12:18 pm
Why has there been zero interest from the Giants in college coaches? I understand the top guys who highly unlikely to leave- Harbaugh, Shaw, Saban etc. But what about the following?

Chris Petersen
Kyle Whittingham
James Franklin
Kirby Smart
Kirk Ferentz
Pat Fitzgerald
Mark Dantonio

Is it lack of interest from the Giants to target college guys? Is it lack of interest from the college coaches? I really thought the Giants opening would be the top job and highly desirable. This search has been uninspiring to say the least.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/15/2018 12:26 pm : link
I would tend to doubt Spagnuolo and Studesville were really serious candidates. (I get the the courtesy Spags interview but still scratching my head over the Studesville interview...they already had the Rooney Rule interview in Wilks).

If you don't think Spags and Studesville were very serious targets, then the Giants have really interviewed four candidates.

The process has been very transparent with the Giants issuing press releases after every interview. They have apparently stopped unless you are one of the "conspiracy theorists" who think someone like Belichick may be in play (unlikely).

On the surface, it does not look like a wide-ranging search, keeping in mind that the interview is only one part of the evaluation.
You list 4 big ten coaches  
Jon in NYC : 1/15/2018 12:29 pm : link
and you don't include the two coaches who won 10+ games each of the past two years. smh.
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FranknWeezer : 1/15/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13790142 Eric from BBI said:
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I would tend to doubt Spagnuolo and Studesville were really serious candidates. (I get the the courtesy Spags interview but still scratching my head over the Studesville interview...they already had the Rooney Rule interview in Wilks).

If you don't think Spags and Studesville were very serious targets, then the Giants have really interviewed four candidates.

The process has been very transparent with the Giants issuing press releases after every interview. They have apparently stopped unless you are one of the "conspiracy theorists" who think someone like Belichick may be in play (unlikely).

On the surface, it does not look like a wide-ranging search, keeping in mind that the interview is only one part of the evaluation.


I felt like the Studesville interview was Gettleman trying to give an old associate a boost. Helps ES' stock around the league for him to be getting HC interviews, plus gives him some experience in interviewing.
wouldn't you be hesitant of most college coaches  
Giantsfan79 : 1/15/2018 12:30 pm : link
many of the motivational tools to inspire 18-22 year olds don't work on multi-millionaires. It's a whole different ballgame.

Look at how Chip Kelly flamed out, and when was the last time a college coach moved to the NFL and succeeded as a head coach without working up through the assistant ranks [asking seriously, I truly can't think of the last one.]
RE: You list 4 big ten coaches  
TyreeHelmet : 1/15/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13790148 Jon in NYC said:
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and you don't include the two coaches who won 10+ games each of the past two years. smh.


Harbaugh and Meyer? Read my whole post. Of course I would want them to go after them. Along with Saban and Shaw. But its highly unlikely. The point of my post is why they aren't going after any college coaches.....
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I am Ninja : 1/15/2018 12:38 pm : link
Harbaugh.
It would  
Breeze_94 : 1/15/2018 12:40 pm : link
effect recruiting if their name was connected to NFL head coaching positions and there was uncertainty whether they were committed to the program.

Maybe the Giants have reached out to/interviewed some of these guys but have kept it under wraps. The Colts interviewed Rhule but it was kept pretty secretive until after the fact.
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Breeze_94 : 1/15/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13790182 Breeze_94 said:
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effect recruiting if their name was connected to NFL head coaching positions and there was uncertainty whether they were committed to the program.

Maybe the Giants have reached out to/interviewed some of these guys but have kept it under wraps. The Colts interviewed Rhule but it was kept pretty secretive until after the fact.


affect*
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Mike in NY : 1/15/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13790142 Eric from BBI said:
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I would tend to doubt Spagnuolo and Studesville were really serious candidates. (I get the the courtesy Spags interview but still scratching my head over the Studesville interview...they already had the Rooney Rule interview in Wilks).

If you don't think Spags and Studesville were very serious targets, then the Giants have really interviewed four candidates.

The process has been very transparent with the Giants issuing press releases after every interview. They have apparently stopped unless you are one of the "conspiracy theorists" who think someone like Belichick may be in play (unlikely).

On the surface, it does not look like a wide-ranging search, keeping in mind that the interview is only one part of the evaluation.


Maybe the top choice for HC liked him as OC so the Giants wanted to interview him not expecting that Denver would fire him
RE: wouldn't you be hesitant of most college coaches  
TyreeHelmet : 1/15/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13790151 Giantsfan79 said:
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many of the motivational tools to inspire 18-22 year olds don't work on multi-millionaires. It's a whole different ballgame.

Look at how Chip Kelly flamed out, and when was the last time a college coach moved to the NFL and succeeded as a head coach without working up through the assistant ranks [asking seriously, I truly can't think of the last one.]


Pete Carroll, Doug Marrone, Bill O'Brien, Jim Harbaugh just to name a few. Also, Chip Kelly flamed out hard but he still enjoyed success in the NFL. 26-21 overall with a playoff appearance. His demise could also be blamed on getting total control.

There's plenty of coordinators who have failed, yet teams still keep going that route. Why isn't the same applied for college head coaches?
RE: RE: wouldn't you be hesitant of most college coaches  
Mike in NY : 1/15/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13790203 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13790151 Giantsfan79 said:


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many of the motivational tools to inspire 18-22 year olds don't work on multi-millionaires. It's a whole different ballgame.

Look at how Chip Kelly flamed out, and when was the last time a college coach moved to the NFL and succeeded as a head coach without working up through the assistant ranks [asking seriously, I truly can't think of the last one.]



Pete Carroll, Doug Marrone, Bill O'Brien, Jim Harbaugh just to name a few. Also, Chip Kelly flamed out hard but he still enjoyed success in the NFL. 26-21 overall with a playoff appearance. His demise could also be blamed on getting total control.

There's plenty of coordinators who have failed, yet teams still keep going that route. Why isn't the same applied for college head coaches?


Carroll was a head coach in NFL before going to college ranks. Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone both were NFL assistants (a la Tom Coughlin). Jim Harbaugh was a longtime NFL QB.
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TyreeHelmet : 1/15/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13790214 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13790203 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 13790151 Giantsfan79 said:


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many of the motivational tools to inspire 18-22 year olds don't work on multi-millionaires. It's a whole different ballgame.

Look at how Chip Kelly flamed out, and when was the last time a college coach moved to the NFL and succeeded as a head coach without working up through the assistant ranks [asking seriously, I truly can't think of the last one.]



Pete Carroll, Doug Marrone, Bill O'Brien, Jim Harbaugh just to name a few. Also, Chip Kelly flamed out hard but he still enjoyed success in the NFL. 26-21 overall with a playoff appearance. His demise could also be blamed on getting total control.

There's plenty of coordinators who have failed, yet teams still keep going that route. Why isn't the same applied for college head coaches?



Carroll was a head coach in NFL before going to college ranks. Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone both were NFL assistants (a la Tom Coughlin). Jim Harbaugh was a longtime NFL QB.


Ferentz, Franklin and Smart all have NFL experience as do Shaw/ Saban/ Harbaugh.

Harbaugh  
Mike in NY : 1/15/2018 1:45 pm : link
His act wears on people and unless he mellows out like Coughlin did I do not see him taking the next step. He is also fiercely loyal to his coaching staff and not all of them were good. Kirby Smart has one season as a Safeties Coach for the Miami Dolphins. Hardly an NFL track record as an assistant unlike O'Brien and Marrone. James Franklin has a single year as a WR coach in Green Bay. Ferentz has 5 years as an OL coach. Before going to Syracuse, Doug Marrone had 3 years as a position coach and 2 as an OC. Bill O'Brien had 5 years in various roles with New England, the last as an OC
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Tom in NY : 1/15/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13790142 Eric from BBI said:
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I would tend to doubt Spagnuolo and Studesville were really serious candidates. (I get the the courtesy Spags interview but still scratching my head over the Studesville interview...they already had the Rooney Rule interview in Wilks).

If you don't think Spags and Studesville were very serious targets, then the Giants have really interviewed four candidates.

The process has been very transparent with the Giants issuing press releases after every interview. They have apparently stopped unless you are one of the "conspiracy theorists" who think someone like Belichick may be in play (unlikely).

On the surface, it does not look like a wide-ranging search, keeping in mind that the interview is only one part of the evaluation.


I wonder if they were looking at Studesville as a potential OC for Wilks, if they were going to go that way. If you recall, Studesville's interview was postponed due to weather and he was supposed to interview ahead of Wilks. Just trying to make sense of an illogical candidate.
Chris Peterson  
Earl the goat : 1/15/2018 6:40 pm : link
Former Boise St coach and current Washington Huskies coach would make a very good HC in the NFL one day
RE: RE: You list 4 big ten coaches  
Jon in NYC : 1/15/2018 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13790164 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13790148 Jon in NYC said:


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and you don't include the two coaches who won 10+ games each of the past two years. smh.



Harbaugh and Meyer? Read my whole post. Of course I would want them to go after them. Along with Saban and Shaw. But its highly unlikely. The point of my post is why they aren't going after any college coaches.....


NOPE

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