@JasonLaCanfora: McDaniels is a virtual lock to be Colts next head coach. Patricia going to Detroit. Shurmur heading to NYG. Leaves AZ/TEN needing HCs...
La Canfora is more wrong than he is right. Most likely Shurmur will be the next HC but he was the same guy yesterday who said Giants wouldn't break the rules and reach out to someone
IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
not a single one of these professional asshats knows what the heck is going on. When does that ever happen? There's going to be some major backpatting for whoever's final projection guess ends up being right.
IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
For better or worse, that would be my assumption, yes.
IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
For better or worse, that would be my assumption, yes.
Right. I like Spags a lot, love his pressers and attitude, but his unit did a brutal job last year. Maybe Shurmur gives him another chance, but I'd love to see a shake up here given how disappointing the D was with by-and-large the same personnel as a year prior
IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
For better or worse, that would be my assumption, yes.
Right. I like Spags a lot, love his pressers and attitude, but his unit did a brutal job last year. Maybe Shurmur gives him another chance, but I'd love to see a shake up here given how disappointing the D was with by-and-large the same personnel as a year prior
He did have street FA's at LB and CB. Just last year we were praising him for the #2 defense in the league and all of his creative blitz packages.
about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
Guess you wouldn't have been excited about Parcells and his one 3-8 season at Air Force in 1983.
The truth be known I wasn't. And after his first year fiasco (where he played Scott Brunner over Simms) I wanted him gone. He was a rarity who learned very quickly from his mistakes.
Want no part of McDaniels. On one hand, he's run some consistently good offenses in NE. There's also truth in that he's likely to have learned from his mistakes in Denver. He walked into a pretty bad situation in Den, including having an entrenched perennial loser at QB and a dismal defense.
That being said, if he hadn't gotten virtually every decision wrong, i would be more comfortable giving him a pass. But let's be honest, he was an abject disaster. Including chatter from former players that he went in a "shell" during his second season, unable or unwilling to fight in the face of adversity.
That's not what I want from a leader, irrespective of how much he may have grown in the decade since. That's a death knell.
forced him to play much more press/man and much less soft zone rush 3/4 drop DL's into coverage. That crap has to go. Even Blake Bortles can light up that tired old scheme. Vikings play a very aggressive man scheme most of the time. I hope Shurmur brings that with him if he's the new HC.
about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
You are really putting that much stock into his 2 bad years in Cleveland? You know who else had a bad couple years in Cleveland? Belichick and EVERY other coach over the the past 30 years.
about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
You are really putting that much stock into his 2 bad years in Cleveland? You know who else had a bad couple years in Cleveland? Belichick and EVERY other coach over the the past 30 years.
Exactly! And he was the most successful coach at CLE with the least amount of talent.
is saying its too late in the game for McDaniels to go to Titans.
Him saying Shurmur to G-Men is his assumption. He said it yesterday on the pre game show. No concrete evidence that it is done
Maybe we still get McDaniels if it was agreed upon
Hopefully not.
Not knowing much about any of these candidates, McDaniels is the one who rubbed me the wrong way. I liked the Patricia image, but who knows, and can't argue with this choice at all. Let's go...
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if his DC choice is someone who has spent some time in Minny under Zimmer. Top to bottom, I like how that team has been built/run the past few years. Not a bad model to follow.
With Shurmur is bringing a West Coast offense that has only been successful indoors, and not so much in Philly, to MetLife.
I dont like Eli in that offense. But Its not an offense that throws the ball downfield deep all the time. So I dont understand why he thinks playing outside is an issue with it
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
Just an opinion, I think this is Eli's last year with the Giants. Of course, you never know.
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
WCO doesn't require a QB to be mobile. It requires them to be accurate. Which Eli is not.
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
WCO doesn't require a QB to be mobile. It requires them to be accurate. Which Eli is not.
unless youre runnkng the fucking wishbone or an option offense, your QB needs to be accurate.
and Spags defense works for me down the line . Especially with DG picking the personnel. Very optimistic . ELI still has a few more years and the offense just needs a few pieces. 11/5 two years ago and a lot of fire power coming back back from injury. Bad year but we saw some big play players. Gettlteman is a top personnel evaluator especially for team needs. High draft picks and FA deals when used right can be game changers..
Did Bill Walsh coach? Or Andy Reid? Holmgren did ok with that offense in Green Bay.
Peterson is doing pretty good with it this season. But I'm trying to figure out why the weather would have anything to do with that offense. Its not a offense that looks to throw deep all the time.
This is getting insane!
Lets go Big Shurm!
Mike, Tenn fired their head coach this morning
I imagine he is going to have other suitors for offensive coordinator. There will likely be competition.
Need a good defensive coach now. Not Spags, we need a clean break and the D needs a fresh voice.
Jon I don't remember where I read it, but I read that's who Shurmur bring with him as the OC.
Yes. In fact everyone thinks DiFillipo would be his first choice for OC
Not sure why you would think that. :)
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I'd like him to be the OC.
Jon I don't remember where I read it, but I read that's who Shurmur bring with him as the OC.
Cool, I would be on board. I also wouldn't hate an OC with an OL background ala Mularkey. Bring some goddamn nasty back to the Giants.
i wonder who is DC....
According to 247Sports there is.
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Him saying Shurmur to G-Men is his assumption. He said it yesterday on the pre game show. No concrete evidence that it is done
Him saying Shurmur to G-Men is his assumption. He said it yesterday on the pre game show. No concrete evidence that it is done
Maybe we still get McDaniels if it was agreed upon
i wonder who is DC....
I get the feeling if Shurm is the guy, Spags stays on as DC
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IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
For better or worse, that would be my assumption, yes.
If true 😗
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IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
For better or worse, that would be my assumption, yes.
Right. I like Spags a lot, love his pressers and attitude, but his unit did a brutal job last year. Maybe Shurmur gives him another chance, but I'd love to see a shake up here given how disappointing the D was with by-and-large the same personnel as a year prior
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and apologies if already discussed ..
IF Shurmur is the next Giants HC, is Spags brought back to be the Defensive Coordinator? I'd be surprised if Spags wasn't brought back in this case, with their extensive history together (Spags hired Shurmur as his OC when he was with the Rams, coached together in Philly) . . .
For better or worse, that would be my assumption, yes.
Right. I like Spags a lot, love his pressers and attitude, but his unit did a brutal job last year. Maybe Shurmur gives him another chance, but I'd love to see a shake up here given how disappointing the D was with by-and-large the same personnel as a year prior
He did have street FA's at LB and CB. Just last year we were praising him for the #2 defense in the league and all of his creative blitz packages.
Guess you wouldn't have been excited about Parcells and his one 3-8 season at Air Force in 1983.
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about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
Guess you wouldn't have been excited about Parcells and his one 3-8 season at Air Force in 1983.
That being said, if he hadn't gotten virtually every decision wrong, i would be more comfortable giving him a pass. But let's be honest, he was an abject disaster. Including chatter from former players that he went in a "shell" during his second season, unable or unwilling to fight in the face of adversity.
That's not what I want from a leader, irrespective of how much he may have grown in the decade since. That's a death knell.
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about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
Guess you wouldn't have been excited about Parcells and his one 3-8 season at Air Force in 1983.
Haha well said. Imagine BBI and the internet in general if they existed back then? Or after Parcells 3-12-1 83 season?
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Him saying Shurmur to G-Men is his assumption. He said it yesterday on the pre game show. No concrete evidence that it is done
Sounds like fake news. Nothing here other than assumptions.
Considering your recent hot takes, I'll take the other side of the arguement.
You are really putting that much stock into his 2 bad years in Cleveland? You know who else had a bad couple years in Cleveland? Belichick and EVERY other coach over the the past 30 years.
Get in line or GTFO!
No he didn't. He did break the Gettleman to the Giants as the GM though.
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Pretty sure Lacanfora broke the Patricia to the Gmen crap last week.
No he didn't. He did break the Gettleman to the Giants as the GM though.
I could have broken that story the day Reese was canned.
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about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
You are really putting that much stock into his 2 bad years in Cleveland? You know who else had a bad couple years in Cleveland? Belichick and EVERY other coach over the the past 30 years.
Exactly! And he was the most successful coach at CLE with the least amount of talent.
Go look at the players he had there, what that franchise has done since he left, and let me know how much better you expected him to do there.
Dear twostepgiants,
please stop making threads. You're not good at it and you start too many of them.
If true, I could live with the selection. At least he's been a HC at the pro level and understands the infrastructure required.
Spot on. Have to let him select his staff, no half measures. If he happens to like a hold over coach, so be it, but don't force one on him.
Also, like one of the other posters said, I think his solidifies qb at 2. I'm intrigued by the prospects of Shurmur and Darnold/Rosen.
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Aww, are you getting sad that it's not Patricia but resisting the urge to whine about it?
How so?
I also think Fassel was a good coach - not elite, but good.
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is saying its too late in the game for McDaniels to go to Titans.
Him saying Shurmur to G-Men is his assumption. He said it yesterday on the pre game show. No concrete evidence that it is done
Maybe we still get McDaniels if it was agreed upon
Hopefully not.
Well, Fassel did get us to a SB so we could do worse.
Funny isn't it? They're all giving their best guesses while making the Giants look bad in the process.
He also built some tremendous staffs, far better than Coughlin ever could.
Virtual Lock is fairly certain terms. I hope it holds true.
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is saying its too late in the game for McDaniels to go to Titans.
Him saying Shurmur to G-Men is his assumption. He said it yesterday on the pre game show. No concrete evidence that it is done
Maybe we still get McDaniels if it was agreed upon
Hopefully not.
Not knowing much about any of these candidates, McDaniels is the one who rubbed me the wrong way. I liked the Patricia image, but who knows, and can't argue with this choice at all. Let's go...
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2:41 PM Jan 15, 2018
I dont like Eli in that offense. But Its not an offense that throws the ball downfield deep all the time. So I dont understand why he thinks playing outside is an issue with it
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
2013: 27.6 pts/g - 4th in NFL
2014: 29.6 pts/g - 3rd in NFL
2015: 23.6 pts/g - 13th in NFL
That's not successful?
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about any of the remaining HC choices. All of them have poor track records as HCs or no HC experience at all. Where is the next Bill Parcells?
Guess you wouldn't have been excited about Parcells and his one 3-8 season at Air Force in 1983.
+1
Shurmur was the OC for two top 5 offenses in PHI, I don't understand this comment.
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wont really be for Eli moving forward.
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
Just an opinion, I think this is Eli's last year with the Giants. Of course, you never know.
Something happen ... it went south
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wont really be for Eli moving forward.
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
WCO doesn't require a QB to be mobile. It requires them to be accurate. Which Eli is not.
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wont really be for Eli moving forward.
Why can't it be? He got a career year out of Bradford who is not a mobile guy in 2016. 20 TD, 5 Int, and 71% despite a horrible OL and learning the system on the fly.
WCO doesn't require a QB to be mobile. It requires them to be accurate. Which Eli is not.
unless youre runnkng the fucking wishbone or an option offense, your QB needs to be accurate.
Don t think I misheard him because it caught my attention. If I did and someone corrects me, I apologize.
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Peterson is doing pretty good with it this season. But I'm trying to figure out why the weather would have anything to do with that offense. Its not a offense that looks to throw deep all the time.
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Dear twostepgiants,
please stop making threads. You're not good at it and you start too many of them.
I endorse this message.
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Please see my thread DeFillipo Sucks- Resume Evaluated - ( New Window )
Dear twostepgiants,
please stop making threads. You're not good at it and you start too many of them.
I endorse this message.
I'm glad BBI stopped telling people to kill themselves and now simply asks them to stop making threads. We've come a long way.
Wah.
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Pretty sure Lacanfora broke the Patricia to the Gmen crap last week.
No he didn't. He did break the Gettleman to the Giants as the GM though.
I could have broken that story the day Reese was canned.
Perhaps you should have. Maybe some of the more idiotic and asinine posts re: hiring a new GM might never have made it to The Corner Forum.