Running the football will never go out of style...if we can build a truly dominating running game I see no need to spend that 2nd pick on a QB. Eli can still make some big time throws, can he still carry the entire team like he once did? I don't know but I think he is more solution than he is problem.
Here is what I would do to get this running game and offense in general going:
LT:Mike McGlinchey (1st RD PK)
LG:Ereck Flowers
C:Brett Jones
RG:D.J.Fluker
RT-Ja'Wuan James (FA signing)
RB Wayne Gallman
Paul Perkins
Nick Chubb (2nd RD PK)
Clearly I'm hoping for a trade back with a QB hungry team and some creativity in order to snag both Mike McGlinchey and Nick Chubb. We all know that the draft and trading up or down is not an exact science and there are no guarantees but my overall point is that with some smart free agent moves and some aggressive drafting worst to first is not out of the question
I would trade back and take him ...if the keep the #2 pick I would take Barkley
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)
QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams
Boohya!!!!
Height: 6-7. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.30.
Projected Round (2018): 1.
1/6/18: McGlinchey improved as a senior and is likely the top offensive tackle prospect for the 2018 NFL Draft. He has good athleticism on the edge with the feet to handle speed and good strength to sustain blocks. Unlike many finesse left tackles, McGlinchey is a quality run blocker who can get movement at the point of attack. He blocked well in 2017 and was a key cog in Notre Dame's potent rushing attack.
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)
QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams
Boohya!!!!
I just don't think Flowers is a tackle on either side I think he will be better at guard
Get him, upgrade the oline and this team is a playoff contender.
Maybe. Was good to see him get some snaps later in the year. His feet are Lt material
It would also be idiotic to take a QB at 2 just because you are drafting that high. I would much rather build the core/base of the team and search for a QB over the next few years. I don't think Webb is the guy either, but you could really solidify some weak spots by accumulating picks with a trade back. You would have another 1st next year (Jets/Broncos) and ammunition to get your QB if he's there.
A lot of us like Davis Webb, I've drank several glasses of the Dottino Webb Kool aid, and if he just needs 2 years seasoning it sounds perfect and I'd rather ride out Eli with his patient "Kerry Collins with better legs" protege..
That's what some of us are thinking atleast when we say let's not take a QB or trade down. We are thinking Webb with 2 more seasons behind Eli will turn into Aaron Rodgers..
It's a nice thing to think about.
It would also be idiotic to take a QB at 2 just because you are drafting that high. I would much rather build the core/base of the team and search for a QB over the next few years. I don't think Webb is the guy either, but you could really solidify some weak spots by accumulating picks with a trade back. You would have another 1st next year (Jets/Broncos) and ammunition to get your QB if he's there.
What if there is no qb worth a high pick next year (so far, doesn't look like there will be one), or what if a team at the top of the draft doesn't want to trade back for any number of picks the Giants might offer? Right now, there are a least two prospective franchise qbs at the top of THIS draft. If anything, trade up to secure the one the Giants want.
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I think Chad Wheeler could be the man
Maybe. Was good to see him get some snaps later in the year. His feet are Lt material
LT - Wheeler
LG - Flowers or new Hog Mollie
C - Jones (or draft pick)
RG - Resign Fluker
RT - Flowers or new hog mollie
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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.
A lot of us like Davis Webb, I've drank several glasses of the Dottino Webb Kool aid, and if he just needs 2 years seasoning it sounds perfect and I'd rather ride out Eli with his patient "Kerry Collins with better legs" protege..
That's what some of us are thinking atleast when we say let's not take a QB or trade down. We are thinking Webb with 2 more seasons behind Eli will turn into Aaron Rodgers..
It's a nice thing to think about.
Fair enough. Webb will not be Rodgers, more of a chance he ends up like Ryan Nassib (you know, the next great Giants qb). Also, I may not be remembering this correctly, but didn't the Giants run the first version of Kerry Collins out of town in order to procure the next truly great Giants qb? We're all ok passing on a top qb prospect for a ceiling of Kerry Collins?
Lax, I'm all but certain the Giants will like one of the QBs and select him at #2. Dismiss all this BS about Oline and RB as their 1st round pick.
They still have a top tier QB ..we can debate until we are both blue in the face whether he can carry the team on his back or not but to me he more than showed that you can still win with Eli at QB and I think that will be the case for a few more years
The hardest position to fill is the QB
There are two types of teams, those that have a QB and those looking for a QB
For those who believe that a QB should not be selected with the second pick you should look at the success rate of QBs in the first 3 picks, vs the first round, and then later in the draft
The chances of selecting a franchise QB are significantly better at the top of the draft
The odds go up even more when there are multiple QBs selected in the first round of a draft
This draft if nothing else has a plethora of quality QBs
It is possible that 6 could be drafted in the first round
The Giants are ideally situated to select Their next great QB
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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.
They still have a top tier QB ..we can debate until we are both blue in the face whether he can carry the team on his back or not but to me he more than showed that you can still win with Eli at QB and I think that will be the case for a few more years
Eli can still make throws. But you are talking about a maximum 2 years left with him. Seems shortsighted to plan on 2 years over potentially the next 10-15.
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)
QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams
Boohya!!!!
I wouldn't mind that scenario. Go defense in the 3rd round.
Run the ball, smash the other team on defense, and a QB will eventually show up.
Too many current examples to even list them.
That said, I wouldn't complain if they did draft a QB with the second pick, but with the idea that he is going to sit and learn behind Eli for a couple of seasons. Darnold would be my guy because I don't want anything to do with Rosen. Or they could roll the bones on Mayfield and let him sit for a couple years.
But no matter what they do, the offensive tackle position needs a complete rebuild, probably with a combination of veteran free agents and draftees as a starting point for everything else that needs to be done. I'm not sold on Wheeler yet either, but he should be given a chance to compete for a job.
If the QB you absolutely wanted is there at #2, you take him...if he isn't, because Cleveland took him, you go to plan B.......
This OL is going to be a 2-3 year build.....I don't think Flowers is even here after next season....or Eli either, if indeed he is here this coming season....
Everyone wants a quick fix.....I want a GM who finally has a plan for the future.....I can survive a few more bad years, if it produces lasting results....I don't want another roller coaster, 2016-2017 season of false hope...
If the QB you absolutely wanted is there at #2, you take him...if he isn't, because Cleveland took him, you go to plan B.......
Plan B may be another QB. A lot of posters will be pissed off because the Giants will correctly take a QB at #2. Bet on it.
You have to make decisions that serve the franchise well now and also in the future, especially where the draft is concerned.
Move.
And if the new QB crashes and burns, we’ll be picking top 10 in a few years again.. and we take a shot at another one. That’s a testament to how important the QB is, actually. A bust almost guarantees another shot at a top 10 pick QB in the next few years.
If Eli were 35, I’d be tempted to retool the OL and RB and make another run at it 2018-21. But he’s not... and he was a part of 12 losses this year (I know mostly not his fault.. but good QBs don’t lose 12 games).
Time to find our next franchise QB.
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)
QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams
Boohya!!!!
Sign me up. I'd take Sony Michel later on, too.
Expanding on that point though, here's a pretty relevant point. In the past five years, six offensive linemen have gone in the top 5 (all tackles).
Scherff - 2015
Robinson - 2014
Fisher, Joeckel, Johnson 2013
Kalil - 2012
Robinson is washout.
Joeckel is a washout.
Kalil was let go for an upgrade.
Fisher is an okay starter.
Scherff switched to guard.
Lane Johnson is a top player.
Not at all what you need from a top 5 pick. Misses like that can send a team backwards four years.