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Build a dominant running game and QB can wait another 3 yrs

NYBEN1963 : 1/15/2018 1:18 pm
Running the football will never go out of style...if we can build a truly dominating running game I see no need to spend that 2nd pick on a QB. Eli can still make some big time throws, can he still carry the entire team like he once did? I don't know but I think he is more solution than he is problem.

Here is what I would do to get this running game and offense in general going:
LT:Mike McGlinchey (1st RD PK)
LG:Ereck Flowers
C:Brett Jones
RG:D.J.Fluker
RT-Ja'Wuan James (FA signing)

RB Wayne Gallman
Paul Perkins
Nick Chubb (2nd RD PK)

Clearly I'm hoping for a trade back with a QB hungry team and some creativity in order to snag both Mike McGlinchey and Nick Chubb. We all know that the draft and trading up or down is not an exact science and there are no guarantees but my overall point is that with some smart free agent moves and some aggressive drafting worst to first is not out of the question
McGlinchey  
section125 : 1/15/2018 1:22 pm : link
is slow afoot. Plain as day. He is RT material.
If the use  
cokeduplt : 1/15/2018 1:26 pm : link
The number 2 pick on McGlinchey I will need a new TV! He’s must likely a RT the guy is slow
RE: If the use  
NYBEN1963 : 1/15/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13790308 cokeduplt said:
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The number 2 pick on McGlinchey I will need a new TV! He’s must likely a RT the guy is slow


I would trade back and take him ...if the keep the #2 pick I would take Barkley
How about this  
superspynyg : 1/15/2018 1:30 pm : link
LT Solder FA
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)

QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams

Boohya!!!!
From Walter Football:  
NYBEN1963 : 1/15/2018 1:31 pm : link
Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
Height: 6-7. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.30.
Projected Round (2018): 1.
1/6/18: McGlinchey improved as a senior and is likely the top offensive tackle prospect for the 2018 NFL Draft. He has good athleticism on the edge with the feet to handle speed and good strength to sustain blocks. Unlike many finesse left tackles, McGlinchey is a quality run blocker who can get movement at the point of attack. He blocked well in 2017 and was a key cog in Notre Dame's potent rushing attack.
NOPE. Pick the QB while you are at the top of the draft.  
Heisenberg : 1/15/2018 1:35 pm : link
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We may already have our LT  
Beer Man : 1/15/2018 1:35 pm : link
I think Chad Wheeler could be the man
RE: How about this  
NYBEN1963 : 1/15/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13790319 superspynyg said:
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LT Solder FA
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)

QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams

Boohya!!!!


I just don't think Flowers is a tackle on either side I think he will be better at guard
You don't  
Zepp : 1/15/2018 1:38 pm : link
Draft an offensive lineman #2. You just don't. You have to be good enough to find them throughout the draft. But your theory is sound. What I would change is draft Barkley because the RBs we have are backups at best. Barkley gives you that homerun power. He's been described as Alvin Kamara in a bigger body. He's a guaranteed special player.

Get him, upgrade the oline and this team is a playoff contender.
RE: We may already have our LT  
DennyInDenville : 1/15/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13790334 Beer Man said:
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I think Chad Wheeler could be the man

Maybe. Was good to see him get some snaps later in the year. His feet are Lt material
Gallman is a great #2  
DennyInDenville : 1/15/2018 1:40 pm : link
Agreed Barkley is the guy if we go with the OPs strategy or defense at 2
Sounds like a Great Recipe  
lax counsel : 1/15/2018 1:48 pm : link
For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.
Totally on board with the philosophy  
GuzzaBlue : 1/15/2018 1:49 pm : link
but McGlinchey does not seem like good value 2nd pick at this point in the process. As some posters stated, he has trouble with speed rushers and most likely a RT. I would trade back and get Nelson and try to sign Soldier in this scenario. Or one of the other LT's and Norwell in FA. 1 starter from the draft and one from FA will help a ton especially if Flowers hits at RG or RT.

It would also be idiotic to take a QB at 2 just because you are drafting that high. I would much rather build the core/base of the team and search for a QB over the next few years. I don't think Webb is the guy either, but you could really solidify some weak spots by accumulating picks with a trade back. You would have another 1st next year (Jets/Broncos) and ammunition to get your QB if he's there.
RE: Sounds like a Great Recipe  
DennyInDenville : 1/15/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13790366 lax counsel said:
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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.

A lot of us like Davis Webb, I've drank several glasses of the Dottino Webb Kool aid, and if he just needs 2 years seasoning it sounds perfect and I'd rather ride out Eli with his patient "Kerry Collins with better legs" protege..

That's what some of us are thinking atleast when we say let's not take a QB or trade down. We are thinking Webb with 2 more seasons behind Eli will turn into Aaron Rodgers..

It's a nice thing to think about.
RE: Totally on board with the philosophy  
lax counsel : 1/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13790370 GuzzaBlue said:
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but McGlinchey does not seem like good value 2nd pick at this point in the process. As some posters stated, he has trouble with speed rushers and most likely a RT. I would trade back and get Nelson and try to sign Soldier in this scenario. Or one of the other LT's and Norwell in FA. 1 starter from the draft and one from FA will help a ton especially if Flowers hits at RG or RT.

It would also be idiotic to take a QB at 2 just because you are drafting that high. I would much rather build the core/base of the team and search for a QB over the next few years. I don't think Webb is the guy either, but you could really solidify some weak spots by accumulating picks with a trade back. You would have another 1st next year (Jets/Broncos) and ammunition to get your QB if he's there.


What if there is no qb worth a high pick next year (so far, doesn't look like there will be one), or what if a team at the top of the draft doesn't want to trade back for any number of picks the Giants might offer? Right now, there are a least two prospective franchise qbs at the top of THIS draft. If anything, trade up to secure the one the Giants want.
RE: RE: We may already have our LT  
Beer Man : 1/15/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13790344 DennyInDenville said:
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In comment 13790334 Beer Man said:


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I think Chad Wheeler could be the man


Maybe. Was good to see him get some snaps later in the year. His feet are Lt material
I would rather see the team go:
LT - Wheeler
LG - Flowers or new Hog Mollie
C - Jones (or draft pick)
RG - Resign Fluker
RT - Flowers or new hog mollie
RE: RE: Sounds like a Great Recipe  
lax counsel : 1/15/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13790380 DennyInDenville said:
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In comment 13790366 lax counsel said:


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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.


A lot of us like Davis Webb, I've drank several glasses of the Dottino Webb Kool aid, and if he just needs 2 years seasoning it sounds perfect and I'd rather ride out Eli with his patient "Kerry Collins with better legs" protege..

That's what some of us are thinking atleast when we say let's not take a QB or trade down. We are thinking Webb with 2 more seasons behind Eli will turn into Aaron Rodgers..

It's a nice thing to think about.


Fair enough. Webb will not be Rodgers, more of a chance he ends up like Ryan Nassib (you know, the next great Giants qb). Also, I may not be remembering this correctly, but didn't the Giants run the first version of Kerry Collins out of town in order to procure the next truly great Giants qb? We're all ok passing on a top qb prospect for a ceiling of Kerry Collins?
RE: Sounds like a Great Recipe  
mrvax : 1/15/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13790366 lax counsel said:
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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.


Lax, I'm all but certain the Giants will like one of the QBs and select him at #2. Dismiss all this BS about Oline and RB as their 1st round pick.
Not  
NYBEN1963 : 1/15/2018 2:04 pm : link
sure that I made it clear but I would trade back and try to pick up some picks and take the ND tackle later ... possibly 6-8
RE: Sounds like a Great Recipe  
NYBEN1963 : 1/15/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13790366 lax counsel said:
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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.


They still have a top tier QB ..we can debate until we are both blue in the face whether he can carry the team on his back or not but to me he more than showed that you can still win with Eli at QB and I think that will be the case for a few more years
I like McGlinchey more than many other people do,  
yatqb : 1/15/2018 2:27 pm : link
but I see him as about a #20 pick.
QB in draft  
Archer : 1/15/2018 2:28 pm : link
If one of the QBs is a potential franchise QB the Giants should and will take him

The hardest position to fill is the QB
There are two types of teams, those that have a QB and those looking for a QB

For those who believe that a QB should not be selected with the second pick you should look at the success rate of QBs in the first 3 picks, vs the first round, and then later in the draft

The chances of selecting a franchise QB are significantly better at the top of the draft
The odds go up even more when there are multiple QBs selected in the first round of a draft
This draft if nothing else has a plethora of quality QBs
It is possible that 6 could be drafted in the first round

The Giants are ideally situated to select Their next great QB
RE: RE: Sounds like a Great Recipe  
lax counsel : 1/15/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13790427 NYBEN1963 said:
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In comment 13790366 lax counsel said:


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For enduring several 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons, while being in a continuous search for a top qb. It's amazing how many posters think it's just that easy to find a top, that you can throw away a top draft choice. Take the qb, maybe it doesn't work out, but if you don't take one, you definitely will not have a qb for several seasons.



They still have a top tier QB ..we can debate until we are both blue in the face whether he can carry the team on his back or not but to me he more than showed that you can still win with Eli at QB and I think that will be the case for a few more years


Eli can still make throws. But you are talking about a maximum 2 years left with him. Seems shortsighted to plan on 2 years over potentially the next 10-15.
RE: How about this  
Rjanyg : 1/15/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13790319 superspynyg said:
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LT Solder FA
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)

QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams

Boohya!!!!


I wouldn't mind that scenario. Go defense in the 3rd round.
Agree Completely  
Jim in NH : 1/15/2018 3:14 pm : link
The "franchise QB" is a myth.

Run the ball, smash the other team on defense, and a QB will eventually show up.

Too many current examples to even list them.
Also on board with the philosophy but not with McGlinchey  
Red Dog : 1/15/2018 3:34 pm : link
Primarily because Eli has gas left in the tank and I am not really sold on any of the QBs in this draft. And I would try very hard to trade down to get more picks in that scenario.

That said, I wouldn't complain if they did draft a QB with the second pick, but with the idea that he is going to sit and learn behind Eli for a couple of seasons. Darnold would be my guy because I don't want anything to do with Rosen. Or they could roll the bones on Mayfield and let him sit for a couple years.

But no matter what they do, the offensive tackle position needs a complete rebuild, probably with a combination of veteran free agents and draftees as a starting point for everything else that needs to be done. I'm not sold on Wheeler yet either, but he should be given a chance to compete for a job.
You don't take a qb just for the sake  
Doomster : 1/15/2018 4:58 pm : link
of taking one....

If the QB you absolutely wanted is there at #2, you take him...if he isn't, because Cleveland took him, you go to plan B.......

This OL is going to be a 2-3 year build.....I don't think Flowers is even here after next season....or Eli either, if indeed he is here this coming season....

Everyone wants a quick fix.....I want a GM who finally has a plan for the future.....I can survive a few more bad years, if it produces lasting results....I don't want another roller coaster, 2016-2017 season of false hope...
RE: You don't take a qb just for the sake  
mrvax : 1/15/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13791005 Doomster said:
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of taking one....

If the QB you absolutely wanted is there at #2, you take him...if he isn't, because Cleveland took him, you go to plan B.......


Plan B may be another QB. A lot of posters will be pissed off because the Giants will correctly take a QB at #2. Bet on it.
They're hiring a HC who builds QBs and offenses  
JonC : 1/15/2018 5:04 pm : link
If a QB they covet is there at #2, I fully expect them to pick the QB.

You have to make decisions that serve the franchise well now and also in the future, especially where the draft is concerned.
I'd like to sign Solder and move Flowers to the right side with  
Ira : 1/15/2018 5:05 pm : link
Wheeler as the back up tackle. On the inside I'd like to draft Price in the second round, re-sign Pugh and have Fluker and Jones compete for the third spot. At running back - Barkley, Guice or Michel starting with Darkwa and Gallman as backups.
What’s the infatuation  
NikkiMac : 1/15/2018 6:17 pm : link
With Fluker he’s a bust we can do better his pass blocking is atrocious and I don’t think Shurmur is a power running coach he’s dink and dunk with some long ball
I like picking an OL player  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2018 6:56 pm : link
but I am not sure I'd take McGlinchey. I like Williams (Texas), Brown (OU), or Nelson (ND G) better. I think I would grab Barkley and then hope one of the OL players falls to us in Rd #2. There are a number of good OL players in this draft.
absolutely not  
UESBLUE : 1/15/2018 7:19 pm : link
this is kicking the can down the road. Get your stud QB now while you can. Besides the Shurmur hire proves they are going that way.
Why on earth is Chad Wheeler getting written into any lineup spot?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/15/2018 7:23 pm : link
Let him compete for something but the goal should be to get better at every single line position and nobody should have a guaranteed look at a role next year.
.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/15/2018 7:26 pm : link
the  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/15/2018 7:48 pm : link
the Rams and Vikings rebuilt offensive lines in one off season which was universally thought of as weak in talent on the offensive line, yet so many are saying hold off on a quarterback that we must select a tackle. I feel like its shear lunacy.
RE: .  
Sarcastic Sam : 1/15/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13791224 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Move.
Get the QB this year  
TD : 1/15/2018 9:11 pm : link
There are 4-6 first round grade QBs. Pick the one you have the most conviction about. Don’t wind up in QB hell for the next 5-10 years.

And if the new QB crashes and burns, we’ll be picking top 10 in a few years again.. and we take a shot at another one. That’s a testament to how important the QB is, actually. A bust almost guarantees another shot at a top 10 pick QB in the next few years.

If Eli were 35, I’d be tempted to retool the OL and RB and make another run at it 2018-21. But he’s not... and he was a part of 12 losses this year (I know mostly not his fault.. but good QBs don’t lose 12 games).

Time to find our next franchise QB.
RE: How about this  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 1/15/2018 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13790319 superspynyg said:
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LT Solder FA
LG Norwell FA
C Price (18' rd 2)
RG Fluker
RT Flowers/Wheeler (camp battle)

QB Eli, Davis
RB Barkley (18' Rd 1) Gallman, Perkins/Darkwa
wrs OBJ, Sheppard, Randolph, Drafted player
TE Engram, Ellison, Adams

Boohya!!!!


Sign me up. I'd take Sony Michel later on, too.
I love how zepp posts on literally every thread about Barkley  
bhill410 : 1/16/2018 8:46 am : link
And then tells people you don’t draft offensive linemen 2 overall. It’s as though he is ignorant to the fact people that do this for a living routinely draft offensive linemen top 5 in drafts and it is top 5 running backs that are rare. Smh
RE: I love how zepp posts on literally every thread about Barkley  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13791608 bhill410 said:
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And then tells people you don’t draft offensive linemen 2 overall. It’s as though he is ignorant to the fact people that do this for a living routinely draft offensive linemen top 5 in drafts and it is top 5 running backs that are rare. Smh


Expanding on that point though, here's a pretty relevant point. In the past five years, six offensive linemen have gone in the top 5 (all tackles).

Scherff - 2015
Robinson - 2014
Fisher, Joeckel, Johnson 2013
Kalil - 2012

Robinson is washout.
Joeckel is a washout.
Kalil was let go for an upgrade.
Fisher is an okay starter.
Scherff switched to guard.
Lane Johnson is a top player.

Not at all what you need from a top 5 pick. Misses like that can send a team backwards four years.





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