Only negative is Cleveland and you can easily spin that as positive. He has had offensive success everywhere he’s been. He’s a QB whisperer. He has Case Keenum playing out of his mind behind a revamped OL. He is reportedly a calm collected coach who players gravitate towards. There is a lot to like here.
I was all in on Wilks because I thought he was a leader. If Schurmur checks that block then I’m all for the hire.
For all the bitching about not getting their guy.. Â
something Belicheck is lauded for. He has HC experience so he has been through the first round of painful learning. He will be drafting a QB to groom to mold and develop. He has coached in the NFC East. This is exciting stuff!
Top choice after
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all the other top choices went elsewhere?
What other top choices?? Wasn't Wilks supposedly a top choice? Where the fuck did he go?
As early as 10 days ago, Shurmur was listed higher than even McDaniels on the radar.
The way i look at it only possibly Patricia was a guy the Giants might have wanted that isn't here. This whole process has been a clusterfuck - not on the giants side, but on the fans take's.
and I believe early in the process one of the beat writers claimed they were looking to hire an offensive coach to fix the offense. I think McDaniels and Shurmur were the choices all along. Which one did they covet the most... we'll probably never know they might have been pretty even.
lol - former Giants WR James Jones doesnt like Shurmur (NFLN) Â
and I believe early in the process one of the beat writers claimed they were looking to hire an offensive coach to fix the offense. I think McDaniels and Shurmur were the choices all along. Which one did they covet the most... we'll probably never know they might have been pretty even.
Not just that but having a track record with developing a QB since that is near the top of the list to take us into the future.
RE: lol - former Giants WR James Jones doesnt like Shurmur (NFLN) Â
for Shurmur is whether he's enough of a leader to take control of OBJ and fix this locker room. There's litte doubt that he'll do a good job with the #2 pick but we need a strong coach who will bring this team together. As I said earlier in the thread I definitely have my reservations about whether Shurmur is the leader of men type. Really hope he is.
LOL @ "Former NYG reciever" in front of James Jones.. Â
for Shurmur is whether he's enough of a leader to take control of OBJ and fix this locker room. There's litte doubt that he'll do a good job with the #2 pick but we need a strong coach who will bring this team together. As I said earlier in the thread I definitely have my reservations about whether Shurmur is the leader of men type. Really hope he is.
LOL, this team has about 500 bigger problems than Beckham's behavior right now.
I hope he is totally onboard with "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer".
I think there's been a terrible disconnect over the past 5 years between GM and HC in regards to personnel.
I don't think Reese provided Coughlin with the players Coughlin wanted. Coughlin was a "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer" kind of guy, and the Giants ended up with personnel that couldn't achieve those things.
McAdoo just sucked, but I don't think he got the players he wanted either.
for Shurmur is whether he's enough of a leader to take control of OBJ and fix this locker room. There's litte doubt that he'll do a good job with the #2 pick but we need a strong coach who will bring this team together. As I said earlier in the thread I definitely have my reservations about whether Shurmur is the leader of men type. Really hope he is.
LOL, this team has about 500 bigger problems than Beckham's behavior right now.
That's not what I said. We need a coach who can control OBJ (McAdoo surely could not) AND fix this locker room. Fixing this broken locker room and leading these men is probably the #1 thing that needs fixing with this team right now.
RE: RE: Shurmur has shown adapatability across multiple fronts Â
something Belicheck is lauded for. He has HC experience so he has been through the first round of painful learning. He will be drafting a QB to groom to mold and develop. He has coached in the NFC East. This is exciting stuff!
This is huge in my book.
Also I think Webb gets a long look from Shurmer.
This. He's had success running Chip Kelly's uptempo horizontal style, as well as a ground and pound power spread in Minnesota. One of the few coaches to successfully marry some of the newer college trends with the pro game. And he actually adapts his offense to the talent he has on the roster, putting his QBs in the best position to succeed, a wild concept around these parts lately.
The fact that McAdoo wanted to cut Hart every week but Reese Â
wouldn't go for it certainly helped to create the shitty locker room we had last year. That WILL NOT happen with DG. Guys who can't be team players will be gone, imho. That helps any coach.
So is this the DOOMS DAY Scenario that so many on here Â
Anybody who knows offensive FB will have a lot to compare notes with in ELI. Smart move would be too keep Spags, who he knows. Talented football guy all the way,. Grew up in the game. Let DG do the player selection in the draft and FA and we could be back quick. MO
i like Shurm...think he is going to be good for us. i now expect a QB at 2. unless he wants to ride eli and take barkley at 2 to improve tge run game, he knows it has been huge for him this year in minny
If he's instrumental in drafting either Barkley or Josh Allen Â
for Shurmur is whether he's enough of a leader to take control of OBJ and fix this locker room. There's litte doubt that he'll do a good job with the #2 pick but we need a strong coach who will bring this team together. As I said earlier in the thread I definitely have my reservations about whether Shurmur is the leader of men type. Really hope he is.
LOL, this team has about 500 bigger problems than Beckham's behavior right now.
That's not what I said. We need a coach who can control OBJ (McAdoo surely could not) AND fix this locker room. Fixing this broken locker room and leading these men is probably the #1 thing that needs fixing with this team right now.
Winning fixes locker rooms. They were all good soldiers at 11-5
No disputing that. Still, this smells a lot like yet another safety blanket pick by John Mara.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
I don’t like the Andy Reid connection. I don’t like that Philly went with Pederson over him. I don’t like speculation that this was done in any way with Eli at the forefront of the thought process.
We are also at least 1 week out from being able to build a staff that hopefully Tom Quinn and Spagnuolo have no part of.
No disputing that. Still, this smells a lot like yet another safety blanket pick by John Mara.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
I don’t like the Andy Reid connection. I don’t like that Philly went with Pederson over him. I don’t like speculation that this was done in any way with Eli at the forefront of the thought process.
We are also at least 1 week out from being able to build a staff that hopefully Tom Quinn and Spagnuolo have no part of.
you contradict yourself. its either a risky pick or a safe pick....
thatbbeing said i think its a good choice based on whats out there
No disputing that. Still, this smells a lot like yet another safety blanket pick by John Mara.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
Which do you prefer - failed stint as a coach or zero head coaching experience? Because those were our options.
No disputing that. Still, this smells a lot like yet another safety blanket pick by John Mara.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
Which do you prefer - failed stint as a coach or zero head coaching experience? Because those were our options.
none..most that want to complain dont have an alternative.
Again, look at the players Shurmur had in Cleveland
How much better did you expect his record to be with Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy as his QB's?
Another note on his Cleveland stint. His first season was the lockout shortened season. His second season ended with an ownership change. If there's a no-win situation....that's it.
bitching about coaches that failed in Cleveland. The list of them is long and there’s just no way it’s all on them. It’s a snake bit franchise that shouldnt be used as a barometer of how well someone will do elsewhere.
So yeah, ignore turning a Vikings offense into a highly efficient unit being run effectively by a journeyman QB with limited talent, and just focus on the Browns, because that makes sense.
Mara was spooked by McAdoo. I don’t believe he went into this search with an open mind in that respect.
I mean, this is all conjecture, but so what? Are you saying that Mara didn't want to take a risk with someone like Wilks due to McAdoo? Or is there another hidden diamond that we're missing? He's the safe pick, who's the unsafe pick?
Mara was spooked by McAdoo. I don’t believe he went into this search with an open mind in that respect.
Or maybe they were just much more impressed with Shurmur's interview and resume than Wilks'.
I'd also point out that it's not really fair to pin this hire on Mara being "spooked" and making the suggestion that he didn't have an open mind about this hire only to turn around and not have an open mind about it as a fan.
I was all in on Wilks because I thought he was a leader. If Schurmur checks that block then I’m all for the hire.
This is huge in my book.
Also I think Webb gets a long look from Shurmer.
Nah I think he was Mara's top choice all along. Gettleman who knows, but this is exactly the type of hire Mara alluded to in his pressers.
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all the other top choices went elsewhere?
What other top choices?? Wasn't Wilks supposedly a top choice? Where the fuck did he go?
As early as 10 days ago, Shurmur was listed higher than even McDaniels on the radar.
The way i look at it only possibly Patricia was a guy the Giants might have wanted that isn't here. This whole process has been a clusterfuck - not on the giants side, but on the fans take's.
Not just that but having a track record with developing a QB since that is near the top of the list to take us into the future.
mike zimmer is a defensive coach...lol
da fuq is he talking about
Michigan State (1990–1997)
Tight ends, offensive line & special teams coach
Stanford (1998)
Offensive line coach
Philadelphia Eagles (1999–2001)
Tight ends & offensive line coach
LOL, this team has about 500 bigger problems than Beckham's behavior right now.
The similarities are, at hiring they were both hot QB whisperining coordinators, and around the same age.
I think there's been a terrible disconnect over the past 5 years between GM and HC in regards to personnel.
I don't think Reese provided Coughlin with the players Coughlin wanted. Coughlin was a "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer" kind of guy, and the Giants ended up with personnel that couldn't achieve those things.
McAdoo just sucked, but I don't think he got the players he wanted either.
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for Shurmur is whether he's enough of a leader to take control of OBJ and fix this locker room. There's litte doubt that he'll do a good job with the #2 pick but we need a strong coach who will bring this team together. As I said earlier in the thread I definitely have my reservations about whether Shurmur is the leader of men type. Really hope he is.
LOL, this team has about 500 bigger problems than Beckham's behavior right now.
That's not what I said. We need a coach who can control OBJ (McAdoo surely could not) AND fix this locker room. Fixing this broken locker room and leading these men is probably the #1 thing that needs fixing with this team right now.
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something Belicheck is lauded for. He has HC experience so he has been through the first round of painful learning. He will be drafting a QB to groom to mold and develop. He has coached in the NFC East. This is exciting stuff!
This is huge in my book.
Also I think Webb gets a long look from Shurmer.
This. He's had success running Chip Kelly's uptempo horizontal style, as well as a ground and pound power spread in Minnesota. One of the few coaches to successfully marry some of the newer college trends with the pro game. And he actually adapts his offense to the talent he has on the roster, putting his QBs in the best position to succeed, a wild concept around these parts lately.
DG wanted wilks or patricia.
i like Shurm...think he is going to be good for us. i now expect a QB at 2. unless he wants to ride eli and take barkley at 2 to improve tge run game, he knows it has been huge for him this year in minny
Who do we think is on it?
What did any Coach ever win, before they won?
Michel would be a perfect round 2 pick to fill the running back role
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What has he ever won?
What did any Coach ever win, before they won?
What???? No idea what that means all I know is Patricia and McDaniels know alot about winning.
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for Shurmur is whether he's enough of a leader to take control of OBJ and fix this locker room. There's litte doubt that he'll do a good job with the #2 pick but we need a strong coach who will bring this team together. As I said earlier in the thread I definitely have my reservations about whether Shurmur is the leader of men type. Really hope he is.
LOL, this team has about 500 bigger problems than Beckham's behavior right now.
That's not what I said. We need a coach who can control OBJ (McAdoo surely could not) AND fix this locker room. Fixing this broken locker room and leading these men is probably the #1 thing that needs fixing with this team right now.
Winning fixes locker rooms. They were all good soldiers at 11-5
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What has he ever won?
What did any Coach ever win, before they won?
What???? No idea what that means all I know is Patricia and McDaniels know alot about winning.
um shurmur is cosching in the NFCC next weekend....id say thats solid.
his offenses have been pretty good everywhere he has gone. i mean he makes case keenum look good.
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What has he ever won?
What did any Coach ever win, before they won?
What???? No idea what that means all I know is Patricia and McDaniels know alot about winning.
Go read the guys resume. He has more success across the board than either of the Pats assistants.
Who was the better OC for the Rams? McDaniels as their OC was awful. People see what they wanna see.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
I don’t like the Andy Reid connection. I don’t like that Philly went with Pederson over him. I don’t like speculation that this was done in any way with Eli at the forefront of the thought process.
We are also at least 1 week out from being able to build a staff that hopefully Tom Quinn and Spagnuolo have no part of.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
I don’t like the Andy Reid connection. I don’t like that Philly went with Pederson over him. I don’t like speculation that this was done in any way with Eli at the forefront of the thought process.
We are also at least 1 week out from being able to build a staff that hopefully Tom Quinn and Spagnuolo have no part of.
you contradict yourself. its either a risky pick or a safe pick....
thatbbeing said i think its a good choice based on whats out there
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
Which do you prefer - failed stint as a coach or zero head coaching experience? Because those were our options.
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No disputing that. Still, this smells a lot like yet another safety blanket pick by John Mara.
For all the apologizing that’s being done for Shurmur’s stint in Cleveland, he still brings nothing more (in terms of HC experience) than 2 failed seasons. How can he work miracles with Keenum, yet couldn’t do the same in Cleveland?
Which do you prefer - failed stint as a coach or zero head coaching experience? Because those were our options.
none..most that want to complain dont have an alternative.
How much better did you expect his record to be with Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy as his QB's?
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/953006682271076353 - ( New Window )
How much better did you expect his record to be with Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy as his QB's?
Another note on his Cleveland stint. His first season was the lockout shortened season. His second season ended with an ownership change. If there's a no-win situation....that's it.
So yeah, ignore turning a Vikings offense into a highly efficient unit being run effectively by a journeyman QB with limited talent, and just focus on the Browns, because that makes sense.
Mara was spooked by McAdoo. I don’t believe he went into this search with an open mind in that respect.
Mara was spooked by McAdoo. I don’t believe he went into this search with an open mind in that respect.
How the hell do you know that? Why would they interview Patricia or Wilks if they didn’t have an open mind?
I have no idea how some of you draw these conclusions.
Mara was spooked by McAdoo. I don’t believe he went into this search with an open mind in that respect.
I mean, this is all conjecture, but so what? Are you saying that Mara didn't want to take a risk with someone like Wilks due to McAdoo? Or is there another hidden diamond that we're missing? He's the safe pick, who's the unsafe pick?
Mara was spooked by McAdoo. I don’t believe he went into this search with an open mind in that respect.
Or maybe they were just much more impressed with Shurmur's interview and resume than Wilks'.
I'd also point out that it's not really fair to pin this hire on Mara being "spooked" and making the suggestion that he didn't have an open mind about this hire only to turn around and not have an open mind about it as a fan.