To be honest, I think you got attached to Wilks for whatever reason and are now bent out of shape that NYG didn't hire him so you're trying to craft these narratives to somehow prove it was a poor choice or not as good as hiring Wilks.
I just think that prior HC experience is such an asset
its not necessary, but I can't tell you how much better and more prepared I am for a leadership role if I've done it prior, even if that was a failure. Smart, motivated people learn, has he shown he can't evolve?
I'd still like to know what a realistic expectation is for a coach in Cleveland with those players under center.
Was he supposed to finish with a winning record?
Show me any NFL team with a roster as poor as those two Browns rosters that did better than Shurmur did. I'll save you the time and say you probably aren't going to find one.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
I like this hire! Warmed up to McD after yesterdays discussions but always liked Shurm. Although much of my optimism lies in how he git si much out of Case this year as well as how productive Minnys offense was this year. Especially given again Case having to step in for Bradford but also loosing Cook.
I too dont knock his record in Cleveland. Looking forward to his staff choices.
I would have been happy with any of the coaches that they interviewed. I like his experience and I like that he's shown that he can get the best out of offensive personnel. The Giants have done well - first hiring Gettleman and now Shurmur. The next key hire is defensive coordinator.
his time in Cleveland as some type of positive than there are people killing him for it, but ultimately it is what it is.
I would only consider it a positive in the sense of the experience he pulled from it. In terms of what he accomplished or didn't accomplish there and what it says about him as a head coach, I consider it a non-factor. The situation was FUBAR from the start and he wasn't operating under controlled conditions.
We know he's a good developer of talent at least on offense.
He's done well with some average to bad QBs. Head coaching is a different skill set. I'm good with giving him a chance to show he can do that too. At a minimum, he's good to develop our young QB for the next guy.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
He was OC in Philly when they had the 4th, 3rd, and 13th ranked offenses.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
Of course it's the rumors and rampant speculation that leads to a lot of nonesense. It's very likely he was the # 1 choice all along and the other guys get linked to other teams after the Giants made a decision. McDaniels is too risky when his entire resume is with BB and Brady. Brady is running that offense at the line of scrimmage. He is brilliant. Patricia was very interesting but I'm not sure hiring Bluto was the way to go. This the NY Giants.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
A 32 year old Marc Bulger and Kyle Boller with Donnie Avery as the leading receiver is something you are going to get up in arms about? People must have short memories because St Louis was bad for a long time after the Mike Martz days.
7/8 years ago and completely ignore the massiv success hes having NOW. Same with McDaniels - his time in Denver likely taught him a lot and it happened when he was 33 which was ages ago in NFL years.
to get hired there as they went with Pederson 2 years ago.
So they chose a different guy whos doing well for them and thats a knock on Shurmur? Theres other factors that go into hiring a coach - fit with the GM, play style, salary, etc. theres so many factors that boiling it down to they choose someone else as an argument is lame.
Maybe hell suck as a coach, but I keep hearing about what happened in the past because it fits a narrative but I dont hear anything about him possibly going to the Super Bowl after next weekend with an absolute JAG at QB.
Well, Pederson looks like he was a pretty good hire. It's not like they opted for some guy who has been an awful coach.
He's also from the "dreaded" Andy Reid tree and seems to be doing just fine.
Pedersen had less experience than McAdoo, and he didn't even call plays in Kansas City working for Reid. It goes to show that there's just very little way to know what kind of person or experience is going to work as a head coach.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
He is one of the top 3 candidates available - who did you want?
Though, if you're going to take a QB at 2 than I doubt you could do much better in terms of working with a young QB than Shurmur, given what's available. So I guess there's that.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
So, he was just standing on the sidelines and getting paid for nothing?
werent a potent offense but it was still efficient. They just didnt have many good players (Diggs and Thielen just started to breakout). Bradford threw for almost 4000 yards with 20 tds to 5 ints. They had Matt Asiata getting a ton of carries.
Hes been pretty damn successful without even a top 20.
His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
It probably is. But who exactly is out there? They don't appear to be interested in shooting high for a college guy like Shaw or Saban. Who else is out there? I don't trust those NE assistants without BB. two of the final four teams are coached by Doug Peterson and Doug Marrone. Both of which would have pissed the entire board off if they were hired here when McAdoo got the job. lol
Hard to find good coaches but this guy has a lot of good traits
- has HC experience
- good track record with QBs
- comes from a football family
- been around successful coaches
- his offenses have been balanced and successful, overcoming injuries
Who knows how it will work out but I think all of the above are improvements from the last hire if nothing else. I have to assume Gettleman thinks he can command the room and effectively function at that CEO level since he placed such an emphasis on it. Im also glad he didnt just go with a familiar candidate.
Everyone settle down... This is not a done deal...
He's done well with some average to bad QBs. Head coaching is a different skill set. I'm good with giving him a chance to show he can do that too. At a minimum, he's good to develop our young QB for the next guy.
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He's done well with some average to bad QBs.
That's why you can't say whether or not his hiring indicates anything about whether a QB will be taken with the NYG's first pick.
It is within the realm of possibility at least that the Giant's DON'T intend to take a QB early and will use the pick to shore up the OL and or RB.
In that scenario they need someone to make the most of Eli in the next few years and to develop Webb and any new QB taken in lower rounds.
As you indicated, he did wonders with Case Keenum who went undrafted.
an excellent choice. He's done well with QBs, and his success at prior jobs shows he's ready to be HC of the Giants. I do agree that it increases the chance we take a QB at #2.
ha..I said by end of day...and got shit on for saying so
resume. I like this guy because he has HC experience, and 9-23 isn't bad with that team, and he has done a great job in Minny besides losing the QB, the RB, and rebuilding the OL with all 5 players.
He's not available at the moment. The comments are repetitive and for the most part uninformative. Why don't we put this down for a while -- say until it's possible to have real news?
Nothing about him inspires greatness IMO I am sure there will be a dozen of puff pieces coming out the following weeks in the papers about how great he is but I cant get excited about him. I really wanted a Defensive minded HQ and a different culture coming here instead we get more WCO.
Was he supposed to finish with a winning record?
Show me any NFL team with a roster as poor as those two Browns rosters that did better than Shurmur did. I'll save you the time and say you probably aren't going to find one.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
I too dont knock his record in Cleveland. Looking forward to his staff choices.
I would only consider it a positive in the sense of the experience he pulled from it. In terms of what he accomplished or didn't accomplish there and what it says about him as a head coach, I consider it a non-factor. The situation was FUBAR from the start and he wasn't operating under controlled conditions.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
He was OC in Philly when they had the 4th, 3rd, and 13th ranked offenses.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
A 32 year old Marc Bulger and Kyle Boller with Donnie Avery as the leading receiver is something you are going to get up in arms about? People must have short memories because St Louis was bad for a long time after the Mike Martz days.
In 2009 they also had the 31st ranked defense...
Think the stuff about Beckham is way overplayed. He'll play hurt, he wants to win
Guilty by association (at least in part). No way were they sticking with anyone from that Chip Kelly staff.
So they chose a different guy whos doing well for them and thats a knock on Shurmur? Theres other factors that go into hiring a coach - fit with the GM, play style, salary, etc. theres so many factors that boiling it down to they choose someone else as an argument is lame.
Maybe hell suck as a coach, but I keep hearing about what happened in the past because it fits a narrative but I dont hear anything about him possibly going to the Super Bowl after next weekend with an absolute JAG at QB.
They were going to promote from within after an all-out Civil War with Kelly?
He's also from the "dreaded" Andy Reid tree and seems to be doing just fine.
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Guilty by association (at least in part). No way were they sticking with anyone from that Chip Kelly staff.
+1
He's also from the "dreaded" Andy Reid tree and seems to be doing just fine.
Pedersen had less experience than McAdoo, and he didn't even call plays in Kansas City working for Reid. It goes to show that there's just very little way to know what kind of person or experience is going to work as a head coach.
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His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
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His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
He is one of the top 3 candidates available - who did you want?
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His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
So, he was just standing on the sidelines and getting paid for nothing?
He had nothing to do with that offense?
Alrighty.
I guess everyone is gun shy now....
Hes been pretty damn successful without even a top 20.
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His stint with the Rams was really bad. First year they went 1-15 and the offense was the worst in the league. Only scored over 20 points once. The following year they went 7-9 but offense was ranked 26th. I have no idea how he got a head coach job off of that. Spags was the head coach too. Can't see them bringing that staff back together.
What he's done this year in Minny is impressive, but what is truly impressive on his resume outside of that? This feels like a terrible hire- can anyone truly say this is a big upgrade over Mcadoo?
The two top 5 offenses he fielded as the OC in PHI when his QB's were Foles, Sanchez and Barkley doesn't impress you?
It sure as hell impressed me.
He didn't even call the plays. That was Chips offense come on.
The Giants was supposed to be a premier job and they are going to come away with Pat Shurmur? What a massive disappoint. He hasn't even put together back to back good years with Minnesota. There has to be better options out there.
It probably is. But who exactly is out there? They don't appear to be interested in shooting high for a college guy like Shaw or Saban. Who else is out there? I don't trust those NE assistants without BB. two of the final four teams are coached by Doug Peterson and Doug Marrone. Both of which would have pissed the entire board off if they were hired here when McAdoo got the job. lol
- good track record with QBs
- comes from a football family
- been around successful coaches
- his offenses have been balanced and successful, overcoming injuries
Who knows how it will work out but I think all of the above are improvements from the last hire if nothing else. I have to assume Gettleman thinks he can command the room and effectively function at that CEO level since he placed such an emphasis on it. Im also glad he didnt just go with a familiar candidate.
Shut the hell up.
yea we know
That's why you can't say whether or not his hiring indicates anything about whether a QB will be taken with the NYG's first pick.
It is within the realm of possibility at least that the Giant's DON'T intend to take a QB early and will use the pick to shore up the OL and or RB.
In that scenario they need someone to make the most of Eli in the next few years and to develop Webb and any new QB taken in lower rounds.
As you indicated, he did wonders with Case Keenum who went undrafted.
schurmur..hope it works out with him and not haven't to go through this process for a long while now
You have zero credibility. Please shut the fuck up.
schurmur..hope it works out with him and not haven't to go through this process for a long while now
Yippee!! 🤪