If he is willing to listen the Giants should work hard to get him away from Minnesota. Perhaps Shurmur’s relationship with him is solid and he might be willing to come to NY.
As for OC DeFilippo would be a good hire. More importantly the OL coach position should go to Russ Grimm who should be available after the dismissal of Mukarkey In Tennessee.
I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shurmur keeps him from their prior time together in St. Louis. And he probably told DG in the interview as much.
He is the best ol coach in the NFL IMO. His work in Pittsburgh, Arizona, and now Tennessee have proven as much. I agree with the idea that the OL coach might be the 2nd most important hire after HC. Flowers is the type of offensive lineman that Grimm would love to groom.
He was also OC his first year. Brad Childress was his OC in his final year. Dick Jauron was his DC both years. Considering Jauron's ties to Tom Coughlin I would not be surprised to see John DeFillipo as OC. DC is a bit harder to peg because of who is available.
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He was also OC his first year. Brad Childress was his OC in his final year. Dick Jauron was his DC both years. Considering Jauron's ties to Tom Coughlin I would not be surprised to see John DeFillipo as OC. DC is a bit harder to peg because of who is available.
The top choice for me is George Edwards in Minnesota. His deal is reportedly up after the season. It is highly unlikely that Minnesota will let him leave perhaps Shurmur can lure him to NY with the DC/assistant head coach hire. Edwards and Russ Grimm would be my dream hires.
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When his roster is healthy and somewhat talented, he's as good as anyone. He and Shurmur might prove to be a potent combination. And, from I gather, his players love him.
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When his roster is healthy and somewhat talented, he's as good as anyone. He and Shurmur might prove to be a potent combination. And, from I gather, his players love him.
The problem with his schemes is that injuries happen and our defensive schemes are the equivalent of an O dominated with option routes. If everybody is on the same page it is great, but one misread and you have a big play for the opposition.
One being George Edwards and the other is Tony Sparano. Grimm would be my top choice as OL coach but Sparano would be a close second. Sparano deserves a great deal of credit for the job he did with a completely rebuilt offensive line in Minnesota. I am not sure if his contract is up or not but he would be a great hire.
they show St Steven of the Blitz the door immediately. Shurmur doesn't need Spagnuolo hanging around angling for the job like he did with McAdoo. He did not lift a finger to help McAdoo Granted McAdoo sucked and would have sunk anyway, but Spagnuolo didn't help with the revolts that went on in his units. I wouldn't want that kind of guy around .
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Can't stand him but he is a very good defensive coach. Brings a swagger to the defense that this team needs.
Just block him from talking to the press. EVER....
I like his defensive philosophy and the players seem to buy in also. They did well in 2016 when the offense was clicking but in my opinion got gassed after 3 quarters when this year's offense couldn't stay on the field long enough to give them a breather. (Injuries didn't help.)
Retaining Spags would help restore the stability and continuity of the franchise which in my mind was an asset.
Most of the staff on offense is gone; a very good OC is necessary ASAP to help build a staff before all the options are hired away.
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they show St Steven of the Blitz the door immediately. Shurmur doesn't need Spagnuolo hanging around angling for the job like he did with McAdoo. He did not lift a finger to help McAdoo Granted McAdoo sucked and would have sunk anyway, but Spagnuolo didn't help with the revolts that went on in his units. I wouldn't want that kind of guy around .
That's some very specific conjecture. I don't think any of that is true.
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Can't stand him but he is a very good defensive coach. Brings a swagger to the defense that this team needs.
Just block him from talking to the press. EVER....
No thank you.
Talk to Bills fans about Rex Ryan and what he did to an ascending defense.
If they go Ryan, get ready to see dumb shit like Snacks Harrison dropping into coverage.
I sure hope so. Spags has had his time here, and I'm ready for a change. I think the players would respond to a new coaching staff much better as well. Clean slate for everyone.
he destroyed the defense in Buffalo and he's a major asshole. He's a loudmouth media whore who would undermine the new head coach as soon as he walks in the building. A Buddy Ryan spawn does not work for the Giants. Never as in not ever.
And it wasn't two of the worst defenses of all time that spags presided over, it's three, if you count this season as one of the worst. I do. Don't show me stats. Anyone associated with this defense besides a select few should be ashamed. Spags didn't help this year or 2015 on in New Orleans. Not even trying to roast the guy but he hasnt gotten nearly enough heat. I'm not saying spags is terrible but I know for certain that when shit goes south his defenses fold like a cheap suit. And that's a fact. There are DCs out there that can do more.
he destroyed the defense in Buffalo and he's a major asshole. He's a loudmouth media whore who would undermine the new head coach as soon as he walks in the building. A Buddy Ryan spawn does not work for the Giants. Never as in not ever.
The defense wasn’t just horrible on the field this past season, they were all messed up off the field too. The defense was disgraceful this past season. Even after the season we still had LC running his fucking mouth. You can’t fire the entire defensive unit but you sure as heck can fire all the coaches. I’m surprised Spags wasn’t sent packing already. Definitely do not want him back. I don’t want any coaches back from McAdoof’s staff. Not a single one.
Hey, I hear Joey Porter might be available. It would be fun to see him coaching up Eli Apple and Landon “I like player coaches” Collins.
They need to clean house. Lets hope if Shurmur gets the HC job, that he hires his entire staff. If he doesn't, well unfortunately Mara has his hands on all the decisions which is bad.
When his roster is healthy and somewhat talented, he's as good as anyone.
It could also be said that when the roster is healthy and somewhat talented, anyone is as good as he is.
The key is to find a DC whose defense doesn't become historically inept when adversity hits. Someone who can get the most out of mediocre talent and make the right adjustments to his schemes when the inevitable injuries occur.
But I have admired Darrell Bevell's work and think he would be a good candidate for OC. Good with QB's, Seattle was done in by a terrible OL that limited their offense.
Would make our draft selection even more interesting - Bevell was the guy that wanted, and got, Russell Wilson.
is an intriguing pick as OC. Young smart an innovative and they have worked together before. Think Spags gets the DC spot unless Edwards wants to come.
When his roster is healthy and somewhat talented, he's as good as anyone.
It could also be said that when the roster is healthy and somewhat talented, anyone is as good as he is.
The key is to find a DC whose defense doesn't become historically inept when adversity hits. Someone who can get the most out of mediocre talent and make the right adjustments to his schemes when the inevitable injuries occur.
That absolutely is the key. Except those guys don't become available because you're describing a top of the line defensive coordinator. The best way to get one is to make him your head coach. Or try your looking taking a chance on a young and upcoming coach and take the lumps of a learning process. But people don't have patience for that.
would love fox or del rio.
praying no to spags
As for OC DeFilippo would be a good hire. More importantly the OL coach position should go to Russ Grimm who should be available after the dismissal of Mukarkey In Tennessee.
DC - Jack Del Rio
doubt he jus retires....has giant ties. i think he will be considered
He's a great OL coach.
I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shurmur keeps him from their prior time together in St. Louis. And he probably told DG in the interview as much.
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I'm with you on Grimm. Would be an excellent hire
He's a great OL coach.
He is the best ol coach in the NFL IMO. His work in Pittsburgh, Arizona, and now Tennessee have proven as much. I agree with the idea that the OL coach might be the 2nd most important hire after HC. Flowers is the type of offensive lineman that Grimm would love to groom.
The top choice for me is George Edwards in Minnesota. His deal is reportedly up after the season. It is highly unlikely that Minnesota will let him leave perhaps Shurmur can lure him to NY with the DC/assistant head coach hire. Edwards and Russ Grimm would be my dream hires.
How is he similar to McAdoo in any way besides the WC offense.
I think John Fox fits that profile pretty well. Would not mind him coming back as the DC.
He's been a HC before. that in of itself is experience that McAdoo didn't have.
Well for 1 thing, Shurmur is not known to be a jackass who lost most of the team. Spags blows as a DC. We were like the bottom in the NFL on D.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I kinda like Tom Cable - but no idea for OC.
The problem with his schemes is that injuries happen and our defensive schemes are the equivalent of an O dominated with option routes. If everybody is on the same page it is great, but one misread and you have a big play for the opposition.
Can't stand him but he is a very good defensive coach. Brings a swagger to the defense that this team needs.
Just block him from talking to the press. EVER....
Retaining Spags would help restore the stability and continuity of the franchise which in my mind was an asset.
Most of the staff on offense is gone; a very good OC is necessary ASAP to help build a staff before all the options are hired away.
That's some very specific conjecture. I don't think any of that is true.
Next time, before you post something idiotic, you might want to read up on the subject ahead of time.
There are two other great options potentially available in Harold Goodwin from Arizona or Jim Bob Cooter from Detroit.
oc - ? (maybe Schurmur take those duties as well like mcadoo did)
Just saw that about Brian Schottenheimer. Good DeFilippo may still be available then.
Spags has presided over a couple if the worst defenses ever on two different squads.
Oh wait, I forgot, none of that was his fault. He was a victim in the whole affair.
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Would be a great hire for DC, not good, great.
Can't stand him but he is a very good defensive coach. Brings a swagger to the defense that this team needs.
Just block him from talking to the press. EVER....
No thank you.
Talk to Bills fans about Rex Ryan and what he did to an ascending defense.
If they go Ryan, get ready to see dumb shit like Snacks Harrison dropping into coverage.
I sure hope so. Spags has had his time here, and I'm ready for a change. I think the players would respond to a new coaching staff much better as well. Clean slate for everyone.
And it wasn't two of the worst defenses of all time that spags presided over, it's three, if you count this season as one of the worst. I do. Don't show me stats. Anyone associated with this defense besides a select few should be ashamed. Spags didn't help this year or 2015 on in New Orleans. Not even trying to roast the guy but he hasnt gotten nearly enough heat. I'm not saying spags is terrible but I know for certain that when shit goes south his defenses fold like a cheap suit. And that's a fact. There are DCs out there that can do more.
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Hey, I hear Joey Porter might be available. It would be fun to see him coaching up Eli Apple and Landon “I like player coaches” Collins.
Enough with Spags already. It’s time for him to go. His defense sucked last year and several of his players were out of control.
The key is to find a DC whose defense doesn't become historically inept when adversity hits. Someone who can get the most out of mediocre talent and make the right adjustments to his schemes when the inevitable injuries occur.
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Enough with Spags already. It’s time for him to go. His defense sucked last year and several of his players were out of control.
THANK YOU!
Would make our draft selection even more interesting - Bevell was the guy that wanted, and got, Russell Wilson.
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When his roster is healthy and somewhat talented, he's as good as anyone.
It could also be said that when the roster is healthy and somewhat talented, anyone is as good as he is.
The key is to find a DC whose defense doesn't become historically inept when adversity hits. Someone who can get the most out of mediocre talent and make the right adjustments to his schemes when the inevitable injuries occur.
That absolutely is the key. Except those guys don't become available because you're describing a top of the line defensive coordinator. The best way to get one is to make him your head coach. Or try your looking taking a chance on a young and upcoming coach and take the lumps of a learning process. But people don't have patience for that.