The NYG are guaranteed one of the top 2 QBs. History says the Browns likely choose the wrong guy anyway. If anything, the pick I’d be looking to trade down from is the 2nd rounder. Once the boards are re-shuffled after round 1, teams will be looking to trade up for guys who have slipped.
After the last few years of trading down and missing on a QB Â
If anything I would try to trade back to 4 with the Browns. Let them get a Qb and Barkley. Indy wont take a Qb leaving likely the second QB to us at four plus additional picks.
Again all hypothetical but I would see if they was a chance.
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Then trading up to 1. It all really depends on what the Browns think of the top 3 or 4 qbs. Maybe they don't even take a qb at 1, maybe it's Allen or Mayfield. But I think the Giants at least inquire. My guess is it takes at least a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Hard to part with this years 2nd rounder, given the quality of player they are likely to secure.
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[quote] When you need 5 OL. If you don't want the QB at 2 trade down a little if you can find a partner. [/quote
If the organization is completely sold on Darnold as the guy, why not trade? I agree to avoid trading this years 2nd rounder or next years first. But, open season on anything else. Take the best tackle available in round 2. Then find the best free agent linemen. That's 2 linemen, and also inquire as to Pugh's cost. Can't draft 5 linemen with one or two picks. Again, I emphasize that this is only if they truly covet one qb over another.
Can’t move out of one fans would kill them they have to take the TOP player on their board. None of these top three QB’s come with the NFL family name to cause shock waves if drafted by the Browns.
Giants get to choose the BPA minus one this team can’t afford to loose any draft picks if anything they need to acquire additional picks.
that a QB is superior to the other's and will be their franchise QB then nobody can fault them for trading up to secure him. Do the Eagles regret trading up for Wentz?
RE: After the last few years of trading down and missing on a QB Â
When you need 5 OL. If you don't want the QB at 2 trade down a little if you can find a partner.
That's what I've been saying. Unless there is one guy the team has its heart set on no matter what, we have holes all over the team which is in rebuild mode. So yeah, I wouldn't object at all to trading down for a crapload of additional draft picks. The more the merrier, we need 'em
RE: RE: After the last few years of trading down and missing on a QB Â
If anything I would try to trade back to 4 with the Browns. Let them get a Qb and Barkley. Indy wont take a Qb leaving likely the second QB to us at four plus additional picks.
Again all hypothetical but I would see if they was a chance.
If anything I would try to trade back to 4 with the Browns. Let them get a Qb and Barkley. Indy wont take a Qb leaving likely the second QB to us at four plus additional picks.
Again all hypothetical but I would see if they was a chance.
good idea but then indy would sell pick 3
Not a good idea at all!
Look, the priority is Darnold. Hope that the Browns are happy enough to take Allen...or, settle for him. If they are 50/50 on both players than we know we have to give up something for Darnold. If not insane and threatening to our future, you take the deal no questions asked. Darnold would be 21 when mini camp is in session, can learn under Eli for a year or two (if Eli shows promise after next year) and then take over at latest 23. If Eli is shit next year, we will know what we have in Webb and we can judge if Darnold is ready to be the guy. If Webb also looks good, he is tradeable to recoup some of what we gave up to get Darnold. At the worst, we have a talented back up.
If Browns are intent on subjugating Darnold, we can trade back possibly twice and take Mayfield. He may not be superstar, but he will be like Doug Flutoe on steroids at the least. That guy WILL make plays.
Would be if one QB stood out above all the other QBs. And if that's the case, Cleveland would not be willing to trade away the pick, they would select him themselves. If the Giants and Browns both love Darnold or Allen, the Giants will be shit out of luck.
The only monkey wrench is if Rosen is the clear #1QB but makes it known that he would rather go back to school and re-enter the draft next year than play for the Browns (he won't be able to play football, but the time away would not be a setback to his development or hurt his draft stock...and unlike most, he really doesn't care about being the first pick). Under those circumstances, Cleveland may be willing to trade the pick and the Giants would be their ideal trading partner if they have their heart set on Darnold or Allen or Barkley as the consolation prize for giving up Rosen. At that point, it becomes a question of chicken between the two teams, just like it did back in 2004 (hopefully Gettleman plays his cards much better than Accorsi did if it should come down to that).
My prediction is that either Darnold or Allen or Barkley do enough between now and April to make it so that Rosen is not the obvious choice for #1 overall. It needs to be close enough so that the Browns just don't want to deal with the headache (the last thing the Browns need at a time when they have five picks in the first two rounds is to end the weekend with everyone talking about Rosen not wanting to be there).
The NYG are guaranteed one of the top 2 QBs. History says the Browns likely choose the wrong guy anyway. If anything, the pick I’d be looking to trade down from is the 2nd rounder. Once the boards are re-shuffled after round 1, teams will be looking to trade up for guys who have slipped.
I am thinking the opposite trade back into rd 1....barring the OL we want is their and not a reach ... I am curious to see what happens with the comp pick now that they can be traded and we should get a decent one this time around.
If everyone is so sure Mara prevailed in HC pick Â
why wouldn't his QB preferences also be relevant?
He likes Eli and wanted to give Davis a chance to show his stuff.
I don't think it is certain that he's going QB with the 1st choice.
but if the Giants thought one of the QBs was far superior to the others, they should absolutely explore trading up with the Browns. And just because the Giants have a strong preference doesn't mean the Browns also do, or even that they have a strong preference for the same guy. If they won't trade, explore trading back if they take your guy or just pick the guy on the top of your board.
If the QBs are relatively close in their assessment, then sit tight at #2 and take the guy at the top of your board when you are on the clock.
How the hell do you know that??? Don't answer it you don't.
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Travis Beckum
Thanks, thats what im looking for...so i would have to guess it would cost a 2nd round pick...thats iffy.
Again all hypothetical but I would see if they was a chance.
They swapped spots with the 49ers in the first, gave up a 2017 3rd, a 2017 4th and a 2018 3rd.
[quote] When you need 5 OL. If you don't want the QB at 2 trade down a little if you can find a partner. [/quote
If the organization is completely sold on Darnold as the guy, why not trade? I agree to avoid trading this years 2nd rounder or next years first. But, open season on anything else. Take the best tackle available in round 2. Then find the best free agent linemen. That's 2 linemen, and also inquire as to Pugh's cost. Can't draft 5 linemen with one or two picks. Again, I emphasize that this is only if they truly covet one qb over another.
Giants get to choose the BPA minus one this team can’t afford to loose any draft picks if anything they need to acquire additional picks.
Well, maybe. They're dumb. There's been no indication they're capable of learning lessons yet.
Yep, no chance at all that Cleveland trades out of #1.
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Jay Bromley
Jayron Hosley
Damontre Moron
Jerrel Jernigan
Travis Beckum
lol. We could give Cleveland the rights to all of them
That's what I've been saying. Unless there is one guy the team has its heart set on no matter what, we have holes all over the team which is in rebuild mode. So yeah, I wouldn't object at all to trading down for a crapload of additional draft picks. The more the merrier, we need 'em
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Does anybody realistically think Cleveland is going to trade down again and not get their top QB.
Well, maybe. They're dumb. There's been no indication they're capable of learning lessons yet.
They’ve got a new Gm in Dorsey. He’s no fool.
It could happebn
Again all hypothetical but I would see if they was a chance.
good idea but then indy would sell pick 3
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If anything I would try to trade back to 4 with the Browns. Let them get a Qb and Barkley. Indy wont take a Qb leaving likely the second QB to us at four plus additional picks.
Again all hypothetical but I would see if they was a chance.
good idea but then indy would sell pick 3
Not a good idea at all!
Look, the priority is Darnold. Hope that the Browns are happy enough to take Allen...or, settle for him. If they are 50/50 on both players than we know we have to give up something for Darnold. If not insane and threatening to our future, you take the deal no questions asked. Darnold would be 21 when mini camp is in session, can learn under Eli for a year or two (if Eli shows promise after next year) and then take over at latest 23. If Eli is shit next year, we will know what we have in Webb and we can judge if Darnold is ready to be the guy. If Webb also looks good, he is tradeable to recoup some of what we gave up to get Darnold. At the worst, we have a talented back up.
If Browns are intent on subjugating Darnold, we can trade back possibly twice and take Mayfield. He may not be superstar, but he will be like Doug Flutoe on steroids at the least. That guy WILL make plays.
2. Gettlemen has a lot of holes to fill and is not going to give up draft picks foolishly
2. Gettlemen has a lot of holes to fill and is not going to give up draft picks foolishly
+1
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Does anybody realistically think Cleveland is going to trade down again and not get their top QB.
Well, maybe. They're dumb. There's been no indication they're capable of learning lessons yet.
"They"? There is a new guy running the show now and he was brought in because the other guy got fired for passing on Wentz, Goff, Watson, etc.
The only monkey wrench is if Rosen is the clear #1QB but makes it known that he would rather go back to school and re-enter the draft next year than play for the Browns (he won't be able to play football, but the time away would not be a setback to his development or hurt his draft stock...and unlike most, he really doesn't care about being the first pick). Under those circumstances, Cleveland may be willing to trade the pick and the Giants would be their ideal trading partner if they have their heart set on Darnold or Allen or Barkley as the consolation prize for giving up Rosen. At that point, it becomes a question of chicken between the two teams, just like it did back in 2004 (hopefully Gettleman plays his cards much better than Accorsi did if it should come down to that).
My prediction is that either Darnold or Allen or Barkley do enough between now and April to make it so that Rosen is not the obvious choice for #1 overall. It needs to be close enough so that the Browns just don't want to deal with the headache (the last thing the Browns need at a time when they have five picks in the first two rounds is to end the weekend with everyone talking about Rosen not wanting to be there).
I am thinking the opposite trade back into rd 1....barring the OL we want is their and not a reach ... I am curious to see what happens with the comp pick now that they can be traded and we should get a decent one this time around.
He likes Eli and wanted to give Davis a chance to show his stuff.
I don't think it is certain that he's going QB with the 1st choice.
If the QBs are relatively close in their assessment, then sit tight at #2 and take the guy at the top of your board when you are on the clock.