Maybe he didn't have a great plan to fix the offense. Maybe he couldn't guarantee good coordinators that would follow. Maybe he was just not ready yet?
and then he quickly faded back to being another also ran, for this year at least?
it's possible he isn't ready for prime time.
it's also possible the Maras are running the show and Gettleman is just here to fill out the paperwork. That's a bit harsh, but ultimately, the desk where the buck stops belongs to Mara, not DG. So, maybe DG brought in a candidate he liked, and Mara said no.
that Gettleman interviewed him to see if he was ready to be a HC. Maybe he is, but just wasn't as good as the other choices.
I doubt Gettleman was overruled, or at least we shouldn't just assume he was. From everything I've heard, the team was going into the coaching search with an open mind and it sure seemed like it worked out that way.
Giants just were massively burned by rolling the dice on a young up n comer. No way they were going down that road again this time. As much as I was intrigued by Wilks, especially to be the first AA head coach for the NYG, with only one year as D-co (on a pretty stacked defense) and his lack of experience as a HC was probably was never going to get past the Mara Tisch experience requirements. And who can blame them really? Also, I think the owners and probably DG wanted someone from the offensive side of the ball. We have a horrible, horrible offense and the number two pick in the draft that’s almost certain to be used on a QB. It will be good to have an O side guy to run the offense and develop the second over pick from the draft.
to the next quarterback of the New York Giants. They probably think it is more likely to be successful with an offensive minded coach. Shurmur is from the Andy Reid coaching tree, which has a track record of developing NFL quarterbacks. They also have to look no further than Case Keenum this year. Shurmar took a guy who's career path was that of a backup QB and got him to play at a level which has his team in the NFC Championship game.
that Gettleman interviewed him to see if he was ready to be a HC. Maybe he is, but just wasn't as good as the other choices.
I doubt Gettleman was overruled, or at least we shouldn't just assume he was. From everything I've heard, the team was going into the coaching search with an open mind and it sure seemed like it worked out that way.
Yes, this is my concern....You wouldn't want a new GM's 1st major decision to be overruled by management. I'll have better faith once Quinn is fired. Yes I know this angle on Quinn is overplayed, but it is weird....
that DG really wanted him but got overruled by Mara. Sounds awesome and gives you something to complain about, but there's absolutely no evidence of this. You might as well just come out and say there is a rift between our GM and Owners which of course, would be stupid.
Maybe he didn't interview well. Maybe they liked Shurmur more especially if the franchise is in agreement on going QB with our #2 pick. So many possibilities but lets just immediately go to conspiracies.
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that Gettleman interviewed him to see if he was ready to be a HC. Maybe he is, but just wasn't as good as the other choices.
I doubt Gettleman was overruled, or at least we shouldn't just assume he was. From everything I've heard, the team was going into the coaching search with an open mind and it sure seemed like it worked out that way.
Yes, this is my concern....You wouldn't want a new GM's 1st major decision to be overruled by management. I'll have better faith once Quinn is fired. Yes I know this angle on Quinn is overplayed, but it is weird....
The owners are part of the HC hire in the NYG org structure.
Giants just were massively burned by rolling the dice on a young up n comer. No way they were going down that road again this time. As much as I was intrigued by Wilks, especially to be the first AA head coach for the NYG, with only one year as D-co (on a pretty stacked defense) and his lack of experience as a HC was probably was never going to get past the Mara Tisch experience requirements. And who can blame them really? Also, I think the owners and probably DG wanted someone from the offensive side of the ball. We have a horrible, horrible offense and the number two pick in the draft that’s almost certain to be used on a QB. It will be good to have an O side guy to run the offense and develop the second over pick from the draft.
We have a horrible, horrible defense too. That ranked 31st.
But was never reported to be among the finalists on anyone's list. Is it really that surprising? Other candidates are veteran staff members with prior HC experience or many years at coordinator level. He seems like a good coach who's time will come, but the obvious conclusion is that he's seen as too junior, not just by NY, but by everyone.
no one else who interviewed him knows him that well. I wonder if Gettleman really thought he was going to be given the authority to hire the HC. I'm thinking he had to know what he was getting into. To paraphrase Bill Belichick this is still a Mara & Mara game.
We have a horrible, horrible defense too. That ranked 31st.
No doubt about it, the defense sucked balls. I guess you could make the case that the Giants could hire a D side head coach like Wilks and then draft Chubb with the 2 pick and try to build a dominate defense. But you’d still have our lousy offense and a huge need for an established O-co to get things working right away. Anyway, seems like Shumur’s the guy and ownership wants O side HC and probably will draft QB with 2 pick.
....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks. I didn't assume anything, but you sure did....Thanks for the input.
....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks.
Which means he liked him enough to give the opportunity to interview a job despite his lack of experience. It does not mean he was Gettleman's first choice. That's an unfair assumption.
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that DG really wanted him but got overruled by Mara. Sounds awesome and gives you something to complain about, but there's absolutely no evidence of this. You might as well just come out and say there is a rift between our GM and Owners which of course, would be stupid.
Maybe he didn't interview well. Maybe they liked Shurmur more especially if the franchise is in agreement on going QB with our #2 pick. So many possibilities but lets just immediately go to conspiracies.
Good post, well said. Some folks invent anything to complain about.
Even if Gettleman wanted to get Wilks an interview Â
What team hired Wilks for their hear coaching position? If he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Mara ruined it all, why didn't all these teams interview him? Why wasn't he hired as a head coach if he is the certain answer? Maybe the truth is that he just is not ready quite yet.
....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks. I didn't assume anything, but you sure did....Thanks for the input.
How does like = top choice necessitating subversion by ownership? Of course he liked him or he wouldn't have gotten an interview. This isn't hard.
no one else who interviewed him knows him that well.
That is correct. But your statement also applies to Mara/Tisch, not just other teams. We also don't know what DG's view was on other candidates.
Hiring of coaches is a multivariable calculus. For me Wilks would be an intriguing candidate for a stable organization. But for one with as many franchise altering challenges as we have, ones which we simply cannot afford to mess up, experience has to be a huge consideration. Wilks has virtually no experience to prepare him for some of what he will face.
Has nothing to do with the other. Just because they got McAdoo wrong does not mean they get this wrong. Reese was here, what the fuck did he do right other then bring in great receivers? Reese had nothing to do with Eli, nothing to do with Coughlin, nothing to do with that great offensive and defensive lines we had when we won Coughlin and Eli's first SuperBowl. McAdoo was Reese's guy, and Mara signed off. This is Gettleman's hire, Mara signed off, you don't know at all that Wilks was the guy he wanted, he wanted to bring him in and interview him, that is all we know as fact, nothing else.
....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks. I didn't assume anything, but you sure did....Thanks for the input.
How does like = top choice necessitating subversion by ownership? Of course he liked him or he wouldn't have gotten an interview. This isn't hard.
The title of the thread says "seemed" and there are reports to back it up. I believe it was Raanan of ESPN somewhere around 1-9-18. I never said anything as fact, nor could anybody. All we can do as fans is look at the signs and talk about what "SEEMS" to have happened based on reports from people in the industry. I posed in the original thread several suppositions on what could have happened. One of those suppositions is that Gettleman was overruled and all I said was that I hoped it isn't true.
No one here has the slightest idea whether or not Â
All last week was it was Wilks and Shurmur.. Its only speculation right now but the feeling is Mara/Abrams really liked Shurmur and Mara is the one who pulled the trigger.
The offense is a mess and has been for quite some time so they wanted an offensive guy who could fix it.
Wilks cam across well in interview but not quite good enough
Wanted some one who had been an OC or DC for more than a year.
Wanted some one with HC experience as well as co-ordinator experience.
Other than his strength of being the guy"that everyone listens to when he speaks" he had too many other weaknesses and not enough of a plan to make the team better.
Others they interviewed met all the above requirements with confidence.
it's possible he isn't ready for prime time.
it's also possible the Maras are running the show and Gettleman is just here to fill out the paperwork. That's a bit harsh, but ultimately, the desk where the buck stops belongs to Mara, not DG. So, maybe DG brought in a candidate he liked, and Mara said no.
I doubt Gettleman was overruled, or at least we shouldn't just assume he was. From everything I've heard, the team was going into the coaching search with an open mind and it sure seemed like it worked out that way.
That's it, right there. 'Reportedly', Wilks interviewed well, he can go back to Carolina for another year as DC.
I doubt Gettleman was overruled, or at least we shouldn't just assume he was. From everything I've heard, the team was going into the coaching search with an open mind and it sure seemed like it worked out that way.
Yes, this is my concern....You wouldn't want a new GM's 1st major decision to be overruled by management. I'll have better faith once Quinn is fired. Yes I know this angle on Quinn is overplayed, but it is weird....
Maybe he didn't interview well. Maybe they liked Shurmur more especially if the franchise is in agreement on going QB with our #2 pick. So many possibilities but lets just immediately go to conspiracies.
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that Gettleman interviewed him to see if he was ready to be a HC. Maybe he is, but just wasn't as good as the other choices.
I doubt Gettleman was overruled, or at least we shouldn't just assume he was. From everything I've heard, the team was going into the coaching search with an open mind and it sure seemed like it worked out that way.
Yes, this is my concern....You wouldn't want a new GM's 1st major decision to be overruled by management. I'll have better faith once Quinn is fired. Yes I know this angle on Quinn is overplayed, but it is weird....
The owners are part of the HC hire in the NYG org structure.
We have a horrible, horrible defense too. That ranked 31st.
Yep. This was probably the case. He has final say.
This is my guess too. Mara was willing to listen, but had to be blown away to hire Wilks. Maybe Wilks was good, but not good enough?
We have a horrible, horrible defense too. That ranked 31st.
No doubt about it, the defense sucked balls. I guess you could make the case that the Giants could hire a D side head coach like Wilks and then draft Chubb with the 2 pick and try to build a dominate defense. But you’d still have our lousy offense and a huge need for an established O-co to get things working right away. Anyway, seems like Shumur’s the guy and ownership wants O side HC and probably will draft QB with 2 pick.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks. I didn't assume anything, but you sure did....Thanks for the input.
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....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks.
Maybe he didn't interview well. Maybe they liked Shurmur more especially if the franchise is in agreement on going QB with our #2 pick. So many possibilities but lets just immediately go to conspiracies.
Good post, well said. Some folks invent anything to complain about.
Why aren't we allowing for the possibility that you can think one thing, get more information, then change your mind?
It's bizarre.
"Mara happened"
"The GM wanted Wilks, but got overruled"
Where the hell is this info coming from? Stop stating opinions as facts. They aren't facts.
Those are the levels these guys should be at, and that would be a strong coaching staff.
Instead, we're looking at a Peter Principle here and having a weak staff.
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....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks. I didn't assume anything, but you sure did....Thanks for the input.
How does like = top choice necessitating subversion by ownership? Of course he liked him or he wouldn't have gotten an interview. This isn't hard.
Hiring of coaches is a multivariable calculus. For me Wilks would be an intriguing candidate for a stable organization. But for one with as many franchise altering challenges as we have, ones which we simply cannot afford to mess up, experience has to be a huge consideration. Wilks has virtually no experience to prepare him for some of what he will face.
Those are the levels these guys should be at, and that would be a strong coaching staff.
Instead, we're looking at a Peter Principle here and having a weak staff.
You sound like a child. Each one of your posts is worst than the last.
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....Gettleman’s top choice based on nothing but the fact that he was on the Carolina staff? That’s an incredibly simple-minded approach.
No, your response is simple minded if anything. There were reports on how much Gettleman liked Wilks. I didn't assume anything, but you sure did....Thanks for the input.
How does like = top choice necessitating subversion by ownership? Of course he liked him or he wouldn't have gotten an interview. This isn't hard.
The title of the thread says "seemed" and there are reports to back it up. I believe it was Raanan of ESPN somewhere around 1-9-18. I never said anything as fact, nor could anybody. All we can do as fans is look at the signs and talk about what "SEEMS" to have happened based on reports from people in the industry. I posed in the original thread several suppositions on what could have happened. One of those suppositions is that Gettleman was overruled and all I said was that I hoped it isn't true.
That’s also why Spagnuolo is not being considered either.
Wilks cam across well in interview but not quite good enough
Wanted some one who had been an OC or DC for more than a year.
Wanted some one with HC experience as well as co-ordinator experience.
Other than his strength of being the guy"that everyone listens to when he speaks" he had too many other weaknesses and not enough of a plan to make the team better.
Others they interviewed met all the above requirements with confidence.