I wouldn't exactly call it a ringing endorsement - bit of a mixed bag....
“He’s kind of quiet and kind of serious,” Holmgren told the Daily News on Monday night. “I’m not that serious. It’s hard for him to shoot the breeze. He’s really bright and works really hard. He has a good way about him with his staff. I’m disappointed he didn’t come in and talk to me enough. I was down the hall. I wish Pat had done that with me more. They want to do their own thing and don’t want to show they don’t know what is going on. I understand that. I’m really happy for him that it looks like he’s getting another chance.”
A cautionary tale: Holmgren told Shurmur he was letting the media in Cleveland bother him too much. “He read everything. He knew everything that was said,” Holmgren said. “I told him, ‘You can’t let it get to you. Don’t create an adversarial situation.’ I tried to counsel him that way.” |
I should warn everyone it's a Gary Myers story.
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Who cares. Holmgren at the Browns, was like Phil Jackson running the Knicks. They both didn't want to give 100% effort where they were, and wanted to half ass it.
Oh well. We know next to nothing about the interviews and what the Giants are looking for. We can only hope they've made the right decision, regardless of who they pick.
As long as he isn't arrogant, the NY media will give him a pass next year ( for sure) and most likely in '19 with a new QB.
After that, all bets are off.
I look forward to having this offense show some fucking life !!!!
The NY media is multiple times bigger than Cleveland and he absolutely needs to put on the blinders about what is being written and focus on the team.
hope it's not accurate or that he's learned well from his experiences.
Part of the reason he did survive is because his family basically told him what the media was saying and how it was effecting them. In turn, he softened up a little bit and created the players union/voice thing. Also, he let the players see him from a non coaching view.
He's got three rings as a coach. He can talk about coaching.
Am I wrong or hasn't Holmgren done this before and thrown people under the bus?
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He's got three rings as a coach. He can talk about coaching.
I'm willing to bet they didn't get along. Him being a shitty GM is probably why he feels the way he does about the guys under him.
This was 7/8 years ago on the worst franchise in sports, who cares?
WCO guy, meek & mild. Never established himself as a HC/CEO type.
But hey - he's Irish and he does what he's told.
Mara is freaking me out the last few years. Nothing to inspire confidence.
Hope like hell I'm wrong.
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Was a shitty GM so
He's got three rings as a coach. He can talk about coaching.
I'm willing to bet they didn't get along. Him being a shitty GM is probably why he feels the way he does about the guys under him.
This was 7/8 years ago on the worst franchise in sports, who cares?
Did you read the article? It wasn't a hit piece.
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He's got three rings as a coach. He can talk about coaching.
He just has an axe to grind because he gave Shurmur little talent to work with. Anyone who made the first round picks he made in 2012 should keep his mouth shut about critiquing the coach who had to deal with the results.
Am I wrong or hasn't Holmgren done this before and thrown people under the bus?
He absolutely has, rare to see him speak glowingly of peers.
WCO guy, meek & mild. Never established himself as a HC/CEO type.
But hey - he's Irish and he does what he's told.
Mara is freaking me out the last few years. Nothing to inspire confidence.
Hope like hell I'm wrong.
What does being Irish have to do with him getting the job?
No, don't really have an interest in it. Going off of what's been posted.
WCO guy, meek & mild. Never established himself as a HC/CEO type.
But hey - he's Irish and he does what he's told.
Mara is freaking me out the last few years. Nothing to inspire confidence.
Hope like hell I'm wrong.
I thought he was German.
LOL, this board....
Maybe Shurmur wouldn't have had to deal with the media so much in Cleveland if Holmgren knew how to draft worth a damn.
Yikes...
LOL, this board....
Arc, the stupidity sometimes is mind boggling. And the lengths people will go to criticize someone knows no bounds.
I am in agreement that he was a safe hire for Mara. That's all.
I am in agreement that he was a safe hire for Mara. That's all.
Again, why did you bring up that he's Irish? WTF does that have to do with anything? A really bizarre comment.
I stand corrected.
A thin skin is not going work well in NY and most feedback has been is that Shurmur is quiet and introverted.
I think Mara got too caught up in a guy that can fix the offense and looked passed a lot of other factors.
How is this guy ever going to control OBJ?
Shurmur is a German surname.
The worst thing the guy did this year was use a TD celebration that was probably in poor taste.
You'd think the guy needs a personal chaperone like Dez Bryant because he can't control himself anywhere he goes the way people talk about him.
Good lord.
A thin skin is not going work well in NY and most feedback has been is that Shurmur is quiet and introverted.
I think Mara got too caught up in a guy that can fix the offense and looked passed a lot of other factors.
How is this guy ever going to control OBJ?
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Hey, I'm Irish too. It was not intended as a racist comment. It was intended as a "safe" comment.
I am in agreement that he was a safe hire for Mara. That's all.
Again, why did you bring up that he's Irish? WTF does that have to do with anything? A really bizarre comment.
I apologize if I offended you, and if he's German I apologize for calling him Irish.
But I don't like the hire and it has nothing to do with his race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I just don't think he's the right guy to be Head Coach of the NY Giants. We'll see.
Perfect example why a coach on his second try can make slight changes to make it a positive experience instead of a negative one.
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This is an underwhelming hire to me, typical Giants. Very lazy and inside the box. It is how we ended up with Ben McAdoo.
This hire was nothing like the McAdoo hire. First off, we hired a GM first and let him line up candidates.
Secondly, we reportedly did intensive interviews with several candidates - and unlike previous years, information wasn't leaked. At one point, every guy interviewed was mentioned as the favorite.
Third, the Giants went outside the organization and hired a guy who previously had HC coaching experience.
Maybe you don't like the hire, but to call it lazy and inside the box has become like a fucked up meme, posted by morons who neither know what it means nor that it doesn't even fucking apply.
playoff appearances and 1 Super Bowl win.
Am I wrong or hasn't Holmgren done this before and thrown people under the bus?
Holmgren does come off as a dick here.
That plus the fact that its a piece of Myers suggests that it's worth taking all this with a grain of salt.
Actually NO i dont..
does Holgrem know the man NOW or the man 15 years ago...
The Giants lined up candidates last time around as well, including Doug Marrone and ultimately hired Ben McAdoo.
In my mind, the Giants do things in a very lazy and half hearted manner, some of it is loyalty, but most of it is being conservative in their thinking.
They needed a complete reboot this time around and hired a GM, probably because they were familiar and I just don't think this particular coach is head coach material.
I feel some outside the box thinking was required like the Rams did with McVay.
I guess at the end of the day, after the season they had, I was hoping for a completely fresh view of the organization and the potential for doing things a bit differently.
I hope I'm wrong and I probably will be as DG seems different and maybe Shurmur learns from his past coaching experiences.