I wouldn't exactly call it a ringing endorsement - bit of a mixed bag....
“He’s kind of quiet and kind of serious,” Holmgren told the Daily News on Monday night. “I’m not that serious. It’s hard for him to shoot the breeze. He’s really bright and works really hard. He has a good way about him with his staff. I’m disappointed he didn’t come in and talk to me enough. I was down the hall. I wish Pat had done that with me more. They want to do their own thing and don’t want to show they don’t know what is going on. I understand that. I’m really happy for him that it looks like he’s getting another chance.”
A cautionary tale: Holmgren told Shurmur he was letting the media in Cleveland bother him too much. “He read everything. He knew everything that was said,” Holmgren said. “I told him, ‘You can’t let it get to you. Don’t create an adversarial situation.’ I tried to counsel him that way.” |
I should warn everyone it's a Gary Myers story.
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Why wouldn't you care what his opinion is?
Actually NO i dont..
does Holgrem know the man NOW or the man 15 years ago...
It was 2012. What are you doing?
come on now...can he get the job first before we call it a failure?
I'm more interested to see how the Giants go about fixing the holes in the roster more than the coaching vacancies. My only big concern with respect to the coaching changes is whether or not Spags stays or goes. I want nothing to do with him. I don't think he's a very good coordinator. I think he did a decent job with a group of patchwork players in 2007 and that grossly overrated his ability to utilize his personnel properly. If the giants are going to move on from the old regime, I'd really like a clean, fresh start on both sides of the ball.
What exactly was so outside-the-box about hiring McVay compared to Shurmur? His age? Is that it?
The guy has coached some of the worst defenses in recent NFL history with a couple of good years sprinkled in.
Let the new coach pick his staff, if Shurmur keeps Spags only reinforces my fear of this choice.
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Was a shitty GM so
He's got three rings as a coach. He can talk about coaching.
Still a shitty GM whine fav e Shurmur shitty players to work with
Not liking the hire is fine. But taking such an absurd stance is ridiculous.
Um.....swell?
Your impression of why McVay was a good hire was that no one else interviewed him? Am I understanding this properly?
Some of the things I read here...
I'm sorry John Mara's approach to picking coaches and GMs seems very lazy and uninspired to me. He is consistently recycling guys and not giving this organization the obvious change in culture it needs.
I'm not saying that Mcvay was a good hire because nobody else interviewed him.
I'm saying he was a candidate that the Rams obviously did their own research on and was not a mainstream guy that everybody interviewed in last year's coaching carousel.
- He had to deal with installing a new regime with the player lockout in 2011, and a change in ownership in 2012. Combo of poor drafting and organizational transition never really gave him a chance to succeed
- He needs to learn how to negotiate the media a little better
In experience and demeanor, sounds like the perfect combo of a younger Coughlin and Belichick to me. ;-)
I'm sorry John Mara's approach to picking coaches and GMs seems very lazy and uninspired to me. He is consistently recycling guys and not giving this organization the obvious change in culture it needs.
Why can't Shurmur be a culture change? we brought in an outside candidate but you aren't even giving it a chance before stating that things won't change.
Its just weird.
People are going to bitch no matter what they do. Only the pipe dream of Belichick would get universal approval.
The only issue: Can Shurmur do the job?
He texted Holmgren recently saying they may need to talk. “I told him I hope he learns from his first experience,’” Holmgren said.
That's wonderful, but I'm still not sure why it matters.
Ben McAdoo could have been considered an "outside the box" hire when he was brought in initially. He wasn't exactly a super hot commodity.
I get the impression that you just want a less-known quantity, as if that somehow = better.
No.
There's nothing suggesting that it will happen outside of pure speculation.
I just feel the approach is lazy, maybe lazy is the wrong word, maybe the correct word is lack of creativity or stomach to reboot.
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If he brings Spagnuolo back, that's going to sit well with you?
No.
But it might not be his call.
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Are probably going to walk all over this guy. Jeesh
come on now...can he get the job first before we call it a failure?
I know right ? Can't understand the issue with Shurmur with this board. I respect everyone has an opinion but I would like to hear the press conference, I would like to know his plan with our team and who his coordinators are before I decide to jump off the nearest bridge. All I know is he has experience, has had a ton of success with the Minnesota offense with Keenam at QB. Polian thinks highly of him. He may not be sexy but sexy doesn't always win you championships. Coughlin wasn't a sexy hire. Nor was Parcells. Let him sign the contract and lets listen to the press conference.
I don't really get into what ifs. If it happens we'll see, but right now he hasn't been retained.
The Holmgren coaching tree is very highly regarded. Gruden, Reid, Mariucci, Jauron and others. At one point pretty much any guy who coached under him in GB was a HC candidate. I'm sure he talked to Reid before hiring Shurmur in Cleveland and must have gotten good reviews. I'd feel better if he were more positive but part of it may be butt-hurt that the Giants didn't call him for input. Not sure why they didn't reach out but there might be a bit of tension between the Giants and the Walsh-Holmgren-Reid line of coaches.
A thin skin is not going work well in NY and most feedback has been is that Shurmur is quiet and introverted.
I think Mara got too caught up in a guy that can fix the offense and looked passed a lot of other factors.
How is this guy ever going to control OBJ?
How can anyone here say it was a lazy hire? You don't think Mara, Tisch, Gettleman and Abrams have contacts and placed calls to get an opinion on him being "thin skinned"? They are more than well aware of what went on in Cleveland. I'm willing to bet they questioned whether he can handle the media right to his face.
Do you see how everyone is praising Coughlin for changing the culture in Jacksonville? Gettleman is going to do the same. No more bullshit. He made a point of putting the whole roster on notice by releasing Hart. The Giants way everyone wants to get rid of won us 4 super bowls. I don't see a need to completely change the organization. Fact is, our team had a pretty big talent problem and a huge coaching problem. The coaching problem is gone. The GM is gone. They hired the best available GM by far who has a track record that blows almost everyone else away. Every organization he was with won at the time.
I'm not sitting here saying Shurmur is the next Belichick. Personally, i would have preferred Wilks. But, Shurmur was a hot commodity all over the league. The Cardinals wanted to hire him and the Titans apparently liked him too. Let's be patient.
when Gettleman was in the building (1998-2012): 4 losing seasons
No Gettleman: 4 losing seasons in 5 years
Gettleman hired him, Greg - so, you know.. by extension.
Lazy!
Maybe thats why he got the job, he agreed to do that. lol
I just feel the approach is lazy, maybe lazy is the wrong word, maybe the correct word is lack of creativity or stomach to reboot.
It remains to be seen if Gettleman is lazy? Who exactly did you want to be our new GM?
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Things can be misconstrued in print, basically, I'm unhappy about the organization not completely bringing in fresh new faces. I would have liked to see everything revamped with executives and coaches with no ties to the Giants in the past.
I just feel the approach is lazy, maybe lazy is the wrong word, maybe the correct word is lack of creativity or stomach to reboot.
It remains to be seen if Gettleman is lazy? Who exactly did you want to be our new GM?
Anyone who no one else wanted, apparently.
Again, I just preferred an entire new vision and way of doing things.
I'll be happier with Shurmur if there are no holdovers from BM's staff especially Spags and Quinn.
As for being a hot commodity, I think he was 3rd out of 3 of the coaches everybody wanted.
Here's an idea for thinking outside the box: how 'bout we hire a women's field hockey coach?
He's too meek and mild? His former GM, Holmgren, said he was a hard ass too often and needed to lighten up.
WCO? Oh the horror. Only almost every offense in the f*cking league uses some elements of the WCO.
Did the last play against the Saints that got the Vikings into the NFC championship (with journeymen QB and RBs) look like the dreaded WCO?
BBI is going to break the Crazy Meter!
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Are probably going to walk all over this guy. Jeesh
Did you actually read the article??? He's saying exactly the opposite, that Shurmur was too much of a hard ass to the players.
Yes.
- He had to deal with installing a new regime with the player lockout in 2011, and a change in ownership in 2012. Combo of poor drafting and organizational transition never really gave him a chance to succeed
- He needs to learn how to negotiate the media a little better
In experience and demeanor, sounds like the perfect combo of a younger Coughlin and Belichick to me. ;-)
Actually reading the articles is an exciting concept. More should try that around here. :)
Again, I just preferred an entire new vision and way of doing things.
I'll be happier with Shurmur if there are no holdovers from BM's staff especially Spags and Quinn.
As for being a hot commodity, I think he was 3rd out of 3 of the coaches everybody wanted.
I also want a new staff. Thing is, we will not know who was the best candidate of the bunch until years down the road. Changes definitely needed to be made.
-- A coach doesn't have to be a hardass."Be yourself... if you have a good design and can get players to play, you have a chance."
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Gettleman has a proven track record and has shown to be a solid GM, and they are going with Shurmur who has NO Giant ties at all. I dont understand the rhetoric of some saying that they have been lazy in their hires. The Giants interviewed a couple of candidates for the GM job (one with zero Giant ties) and several candidates for the Head Coach job (most without Giant ties). They have landed on the 2 they think are best of the job.
Somewhere in the middle is the reality.
And I would just hope he can coach and lead. If it is him....or whoever.
He also gave him few, if any, decent players to work with.
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Are probably going to walk all over this guy. Jeesh
Did you actually read the article??? He's saying exactly the opposite, that Shurmur was too much of a hard ass to the players.
I read it that Shurmur needed to lighten up with the media, not the players