I wouldn't exactly call it a ringing endorsement - bit of a mixed bag....
“He’s kind of quiet and kind of serious,” Holmgren told the Daily News on Monday night. “I’m not that serious. It’s hard for him to shoot the breeze. He’s really bright and works really hard. He has a good way about him with his staff. I’m disappointed he didn’t come in and talk to me enough. I was down the hall. I wish Pat had done that with me more. They want to do their own thing and don’t want to show they don’t know what is going on. I understand that. I’m really happy for him that it looks like he’s getting another chance.”
A cautionary tale: Holmgren told Shurmur he was letting the media in Cleveland bother him too much. “He read everything. He knew everything that was said,” Holmgren said. “I told him, ‘You can’t let it get to you. Don’t create an adversarial situation.’ I tried to counsel him that way.” |
I should warn everyone it's a Gary Myers story.
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If he brings Spagnuolo back, that's going to sit well with you?
Maybe thats why he got the job, he agreed to do that. lol
And maybe he told the Giants brass that he wanted Spags as his D coordinator. If memory serves me correctly, they worked together not only in Philly, but in STL as well
Only if he can build a blitz package that works, and/or a we get a MLB that recognizes QUICKLY that its a pass play and drops into the middle quickly to break up/ cover the quick slant over the middle on 3rd down that have kept other teams drives going.
Pete44 : 11:30 am : link : reply
Things can be misconstrued in print, basically, I'm unhappy about the organization not completely bringing in fresh new faces. I would have liked to see everything revamped with executives and coaches with no ties to the Giants in the past.
I just feel the approach is lazy, maybe lazy is the wrong word, maybe the correct word is lack of creativity or stomach to reboot.
What kind of "fresh faces" are you looking for? Shurmur's ties to the Giants are very loose. He was OC for Spags 6 jobs ago! Hell, using the stale faced routine, none of the interviewees were fresh. Wilks worked with Gettleman, Patricia and McD worked with BB.
Fuck, Sean McVay's relative presided over The Fumble!
I swear people not only bitch just for the sake of bitching, but they don't even make any fucking sense while doing it.
How about some more buzzwords like "lazy" "inside the box" "tired" that pretty much don't even apply here and are used in place of actual facts?
Also, I hate the bias against introverts, there are plenty of studies that show introverts are capable of being better leaders than most extroverts. They are more willing to listen and consider options instead of arrogant, impulse decisions. Read the book Quiet by Susan Cain.
The fact he took the media backlash to heart is concerning, but again, seven years ago, plenty of time to improve on that. And with how fast media works nowadays I wouldn’t be surprised if most players and coaches let it affect them a little too much, it’s hard not to as humans. And I disagree that the GM or coaching search has been ‘lazy.’ The last round was lazy by not firing Reese along with Coughlin and hiring Ben. I was iffy on him being the hire but wanted to give the team the benefit of the doubt..this feels like a brand new start like 2004. Only thing I’d be upset about is bringing Spags back onto the staff, which is possible, but I think all of the stink needs to be removed from the last few years.
If you want to look at things with rose colored glasses feel free.
The bottom line is the jury is out and I could be completely wrong, but if it turns out they hired DG and Shurmur so Eli could still be the QB, not draft a QB at #2 and Spags and Quinn keep their jobs, then you look like a complete a moron for lauding these moves.
Gettlemen. What has he said, what has he done? The answers to these question give us our best insight on to what he might do. I would think the new HC will get input as well. I am going to assume for the sake of discussion Shurmur gets input here as well.
Gettlemen likes “Hog Mollies” his actions as GM seem to back up his words. I think he spends draft picks(more than 1) for both the OL and DL. I think this works well with Shurmur as HC. Gettlemen does not like to give up on talent. How many humans on this planet can cover NFL receivers man to man? Jenkins stays because he still does what he is paid for, very well. I expect us to sign FA OL and DL. He is going to be driven to prove he can "find" another Norwell or O'Hara.
Gettlemen likes to grind tape. What does he see when he studies Eli? I am going to guess here, best anyone can do is GUESS. I think he sees the same arm talent that he always had. He might be a notch slower making decisions. I think he sees a QB that is below average in accuracy. What Shurmur wants here will count heavily. You don’t bring in a QB guru coach and not listen to him. My guess is they try to free up some money with Eli(re-structure or pay cut depending on what the tape reveals) If Eli is strongly against this, they cut or trade him and use that money to rebuild roster. Shurmur did it with Foles and Keenum, why couldn’t he do it with Webb or a high draft pick.
All of that said. I am a small business owner and have been a hiring manager for most of the last 30 years. I like to hire people when I start and make them loyal to me, develop them. I need people who buy into what I am selling, not people who say “We used to do it this way and it worked fine” I think Free Agents and former draft picks not producing to their level of pay need to be on very short notice. I will often shoot an Indian(not PC to say anymore, sorry, I’m old) I think Gettlemen shoots some Indians to get attention.
Based on his earlier dealings with FA’s I don’t think he breaks the bank for OBJ. If OBJ wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL, he will do it elsewhere. If I had to pick one wild thing that might happen. OBJ gets traded on draft day. Just a hunch, maybe to Indy for the number 3 pick. Luck would sure like to have him.
That's the first mark of a reporter desperate for a story: when you risk burning a bridge in order 2 write a piece, and then the subject wines up calling you on it, it's really the beginning of the end for that reporter.
One of the first things Sal paolantonio instructed our Sports journalism class on was the need to maintain integrity when interviewing someone for a story. He was asked what happens when a reporter missed quotes or quote something out of context to the point that it does damage to the person interviewed. His response was "it will only happen once." Meaning, after going down that road you will see fewer and fewer people willing to give him a quote again.
Pete44 : 3:39 pm : link : reply
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting on BBI.
You've used pretty much every cliche in the book to voice your dislike. ""Lazy" "in the box", etc.
Yet, as I - and others too - have pointed out, they don't really apply.
Just say you don 't like the hire, but don't lean on a bunch of falsehoods and shitty opinions to say it.
I stopped posting, because I got tired of posters like you who think whatever the Giants do is great and then act like a 5th grade bully if you don't like the opposing viewpoint.
If you don't like my opinion or the way I state it, that is cool, but no need to become parochial.
I don't know if I like the hire or not, only time will tell. However, the moves were very benign and conservative and my interpretation is when you hire a GM that is out of work, partially because of his giant ties, that is lazy. I def don't think they gave the GM search enough time.
As for the coach, if they hired him because he was amenable to keep Eli at QB and keep Spags and Quinn, then that is an issue to me.
Back when they fired Coughlin my issue was not that they fired Coughlin, I actually felt his time was up, but it was that they kept Reese and hired McAdoo. The failure was on everybody for the several straight non playoff years, not just Coughlin.
Again, you are definitely allowed your opinion as I am.