Million $ Question: Do the Giants tweak things or rebuild?

In comment 13792311 gidiefor said:

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and some tweaking - but you have a lot of clues to follow here 1) Gettleman says you do not give up on talent -- therefore: - Flowers has a chance to stay - but he may be moved (tweak) - Apple has already been told he has a clean slate (no change there) - RBs in contract can compete - - Pugh and Richburg he will evaluate -- but likely gone as their value is likely not in sync with the money they will command -- painful moves but could be addition by subtraction - Jerry will compete but is probably expendable - Snacks and Tomlinson aren't going anywhere - Engram and Ellison aren't going anywhere - Beckham and Shep aren't going anywhere - Gettleman is not getting rid of Beckham - he's going to get his contract -- see John Mara - Jackrabbit gets a year to see if he fits the new regime - LBs Goodson isn't going anywhere yet - will he rehire Kennard? 2) Gettleman has historically gotten rid of aging vets -- so here are your ?marks -- DRC - either takes a cut or is gone imo JPP - too painful to cut in 2018 OV - also too painful to cut in 2018 Eli - not going to be cut in 2018 -- that idea even in modified form cost the last GM and HC their jobs Harris -- likely gone Marshall -- he's a ? The rest of roster and FAs -- I doubt a lot of the FAs are coming back -- that includes Hertz, Berhe, -- maybe Kennard, Cockrell are possibilities to sign Looking at the above issues and the large number of FAs Gettleman has plenty of opportunities to make his stamp on the team by: - signing a slew of shrewd depth players -- adding a couple of beefy mollyhogs -- adding a couple of his kind of LBs -- adding a couple of unheralded CBs -- adding/subtracting an aging vet WR fill in if he decides Marshall has to go - or if Shurmur decides a bunch of the WR fill-ins really have to go -- and a lot of them will/have to there you have it -- some tweaks -- some areas of possible pain -- and get to work on FA before the draft Gettleman has his work cut out for him and it really should be a mixed bag -- but there is a core of talent that will definitely remain and which a winning team can be built from in 2018 I would say gidiefor has spoken -- but that sends all the third party police into a frenzy

Gidie, I agree with everything you say, with perhaps, one minor caveat. Is DRC's contract out of line when you factor in that Apple may not come around, either mentally or with his play on the field?

be surprised if Cockrell isn't resigned. Apple may have a "clean slate," but he's also reaching the end of his safe status as a top 10 pick. DRC may also leave.

They should also take a QB with the 2nd pick but still try to win now as there are pieces in place especially with Eli returning. They need to fix the offensive line, add a LB, and a RB to team with Gallman and they are ready to compete for a playoff spot.

not rebuild. Imo, they should've rebuild now instead of patchwork like last go around

In comment 13792347 paesan98 said:

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Gidie, I agree with everything you say, with perhaps, one minor caveat. Is DRC's contract out of line when you factor in that Apple may not come around, either mentally or with his play on the field?

DRC only played about 1/3 of the snaps last year -- I don't see that increasing -- he's ripe for a salary cut -- Apple will not be allowed to sabotage the team -- Gettleman has a good track record with Drafting CBs -- there are going to be CBs and OLs drafted this year no matter what happens in FA

Also he will sign a vet kicker and a vet punter and there will be a real competition in camp this year -- Everyone has to earn a spot here

In comment 13792131 idiotsavant said:

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So, is what your saying: 'QB hell is not just not having one...its paying top $$ for one who doesn't perform' That makes sense to me.

ABSOLUTELY! If we truly knew that Webb was just another Nassib it would be one thing, but we don't know (or the Giants know and don't want to publicize). I know that both offensive and defensive players are saying good things about Webb, something that only one Giant ever said about Nassib. I could only find one quote on the web, by his college teammate and possibly another former Giant, Justin Pugh saying he could become an NFL QB. Unfortunately, the Browns, Saints, Cowboys all kicked the tires and let him and his sub 47% completion rate go. Think he's currently the #4 QB for Jacksonville Jags...isn't that camp fodder material?

In comment 13792382 gidiefor said:

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In comment 13792347 paesan98 said: Quote: Gidie, I agree with everything you say, with perhaps, one minor caveat. Is DRC's contract out of line when you factor in that Apple may not come around, either mentally or with his play on the field? DRC only played about 1/3 of the snaps last year -- I don't see that increasing -- he's ripe for a salary cut -- Apple will not be allowed to sabotage the team -- Gettleman has a good track record with Drafting CBs -- there are going to be CBs and OLs drafted this year no matter what happens in FA Also he will sign a vet kicker and a vet punter and there will be a real competition in camp this year -- Everyone has to earn a spot here

OK, thanks for the clarification. I don't get to see many games- live near Bumfuck, Egypt (Indianapolis). Chose not to waste my money at the bar this year

In comment 13792311 gidiefor said:

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DRC - either takes a cut or is gone imo JPP - too painful to cut in 2018 OV - also too painful to cut in 2018 Eli - not going to be cut in 2018 -- that idea even in modified form cost the last GM and HC their jobs Harris -- likely gone Marshall -- he's a ?

The idea of cutting Eli in 2018 should be discussed. I don't care where you stand on it, due diligence puts that on the table. I'm personally in the camp that thinks he has a couple of good years in him, just not with our team. 23M is a lot for a placeholder on a team with tons of holes that probably needs those resources. I can understand the argument for keeping him, but this is a real conversation that needs to be discussed at length internally.

they discussed it -- and decided -- not going to happen

to moving on from Eli sooner rather than later. It's more likely than not that he's our starting QB week 1, but it's not something I would bank on as certainty.

So we can suck like the Browns and have the first or second pick next year... that makes a of sense dosen't it..lets get rid of Snaks, OV, JPP Landon Collins, DRC, Jackrabbit on defense, Odell Beckham,, Evan Engram, Sterling Sheppard, Wayne Gallman on offense and of course the OVER THE HILL Eli Manning.. then we can rebuild with a new QB taken with the second pick..make sense? Or we could draft the o-lineman we need and a bigger fiercer Running back and let that old Goat Eli Manning run the offense, and add some fast linebackers and perhaps a safety on defense.. but then we will not have that Next GUARANTEED franchise QB you hear about on the NEWS. I dont know about any of you but I do not believe our next great Franchise is THREE YEARS FROM NOW. We have the foundation of it RIGHT NOW. Webb is in the plans and he is working hard to replace Eli when that becomes necessary.

I expect them to go QB at #2, work hard to rebuild the OL, the culture of the locker room, and figure out which big salaries can lose now.

going QB at #2 doesn't necessarily mean the Eli Era ends immediately.

The Eli era is ending before his contract expires. I think drafting a QB at 2 means you are addressing Eli this offseason or next. There's no precedent for a QB drafted that high sitting for 2 years in the modern era. So you are putting Eli on the clock.

Assessing your priorities and the question at hand in this thread, is it better to do so now than next offseason?

In comment 13792124 Go Terps said:

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Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither.

Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen.

In comment 13792561 JonC said:

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going QB at #2 doesn't necessarily mean the Eli Era ends immediately.

I think the Giants will take a QB at #2, but I'm not as convinced they will as you are. I base my conclusion on Eli's age, it being a QB rich draft, and the fact that most coaches and GMs want their own QB. Webb was picked by a prior regime.

But if the Browns pick Darnold, that leaves the Giants with Rosen and Allen. His talent notwithstanding, Rosen may be excluded because of his injury history and off the field comments. Allen is too raw for the #2 pick, although that's who I would take if forced to choose between the three. That would leave Barkley or a trade down.

Even if the Giants don't think Webb is Eli's successor, they may not also think that any QB is worthy of the #2 pick. The Giants could also use a day two pick on a QB to compete with Webb. My sleeper is Benkert from UVA.

you think Gettleman would think hard about Barkley at 2?

In comment 13792668 AcidTest said:

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In comment 13792561 JonC said: Quote: going QB at #2 doesn't necessarily mean the Eli Era ends immediately. I think the Giants will take a QB at #2, but I'm not as convinced they will as you are. I base my conclusion on Eli's age, it being a QB rich draft, and the fact that most coaches and GMs want their own QB. Webb was picked by a prior regime. But if the Browns pick Darnold, that leaves the Giants with Rosen and Allen. His talent notwithstanding, Rosen may be excluded because of his injury history and off the field comments. Allen is too raw for the #2 pick, although that's who I would take if forced to choose between the three. That would leave Barkley or a trade down. Even if the Giants don't think Webb is Eli's successor, they may not also think that any QB is worthy of the #2 pick. The Giants could also use a day two pick on a QB to compete with Webb. My sleeper is Benkert from UVA.

I don't think they'll force a QB, but I don't think Webb's presence plays a role either.

I'd concur a long look at Barkley or seek to trade down and secure Connor Williams if he rises could wind up the best option if no QB at #2.

But I think its mainly tweaks with the exception of a few positions. You have to look at key factors here.

1. We brought back Gettleman who has a bit of a reputation as a henchman. He'll make the tough decisions.

2. Shurmur has success with the OL and with QBs. Both of which are what separated him from other candidates.


Obviously they'll blow up the entire OL and they'll use a lot of our assets to repair it.

4 of the last 5 seasons we've had losing records.. Thats with Eli at the helm. If they have the intention of drafting a QB with the second overall pick (which is a very safe bet) they will move on from Eli. I think some fans need to better prepare themselves for that.

Shurmur will have the 2nd overall pick, Davis Webb, and more than likely they add a vet like Bradford to help bridge the gap. Much like they did with Warner/Eli.

The defensive philosophy throughout the organization needs to change. And by that I mean, we need to understand the importance of LBs to a defense. Then we need to add quality depth along the dline. Both of which really hindered our Defense this past season.

In comment 13792382 gidiefor said:

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DRC only played about 1/3 of the snaps last year -- I don't see that increasing -- he's ripe for a salary cut

Agree with most of your points but DRC at only 33% defensive snaps didn't sound right.

Actually played 55% of defensive snaps in 2017. And adjusting for one game he was suspended would put the figure near 60%. Not that much of a drop from 2016's 66%.

Defense: No LBs AT ALL. Nothing real at FS. Corners are all ?? due to age (DRC), attitude (Jenkins, more so Apple), FA (Cockrell). DEs are not good and overpaid, probably can't be cut. DT ans SS the only + positions they have right now.

Offense: Line a mess. Flowers probably gets 1 more chance. Pugh and Richburg prob gone and aren't very good anyway. WRs Beckham a mega talent IF he learns to behave. ANd he may not stay. Shepard a good support/slot guy, Then what? TE a + position. RBs Gallman may be a good NFL back but not a a star. PErkins regressed. Darkwa not worth keeping. I keep Eli even if they draft a QB. Rookie scale does not make that prohibitive.

ST: Both kickers stink.

They already are in rebuild mode.

In comment 13792037 Eric from BBI said:

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I'm playing devil's advocate, but isn't the 11-5 season the outlier at this point?

Yes it most definitely is

In comment 13792434 gidiefor said:

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they discussed it -- and decided -- not going to happen

Had not read that..link? You think they told the HC candidates, "Eli is going to be on our payroll regardless of which QB you believe gives us the best chance to win. He is not getting cut, traded or demoted."

that doesn't believe 2016 was an outlier.

2015 - basically the same team went 6-10 and if not for just clear cut bad game management, we beat Atlanta, New Orleans, Jets, and beat the Pats if Collins catches that INT. Yes, we went 6-10, but the team wasn't that far off from being good.

In comment 13792734 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 13792434 gidiefor said: Quote: they discussed it -- and decided -- not going to happen Had not read that..link? You think they told the HC candidates, "Eli is going to be on our payroll regardless of which QB you believe gives us the best chance to win. He is not getting cut, traded or demoted."

Honestly, that statement sounds more like wishful thinking. Fact remains, Mara signed off on benching Eli Manning. Lets not omit that.

Who wold take him in a Trade? Some say Jacksonville. I say our D has the personal to be like Jax only with Eli as the QB instead of Bortles

Back to Eric’s original question rebuild or tweek. Also, it seems Eric is asking, “What do you think the Giants will do” not “What should the Giants do” These are 2 different questions that often get confused here.

Gettlemen. What has he said, what has he done? The answers to these question give us our best insight on to what he might do. I would think the new HC will get input as well. I am going to assume for the sake of discussion Shurmur gets input here as well.

Gettlemen likes “Hog Mollies” his actions as GM seem to back up his words. I think he spends draft picks(more than 1) for both the OL and DL. I think this works well with Shurmur as HC. Gettlemen does not like to give up on talent. How many humans on this planet can cover NFL receivers man to man? Jenkins stays because he still does what he is paid for, very well. I expect us to sign FA OL and DL. He is going to be driven to prove he can "find" another Norwell or O'Hara.

Gettlemen likes to grind tape. What does he see when he studies Eli? I am going to guess here, best anyone can do is GUESS. I think he sees the same arm talent that he always had. He might be a notch slower making decisions. I think he sees a QB that is below average in accuracy. What Shurmur wants here will count heavily. You don’t bring in a QB guru coach and not listen to him. My guess is they try to free up some money with Eli(re-structure or pay cut depending on what the tape reveals) If Eli is strongly against this, they cut or trade him and use that money to rebuild roster. Shurmur did it with Foles and Keenum, why couldn’t he do it with Webb or a high draft pick.

All of that said. I am a small business owner and have been a hiring manager for most of the last 30 years. I like to hire people when I start and make them loyal to me, develop them. I need people who buy into what I am selling, not people who say “We used to do it this way and it worked fine” I think Free Agents and former draft picks not producing to their level of pay need to be on very short notice. I will often shoot an Indian(not PC to say anymore, sorry, I’m old) I think Gettlemen shoots some Indians to get attention.

Based on his earlier dealings with FA’s I don’t think he breaks the bank for OBJ. If OBJ wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL, he will do it elsewhere. If I had to pick one wild thing that might happen. OBJ gets traded on draft day. Just a hunch, maybe to Indy for the number 3 pick. Luck would sure like to have him.

In comment 13791936 robbieballs2003 said:

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that if he told Mara he would need X amount of years to turn this around that he probably wouldn't get the job. Call it what you want but I would imagine that both Gettleman and Shurmur are not thinking about rebuilding at the expense of losing next year or the year after. They will do what they think will have them succeeding at a championship level soon than most would think. That doesn't mean he will not cut some high priced players. Gettleman's first goal is to reestablish a winning culture.

Very good point, I was going to comment along similar lines.

Going back to Eric's original post, I expect Gettlemen will do a mix of tweak and rebuild.

He will get contracts/locker room under control. But I could see something of a rebuild on the offensive line and possibly at LB.

I expect us to draft a QB early and to have him playing by mid-season next year; given that, it's a rebuild of sorts.

But I expect us to also invest heavily and quickly in the Oline, so that our offense quickly becomes more multidimensional. I also expect us to land a LB or two, so that the middle and intermediate areas of the field aren't devoid of talent.

With those changes I think that we can be relatively respectable next year, and back in contention in 2 seasons.

such as Vernon, but really only a few well paid players who are dead weight, such as Harris or Marshall. JPP's last year was dreadfully pathetic, but I wouldn't give up on him yet. He may still bring something to the field knowing from here on out any year could be his last highly paid year.

There's not a lot of players you would question whether or not to cut. On this roster, there's a lot of players who obviously need an upgrade, so you're likely to see a lot of turnover, even if there aren't a lot of sexy moves.

You also have some FA who simply aren't worth bringing back at the price they'll want, such as Pugh.

Bottom line is that this team has a lot of room for improvement. 'Blow it up and rebuild' is what you do when you have a lot of aging vets past their prime. We've got a bunch of players who never had a prime.

In comment 13792916 Thegratefulhead said:

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Based on his earlier dealings with FA’s I don’t think he breaks the bank for OBJ. If OBJ wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL, he will do it elsewhere. If I had to pick one wild thing that might happen. OBJ gets traded on draft day. Just a hunch, maybe to Indy for the number 3 pick. Luck would sure like to have him.

The only time what you're referencing to happened in Carolina was with Norman. Norman is nowhere near the talent that Odell is.

In comment 13792382 gidiefor said:

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In comment 13792347 paesan98 said: Quote: Gidie, I agree with everything you say, with perhaps, one minor caveat. Is DRC's contract out of line when you factor in that Apple may not come around, either mentally or with his play on the field? DRC only played about 1/3 of the snaps last year -- I don't see that increasing -- he's ripe for a salary cut -- Apple will not be allowed to sabotage the team -- Gettleman has a good track record with Drafting CBs -- there are going to be CBs and OLs drafted this year no matter what happens in FA Also he will sign a vet kicker and a vet punter and there will be a real competition in camp this year -- Everyone has to earn a spot here

DRC played 54.9 percent of defensive snaps and 33.8 percent of specials teams snaps.

In comment 13792639 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13792124 Go Terps said: Quote: Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither. Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen.

That's exactly what I would do.

last season - they can't get much younger. They'll tweak.

In comment 13792993 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13792916 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: Based on his earlier dealings with FA’s I don’t think he breaks the bank for OBJ. If OBJ wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL, he will do it elsewhere. If I had to pick one wild thing that might happen. OBJ gets traded on draft day. Just a hunch, maybe to Indy for the number 3 pick. Luck would sure like to have him. The only time what you're referencing to happened in Carolina was with Norman. Norman is nowhere near the talent that Odell is.

He let popular FA players walk that thought they worth more than he did. Yes Odell is WAY WAY better, but Odell wants more money than a QB. How does that fit on our roster with JPP, Vernon, and Eli. We cannot fit anymore overpaid players. Odell is one soft tissue injury away from being irrelevant. He lose that burst and he is just a guy, doesn't JJones or Megatron's size. I would not make Odell the NFL highest paid receiver never mind the highest paid player like he wants.

In comment 13793189 Go Terps said:

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In comment 13792639 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13792124 Go Terps said: Quote: Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither. Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen. That's exactly what I would do.

Only 6 times has a team with QB that takes up more than 10% of the cap won a Super Bowl.

1994: Young
1996: Favre
2006: Peyton
2011: Eli
2014: Brady
2015: Peyton

In comment 13793201 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 13792993 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13792916 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: Based on his earlier dealings with FA’s I don’t think he breaks the bank for OBJ. If OBJ wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL, he will do it elsewhere. If I had to pick one wild thing that might happen. OBJ gets traded on draft day. Just a hunch, maybe to Indy for the number 3 pick. Luck would sure like to have him. The only time what you're referencing to happened in Carolina was with Norman. Norman is nowhere near the talent that Odell is. He let popular FA players walk that thought they worth more than he did. Yes Odell is WAY WAY better, but Odell wants more money than a QB. How does that fit on our roster with JPP, Vernon, and Eli. We cannot fit anymore overpaid players. Odell is one soft tissue injury away from being irrelevant. He lose that burst and he is just a guy, doesn't JJones or Megatron's size. I would not make Odell the NFL highest paid receiver never mind the highest paid player like he wants.

Which popular FA? He lost his job because he wanted to move on from older high priced vets like Davis, Smith and Olsen.

And any player is one soft tissue injury away from being irrelevant. Heck, any player could be irrelevant after the first play of preseason next year due to a hit.

In comment 13792639 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13792124 Go Terps said: Quote: Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither. Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen.

I would, getting paid the same as Brady but WAY WAY less production. Antonio Brown have ring? Julio Jones? Calvin Johnson? Owens? Moss? Great WR make great highlights, sell lots of jersey's. In a salary cap league my money would be spent on the QB and both lines. If we make OBJ the highest paid player in the league be prepared to suck until he is gone, too much resources in a wideout.

In comment 13793227 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 13792639 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13792124 Go Terps said: Quote: Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither. Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen. I would, getting paid the same as Brady but WAY WAY less production. Antonio Brown have ring? Julio Jones? Calvin Johnson? Owens? Moss? Great WR make great highlights, sell lots of jersey's. In a salary cap league my money would be spent on the QB and both lines. If we make OBJ the highest paid player in the league be prepared to suck until he is gone, too much resources in a wideout.

See above. Only 5 QBs have won a title having hire than 10% of the cap. You can make that case for any position

In comment 13793233 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13793227 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: In comment 13792639 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13792124 Go Terps said: Quote: Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither. Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen. I would, getting paid the same as Brady but WAY WAY less production. Antonio Brown have ring? Julio Jones? Calvin Johnson? Owens? Moss? Great WR make great highlights, sell lots of jersey's. In a salary cap league my money would be spent on the QB and both lines. If we make OBJ the highest paid player in the league be prepared to suck until he is gone, too much resources in a wideout. See above. Only 5 QBs have won a title having hire than 10% of the cap. You can make that case for any position

You will find exactly ZERO WRs which is the point. A small, diva WR prone(not fair but he has missed games)to injury cannot be paid like a QB if you expect to compete in a salary cap league. I am not an OBJ hater. 14-15 million/ year for 4-5 sign me up....If he is thinking 20 per...GTFO.

In comment 13793251 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 13793233 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13793227 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: In comment 13792639 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13792124 Go Terps said: Quote: Is it a good idea to pay a WR what figures to be $18M-$20M a year for 4 or 5 years? This isn't proof of anything, but the highest cap number of any WR still alive in these playoffs is Brandin Cooks at $8.459M. He is in the last year of his rookie deal. Does anyone think the Patriots will give him a big contract? Me neither. Three of the four QBs left have small cap hits. Maybe they should cut Eli and start Rosen. I would, getting paid the same as Brady but WAY WAY less production. Antonio Brown have ring? Julio Jones? Calvin Johnson? Owens? Moss? Great WR make great highlights, sell lots of jersey's. In a salary cap league my money would be spent on the QB and both lines. If we make OBJ the highest paid player in the league be prepared to suck until he is gone, too much resources in a wideout. See above. Only 5 QBs have won a title having hire than 10% of the cap. You can make that case for any position You will find exactly ZERO WRs which is the point. A small, diva WR prone(not fair but he has missed games)to injury cannot be paid like a QB if you expect to compete in a salary cap league. I am not an OBJ hater. 14-15 million/ year for 4-5 sign me up....If he is thinking 20 per...GTFO.

Or he can, if you have a QB on a rookie contract. Having a QB taking up over 10% of your cap has only won when the QB was Hall of Famer.

In comment 13793193 eclipz928 said:

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last season - they can't get much younger. They'll tweak.

6th youngest
In theory, the players should get better. But, in reality, how many of our guys 25 and younger do we have faith of actually becoming very good players?
Looking at the roster page, I counted just 4: Shep, Collins, Engram, and Tomlinson. That’s not nearly enough.

He’s going to make the moves he thinks will build a winning team.

It’s a virtual certainty some of his decisions will be met with derision by that special group on BBI who actually believe they know more than the 32 people on earth who are actually paid by the NFL to be General Managers. Like whatever his decision is with Eli.

if they can get their heads out of their collective asses!
I wouldn't say they need a total rebuild, but a retooling for sure. If that includes moving on from Eli, so be it.
I am not sure how some can say Rosen is ready to start in
this league as well, you have no clue util you see him perform in the NFL. What he did in the PAC-12, doesn't matter at the next level. He could be the most pro ready,
still you have to see it. I think it would be silly not
to go QB at No. 2 however.

First rate! The DE situation is a real challenge. The two overpaid starters are no longer true assets -- so what to do about the position? Of course, the OL, LB, and S situations are not easy to fix either.

In comment 13793719 Carson53 said:

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if they can get their heads out of their collective asses! I wouldn't say they need a total rebuild, but a retooling for sure. If that includes moving on from Eli, so be it. I am not sure how some can say Rosen is ready to start in this league as well, you have no clue util you see him perform in the NFL. What he did in the PAC-12, doesn't matter at the next level. He could be the most pro ready, still you have to see it. I think it would be silly not to go QB at No. 2 however.

even if the QBs aren't rated worthy of a #2 overall?

In comment 13793789 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13793719 Carson53 said: Quote: if they can get their heads out of their collective asses! I wouldn't say they need a total rebuild, but a retooling for sure. If that includes moving on from Eli, so be it. I am not sure how some can say Rosen is ready to start in this league as well, you have no clue util you see him perform in the NFL. What he did in the PAC-12, doesn't matter at the next level. He could be the most pro ready, still you have to see it. I think it would be silly not to go QB at No. 2 however. even if the QBs aren't rated worthy of a #2 overall?

Says who exactly? They are no worse than what has been coming out in recent years in my book.
People can quibble with that if they like, that's just
the way I see it...

he puts extra pressure on the team to get better O line talent to protect him, and that makes him a burden...

suppose we pass on a QB in round 1 in the hope that Eli can play better for a new head coach and we pick a different position and Eli flops again because he's just too old and the game has passed him by like it does for every QB who ever played the position, then we've wasted the opportunity to get a round 1 franchise QB, then what...