Spags? players respect him and hes done well except for one season. Id love to see him as DC again and get rid of idiots like Apple. Need to draft some legit LBs as well and things will change.
Why do you seem to place no blame on Spags for the crap show that occurred all year with Apple, Jenkins, and DRC? Certainly I agree that Tim Walton needs to be kicked out of the building Jazz style from Fresh Prince, but don't you place any blame on the man at the top?
Aside from 2007, 2008, and 2016 - every other defense or team that Spags has coached as a DC or HC has been awful. His results are wildly inconsistent because he can't win without Pro Bowlers all over the place.
Spags? players respect him and hes done well except for one season. Id love to see him as DC again and get rid of idiots like Apple. Need to draft some legit LBs as well and things will change.
No, he really hasn't done well "except for one season". He's really done well for 3 seasons - 2007, 2008 and 2016. Every other year, he has had bottom 10 defenses. Now his apologists will come up with all kinds of reasons why his defenses sucked, but you are what your record says you are, and his record says that he is a mediocre DC.
The Giants should not lose site of the fact that as bad as the offense was last year, the defense was terrible and had far fewer excuses. Most of the personality problems were also on the defensive side of the ball.
I like Spags... He seems like a good guy. But his defense in NY has been atrocious as much as it has been good.
Agree 100. The defense was where most of the mutinous BS happened. Need someone else there. Was honestly one of the reasons I was interested in Wilks, who seemed to have the kind of rep that might make it reasonable to expect he could rein that crap in.
but it cant be ignored anymore that his defenses have been mostly bad. On top of that all the internal issues were on his side of the ball. He has to take some responsibilty for that. Im warming to the idea of Del Rio....
And lets not forget that when his defenses are bad, Â
He's being paid by OAK anyway, I'd think he'd take a year off. I would be all in on him for DC, but I would wonder if his head was totally in it so soon after being canned in OAK.
I could forgive blown leads when the defense has spent the overwhelming amount of the game on the field and the offense got stupid lucky in getting some points. What I can't get past is the appearance that the defense quit for a couple weeks and all the drama that came with it. Players don't quit on coaches they respect
This guy has had the Giants last in defense 2 of the 3 seasons he’s been back. Why exactly does he deserve to be back. And considering how Apple DRC and Jenkins acted out, he doesn’t provide much discipline and leadership either.
Is the coach a good x's and o's guy? Does he has strong leadership attributes? Does he earn the respect of his subordinates and his superiors? Is he good at managing his part of the game?
I think for most of these questions, the answer is a resounding yes when it comes to Spags.
The last one you can nitpick a little, but you can't say, truthfully, a hard no, either.
Spags doesn't allow first downs or touchdowns. He doesn't blow coverages or miss assignments. Those are the players. I can see the logic in a new DC, but whether he goes or stays, he is still a good coach. And to defeat the greatest offense in the history of the NFL in the Super Bowl, allowing just 14 points, he should get much more respect than he does around here.
You need the players, and people who ignore the offense's role in the failures of the defense are logic-deficient.
A defensive unit CAN NOT sustain success when the offensive unit is completely inept over a long period of time. It can't happen. The longer the defense is on the field, the more points and yards they are going to surrender, and the more points and yards PER PLAY they are going to surrender. It is called fatigue.
This team must remove all the taint from this miserable last season. We need to remake this team and while I respect Spags, why would you keep the coach that was in charge of the side of the ball that all the in-fighting, leaks, bad attitude and squabbles all came from?
For that matter was anyone actually impressed at all with the Defense this year?
into different social disorders if/when they disagree with you.
If you make negative observations about Beckham's behavior you are "obsessed".
If you question a coaching hire you are "bent out of shape".
If you logically see how a coach might be retained you are "paranoid".
Honestly, seems like nothing more than an easy way to tell yourself you've won an argument. You are great for BBI discussion arc, really.
LOL, what a weird response.
Paranoia is a social disorder?
You asked me a question and I responded. Until I see more concrete evidence that Spagnuolo is returning, I am not going to worry about it. I personally don't think it'll happen. It doesn't seem like it's based on anything but speculation at this point. Why am I going to get crazy over it?
Is the coach a good x's and o's guy? Does he has strong leadership attributes? Does he earn the respect of his subordinates and his superiors? Is he good at managing his part of the game?
I think for most of these questions, the answer is a resounding yes when it comes to Spags.
The last one you can nitpick a little, but you can't say, truthfully, a hard no, either.
Spags doesn't allow first downs or touchdowns. He doesn't blow coverages or miss assignments. Those are the players. I can see the logic in a new DC, but whether he goes or stays, he is still a good coach. And to defeat the greatest offense in the history of the NFL in the Super Bowl, allowing just 14 points, he should get much more respect than he does around here.
You need the players, and people who ignore the offense's role in the failures of the defense are logic-deficient.
A defensive unit CAN NOT sustain success when the offensive unit is completely inept over a long period of time. It can't happen. The longer the defense is on the field, the more points and yards they are going to surrender, and the more points and yards PER PLAY they are going to surrender. It is called fatigue.
I couldn't agree more. Keep the defense off the field as much as possible with a strong offense. And get the right players. When that happens, Spags will do a fine job with the defense.
RE: I like Spags, but I think this team needs entirely new voices/eyes. Â
Spags? players respect him and hes done well except for one season. Id love to see him as DC again and get rid of idiots like Apple. Need to draft some legit LBs as well and things will change.
Except for one season? He has three seasons where his defense was ranked 31st or 32nd, two of which rank among the worst defenses in NFL history.
RE: I like Spags, but I think this team needs entirely new voices/eyes. Â
- James Bettcher
- George Edwards
- Jack Del Rio
- Lovie Smith
- Gus Bradley
- Eric Mangini
Bradley re-signed with the Chargers. Edwards and Bettcher would be huge upgrades over Spags. The Giants need focus on winning instead of sticking with guys like Spags due to loyalty.
Shurmur is an offensive guy and he has a prior relationship with Spags. He also will want to keep some continuity. Since almost every other main assistant gone, the fact that I think Spags hired him in St Louis, he seems to be pretty respected in NFL circles, and the fact that the Mara's like him, all point to keeping Spags. He needs to rock the boat enough on the offensive side of the ball, best to keep things stable on the defense.
What is this infatuation with keeping it in the family, or overlapping tenures of coaches?
Spags initially wouth Couglhlin. McAdoo now with Couglhin and Spags. Couglhin gone, keep reese, keep McAdoo and Spags. Brring Gettleman back. Now McAdoo gone, but Spags stays?
a massive help in cleaning up the mess, I can see them wanting him to stay on but Shurmur needs to capitalize on his 2nd chance or he may not get another.
I heard one of the players (forget which one) say on WFAN Â
They've worked together before and I think Spags is just as good as any DC available right now. I believe in his ability to out-scheme opposing offenses.
Spags got hit with key injuries last year. Both his MLB's went down immediately (Keenan Robinson and B.J. Goodson). KR was a huge loss. JPP got hurt in preseason. JackRabbit f#cked up his ankle week 1. LC playing though a HAS. Then Vernon got hurt. Casillas got hurt. Snacks had a knee.
And on top of it all, Apple went haywire.
Plus everything, EVERYTHING has to be taken in the context of playing for an incompetent boob in Ben McAdoo. Probably the worst coach we've seen in the NFL in a long time.
It was just "one of those years" for Spags. I think with some increased depth and another pass rusher in the mix he can put a great D together. They were humbled last year but there are 6 All Pros on that D.
Maybe the new GM and New HC would have given him more support than McAdoo and Reese but I think It’s time to move on, unless the new HC just HAS TO HAVE him.
The Giants should not lose site of the fact that as bad as the offense was last year, the defense was terrible and had far fewer excuses. Most of the personality problems were also on the defensive side of the ball.
I like Spags... He seems like a good guy. But his defense in NY has been atrocious as much as it has been good.
Love The Spags and he probably would have ben the better choice two years ago(hindsight is 20/20), but even his good defenses were 'bend but don't break'. You never got the feeling that when we took a lead it was 'locked down'. THAT'S the kind of defense I want (who doesn't). Can we get the guy that can give us that?
but I could absolutely see Slade's scenario playing out. Minny wins, New England loses - that gives us a two-week window to explore the situation in New England. Supposedly Kraft, Belichick and Brady will have a sit-down at the end of the season - who knows what may come of that, especially if we make it clear there's a landing spot here for Belichick? It's a one-in-a-million shot, but we'd have absolutely nothing to lose.
Spags came back to work with Coughlin, was retained by McAdoo and possible could be retained again by the new Head Coach.
Has that ever happened before?
Why do you seem to place no blame on Spags for the crap show that occurred all year with Apple, Jenkins, and DRC? Certainly I agree that Tim Walton needs to be kicked out of the building Jazz style from Fresh Prince, but don't you place any blame on the man at the top?
Aside from 2007, 2008, and 2016 - every other defense or team that Spags has coached as a DC or HC has been awful. His results are wildly inconsistent because he can't win without Pro Bowlers all over the place.
No, he really hasn't done well "except for one season". He's really done well for 3 seasons - 2007, 2008 and 2016. Every other year, he has had bottom 10 defenses. Now his apologists will come up with all kinds of reasons why his defenses sucked, but you are what your record says you are, and his record says that he is a mediocre DC.
Part of me hopes this happens just to see so many of you go batshit about it
- James Bettcher
- George Edwards
- Jack Del Rio
- Lovie Smith
- Gus Bradley
- Eric Mangini
I like Spags... He seems like a good guy. But his defense in NY has been atrocious as much as it has been good.
Agree 100. The defense was where most of the mutinous BS happened. Need someone else there. Was honestly one of the reasons I was interested in Wilks, who seemed to have the kind of rep that might make it reasonable to expect he could rein that crap in.
No. Enough already.
Other than with NYG or possibly Balt with Harbaugh, it's likely Spags's career ceiling has fallen to position coach level at this point.
That's just what happens to guys with resumes as failed HC combined with mostly failed coordinator.
Is the coach a good x's and o's guy? Does he has strong leadership attributes? Does he earn the respect of his subordinates and his superiors? Is he good at managing his part of the game?
I think for most of these questions, the answer is a resounding yes when it comes to Spags.
The last one you can nitpick a little, but you can't say, truthfully, a hard no, either.
Spags doesn't allow first downs or touchdowns. He doesn't blow coverages or miss assignments. Those are the players. I can see the logic in a new DC, but whether he goes or stays, he is still a good coach. And to defeat the greatest offense in the history of the NFL in the Super Bowl, allowing just 14 points, he should get much more respect than he does around here.
You need the players, and people who ignore the offense's role in the failures of the defense are logic-deficient.
A defensive unit CAN NOT sustain success when the offensive unit is completely inept over a long period of time. It can't happen. The longer the defense is on the field, the more points and yards they are going to surrender, and the more points and yards PER PLAY they are going to surrender. It is called fatigue.
Other than with NYG or possibly Balt with Harbaugh, it's likely Spags's career ceiling has fallen to position coach level at this point.
That's just what happens to guys with resumes as failed HC combined with mostly failed coordinator.
It's nothing but speculation and paranoia at this point.
I need to see more than a Dan Schneier article saying it "could" happen before I think it's actually going to.
For that matter was anyone actually impressed at all with the Defense this year?
GET NEW BLOOD and turn the damn page
If you make negative observations about Beckham's behavior you are "obsessed".
If you question a coaching hire you are "bent out of shape".
If you logically see how a coach might be retained you are "paranoid".
Honestly, seems like nothing more than an easy way to tell yourself you've won an argument. You are great for BBI discussion arc, really.
If you make negative observations about Beckham's behavior you are "obsessed".
If you question a coaching hire you are "bent out of shape".
If you logically see how a coach might be retained you are "paranoid".
Honestly, seems like nothing more than an easy way to tell yourself you've won an argument. You are great for BBI discussion arc, really.
LOL, what a weird response.
Paranoia is a social disorder?
You asked me a question and I responded. Until I see more concrete evidence that Spagnuolo is returning, I am not going to worry about it. I personally don't think it'll happen. It doesn't seem like it's based on anything but speculation at this point. Why am I going to get crazy over it?
Let me know how you really feel about me, though.
I must have hurt your feelings somewhere along the line. Sorry.
Blah, blah, blah...
There you go again.
Let's call a spade a spade. You're annoyed they're not hiring Wilks and don't like me.
Totally fine!
I'm not here to win a popularity contest and couldn't care less.
Feel free to ignore my posts going forward. It won't bother me at all.
Is the coach a good x's and o's guy? Does he has strong leadership attributes? Does he earn the respect of his subordinates and his superiors? Is he good at managing his part of the game?
I think for most of these questions, the answer is a resounding yes when it comes to Spags.
The last one you can nitpick a little, but you can't say, truthfully, a hard no, either.
Spags doesn't allow first downs or touchdowns. He doesn't blow coverages or miss assignments. Those are the players. I can see the logic in a new DC, but whether he goes or stays, he is still a good coach. And to defeat the greatest offense in the history of the NFL in the Super Bowl, allowing just 14 points, he should get much more respect than he does around here.
You need the players, and people who ignore the offense's role in the failures of the defense are logic-deficient.
A defensive unit CAN NOT sustain success when the offensive unit is completely inept over a long period of time. It can't happen. The longer the defense is on the field, the more points and yards they are going to surrender, and the more points and yards PER PLAY they are going to surrender. It is called fatigue.
I couldn't agree more. Keep the defense off the field as much as possible with a strong offense. And get the right players. When that happens, Spags will do a fine job with the defense.
- James Bettcher
- George Edwards
- Jack Del Rio
- Lovie Smith
- Gus Bradley
- Eric Mangini
I could be wrong, but I think I read/heard last week that Gus Bradley wasn't going anywhere
Except for one season? He has three seasons where his defense was ranked 31st or 32nd, two of which rank among the worst defenses in NFL history.
- James Bettcher
- George Edwards
- Jack Del Rio
- Lovie Smith
- Gus Bradley
- Eric Mangini
Bradley re-signed with the Chargers. Edwards and Bettcher would be huge upgrades over Spags. The Giants need focus on winning instead of sticking with guys like Spags due to loyalty.
They should not bring Spags back.
In comment 13791952 PatersonPlank said:
Until the ink is dry though...
Let me put it a different way... If Minnesota wins... and Jax wins... The needle will come off of the record.
Spags initially wouth Couglhlin. McAdoo now with Couglhin and Spags. Couglhin gone, keep reese, keep McAdoo and Spags. Brring Gettleman back. Now McAdoo gone, but Spags stays?
WTF? At some point, you need a fresh start.
Spags got hit with key injuries last year. Both his MLB's went down immediately (Keenan Robinson and B.J. Goodson). KR was a huge loss. JPP got hurt in preseason. JackRabbit f#cked up his ankle week 1. LC playing though a HAS. Then Vernon got hurt. Casillas got hurt. Snacks had a knee.
And on top of it all, Apple went haywire.
Plus everything, EVERYTHING has to be taken in the context of playing for an incompetent boob in Ben McAdoo. Probably the worst coach we've seen in the NFL in a long time.
It was just "one of those years" for Spags. I think with some increased depth and another pass rusher in the mix he can put a great D together. They were humbled last year but there are 6 All Pros on that D.
Slade's working the phones as we speak, getting the inside scoop from his sources!
I hope we are not rebuilding our defense. with an offense that keeps the other opponents on their toes, then the defensive job is easier.
Maybe the new GM and New HC would have given him more support than McAdoo and Reese but I think It’s time to move on, unless the new HC just HAS TO HAVE him.
I like Spags... He seems like a good guy. But his defense in NY has been atrocious as much as it has been good.
Love The Spags and he probably would have ben the better choice two years ago(hindsight is 20/20), but even his good defenses were 'bend but don't break'. You never got the feeling that when we took a lead it was 'locked down'. THAT'S the kind of defense I want (who doesn't). Can we get the guy that can give us that?