This is why I thought it was hilarious that people swore he'd never work in the NFL again. Massive failures get new jobs in the NFL all the time! Les Steckel was the Vikings version of McAdoo in 1984. He had seven more NFL coaching jobs after that. Rich Kotite was a head coach twice! Cam Cameron was 1-15 in in his only NFL coaching job but then was immediately hired as the Ravens OC and held that position for five years. Hell, Gilbride was 6-16 as a head coach in San Diego and immediately returned to being an OC.
I told a friend before this season started my biggest concern was the Giants delusional HC. McAdoo really believes scoring points is not important. He is an imbecile. A drooling, stuttering, freaky looking idiot. I never thought he would get another NFL job. But the Browns are the Browns. Perfect fit.
This is why I thought it was hilarious that people swore he'd never work in the NFL again. Massive failures get new jobs in the NFL all the time! Les Steckel was the Vikings version of McAdoo in 1984. He had seven more NFL coaching jobs after that. Rich Kotite was a head coach twice! Cam Cameron was 1-15 in in his only NFL coaching job but then was immediately hired as the Ravens OC and held that position for five years. Hell, Gilbride was 6-16 as a head coach in San Diego and immediately returned to being an OC.
Kotite never coached after the Jets.
You could make the case he did a decent job in Philly. Actually won a playoff game there if I am not mistaken.
Does seem to the "different" from what their failing organization has been doing the last 20+ years; they have some nice players, Dorsey, #1&4 picks, almost $100M for FA, and other small but important pluses.
Mc could very well be a great fit for what they may envision their O future to look like.
I may have dumped on him as much as anyone, but A) he likely wasn't really ready to handle players, and record of Y1 masked that, and built false hope,B) failure in Y2 bears out A); C) inflexibility to modify his O to fit players, and lack of depth(really a JR failure; and owner failure to address JRs failure), sealed his fate here.
I wish him well, hope he gets it and hope, for the games sake, that Cleveland becomes relevant again.
Giants are in Cleveland football territory; hope we get their first.
Why would anyone think hes a competent O-co? Someone send McAdoos stats for games without OBJ to the Browns.
And why is this thread pinned? I for one dont give a rats ass about Ben McAdoo. He was a fucking disaster here in NY and in his last pathetic attempt to save his fat ass from certain failure he ended one of the greatest streaks in NYG history and tarnished the legacy of one of our all greatest players. Fuck him.
After the debacle of the last two years would be such a Brownsy thing to do.
The fact he's even being interviewed immediately after his firing is indicative that no matter who the GM is, they immediately shave 50% of their IQ upon arriving in CLE.
No, you really can't make a case that Kotite was decent in Philly
He took over a team that had gone 31-17 over the previous three seasons. He had a couple of good seasons (10-6 and 11-5) with an already good team, then 8-8 and 7-9.
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Amazing that many here still cant see that this season was not one guys fault it was a total organization failure. I for one am hoping he goes on to have a Great NFL coaching career because he rode the iron horse for the failures of way to many others including the fans. If he has to start anew with the Browns then thats not a bad thing this time no one has any expectations of good things. Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
He tried to match their horrible record this season....
not a bad OC under Tom. Might be fine under another offensive minded coach like Jackson. Wouldn't want him to be the driving force for my offense but as an implementer, maybe.
He took over a team that had gone 31-17 over the previous three seasons. He had a couple of good seasons (10-6 and 11-5) with an already good team, then 8-8 and 7-9.
I don't know..that seems pretty decent to me. And won a playoff game that the other guy couldn't do in three chances.......
He was terrible in NY and that ended his career (by choice?)
Amazing that many here still cant see that this season was not one guys fault it was a total organization failure. I for one am hoping he goes on to have a Great NFL coaching career because he rode the iron horse for the failures of way to many others including the fans. If he has to start anew with the Browns then thats not a bad thing this time no one has any expectations of good things. Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
This is why I thought it was hilarious that people swore he'd never work in the NFL again. Massive failures get new jobs in the NFL all the time! Les Steckel was the Vikings version of McAdoo in 1984. He had seven more NFL coaching jobs after that. Rich Kotite was a head coach twice! Cam Cameron was 1-15 in in his only NFL coaching job but then was immediately hired as the Ravens OC and held that position for five years. Hell, Gilbride was 6-16 as a head coach in San Diego and immediately returned to being an OC.
You're right. At first I was saying he's done but logic says mcadoo will get some kind of job in the NFL again. He's probably not a terrible OC... maybe. Would be fun to see him in Cleveland. Exciting times.
Mac did a pretty good job as OC while here, he just wasn't cut out to be HC. Maybe he's a modern day Norv Turner?
depends. Is TC going there too to impose some versatility like he did here? Because the 2014-2015 offense was much different and more diverse that the 2016-17 version
Worsened when he was made HC... does TC deserve more credit, does Sullivan deserve more blame or did McAdoo just fall apart all the way once made the HC?
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Worsened when he was made HC... does TC deserve more credit, does Sullivan deserve more blame or did McAdoo just fall apart all the way once made the HC?
I go back to what the Bengals DC said to Collingsworth before they played the Giants in 16: this is the easiest offense to prepare for that weve faced .
I don't care if another team hires him...as long as he NEVER comes back here ever again. Some coaches have the ability to do the most with the least. Others do the least with the most. I put Mack and Jeff Fisher in the second category. Mack was a good OC ONLY because TC wanted balance. When TC left Mack became a one man wrecking ball with is devotion to the WCO. Shurmur has a reputation for developing QBs. McAdoo has a brief history of destroying QBs. But maybe going to a team that has ZERO wins will be a good landing spot since he was able to produce TWO wins before getting fired here, and he gets a chance to weigh in for the QB of his dreams that was clearly NOT Eli Manning.
he was unprepared, incompetent and over his head. Moe, Larry and Curly offered him the HC job, and he would have been foolish not to take it when offered.
Good luck to him. Experience is the best teacher and adverse experience is the quickest teacher. If he learned something from the debacle here and he can apply it to get an OC spot and rehabilitate himself, God bless.
I don't care if another team hires him...as long as he NEVER comes back here ever again. Some coaches have the ability to do the most with the least. Others do the least with the most. I put Mack and Jeff Fisher in the second category. Mack was a good OC ONLY because TC wanted balance. When TC left Mack became a one man wrecking ball with is devotion to the WCO. Shurmur has a reputation for developing QBs. McAdoo has a brief history of destroying QBs. But maybe going to a team that has ZERO wins will be a good landing spot since he was able to produce TWO wins before getting fired here, and he gets a chance to weigh in for the QB of his dreams that was clearly NOT Eli Manning.
I think it is safe to say McAdoo will never be back with the Giants.
was a total failure this year but deserves some credit for making the 2016 Giants an 11 win team. I have no idea how he did it with that offense. And while he's an offensive guy, the offensive failures were much more a result of Reese being a complete failure for a few years straight than they were McAdoo.
He needed to go, and he annoyed the shit out of me this year, but I wish him well.
was a total failure this year but deserves some credit for making the 2016 Giants an 11 win team. I have no idea how he did it with that offense. And while he's an offensive guy, the offensive failures were much more a result of Reese being a complete failure for a few years straight than they were McAdoo.
He needed to go, and he annoyed the shit out of me this year, but I wish him well.
he gets the job though. The first question he was asked was "What did you think of our QB play this year?" His response - "I'll have to look at the tape"
He was in over his head. He certainly wasnt helped by Reese refusing his requests to cut Hart, contributing to the decline in discipline on the team. And, between the crappy OL and losing every receiver we had by week 5, there was really nothing anyone could have done at that point to avoid the debacle. He clearly wasnt ready for the NY media, and in some ways I feel sorry for him,because he really had no answers while trying to keep his head above water.
McAdoo is actually interviewing for the Odor Control position, not offensive coordinator. He will alternate spraying Febreeze in the locker room with handing out samples of cologne and mouthwash no one wants at his chair adjacent to the mens room sinks.
Mac did a pretty good job as OC while here, he just wasn't cut out to be HC. Maybe he's a modern day Norv Turner?
depends. Is TC going there too to impose some versatility like he did here? Because the 2014-2015 offense was much different and more diverse that the 2016-17 version
My thoughts exactly. Without TCs influence, Ben's offense was one dimensional and ineffective.
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Former #Giants coach Ben McAdoo is interviewing for the #Browns OC job today, source said (as @MaryKayCabot reported).
My wife always pokes fun at the fact that many of these guys simply seem to swap places around the NFL each offseason.
This is why I thought it was hilarious that people swore he'd never work in the NFL again. Massive failures get new jobs in the NFL all the time! Les Steckel was the Vikings version of McAdoo in 1984. He had seven more NFL coaching jobs after that. Rich Kotite was a head coach twice! Cam Cameron was 1-15 in in his only NFL coaching job but then was immediately hired as the Ravens OC and held that position for five years. Hell, Gilbride was 6-16 as a head coach in San Diego and immediately returned to being an OC.
Hope you're right. I want Rosen and if not him, don't want to touch Darnold. I like Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold in that order
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He was always going to get another job.
This is why I thought it was hilarious that people swore he'd never work in the NFL again. Massive failures get new jobs in the NFL all the time! Les Steckel was the Vikings version of McAdoo in 1984. He had seven more NFL coaching jobs after that. Rich Kotite was a head coach twice! Cam Cameron was 1-15 in in his only NFL coaching job but then was immediately hired as the Ravens OC and held that position for five years. Hell, Gilbride was 6-16 as a head coach in San Diego and immediately returned to being an OC.
Kotite never coached after the Jets.
You could make the case he did a decent job in Philly. Actually won a playoff game there if I am not mistaken.
McAdoo is just interviewing..........
I wish him luck. Maybe he will end up in Philly like he was supposed to
Mc could very well be a great fit for what they may envision their O future to look like.
I may have dumped on him as much as anyone, but A) he likely wasn't really ready to handle players, and record of Y1 masked that, and built false hope,B) failure in Y2 bears out A); C) inflexibility to modify his O to fit players, and lack of depth(really a JR failure; and owner failure to address JRs failure), sealed his fate here.
I wish him well, hope he gets it and hope, for the games sake, that Cleveland becomes relevant again.
Giants are in Cleveland football territory; hope we get their first.
And why is this thread pinned? I for one dont give a rats ass about Ben McAdoo. He was a fucking disaster here in NY and in his last pathetic attempt to save his fat ass from certain failure he ended one of the greatest streaks in NYG history and tarnished the legacy of one of our all greatest players. Fuck him.
Points Per game: Giants #31, Browns #32
They would be moving up!
The fact he's even being interviewed immediately after his firing is indicative that no matter who the GM is, they immediately shave 50% of their IQ upon arriving in CLE.
Browns: We haven't scored 30 pts in two years. What can you contribute.
McAdoo: I can easily shave 4 points.
I don't know..that seems pretty decent to me. And won a playoff game that the other guy couldn't do in three chances.......
He was terrible in NY and that ended his career (by choice?)
Hey Ben didn't realize you posted on BBI...
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He was always going to get another job.
This is why I thought it was hilarious that people swore he'd never work in the NFL again. Massive failures get new jobs in the NFL all the time! Les Steckel was the Vikings version of McAdoo in 1984. He had seven more NFL coaching jobs after that. Rich Kotite was a head coach twice! Cam Cameron was 1-15 in in his only NFL coaching job but then was immediately hired as the Ravens OC and held that position for five years. Hell, Gilbride was 6-16 as a head coach in San Diego and immediately returned to being an OC.
You're right. At first I was saying he's done but logic says mcadoo will get some kind of job in the NFL again. He's probably not a terrible OC... maybe. Would be fun to see him in Cleveland. Exciting times.
depends. Is TC going there too to impose some versatility like he did here? Because the 2014-2015 offense was much different and more diverse that the 2016-17 version
Geno Smith is like Mark Sanchez, Michael Vick, and the McCowns. If you have them on your roster, they will start games for you. Like it or not.
You mean the extra extra extra large suit?
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his interview?
You mean the extra extra extra large suit?
Either that one, or his other extra extra extra large suit.
Ugh, so we wouldn't even get any benefit for the dumpster fire of a season he caused and would be stuck with Rosen?
If he gets the job that is.
I go back to what the Bengals DC said to Collingsworth before they played the Giants in 16: this is the easiest offense to prepare for that weve faced .
Good luck to him. Experience is the best teacher and adverse experience is the quickest teacher. If he learned something from the debacle here and he can apply it to get an OC spot and rehabilitate himself, God bless.
I think it is safe to say McAdoo will never be back with the Giants.
He needed to go, and he annoyed the shit out of me this year, but I wish him well.
He needed to go, and he annoyed the shit out of me this year, but I wish him well.
Good post
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Mac did a pretty good job as OC while here, he just wasn't cut out to be HC. Maybe he's a modern day Norv Turner?
depends. Is TC going there too to impose some versatility like he did here? Because the 2014-2015 offense was much different and more diverse that the 2016-17 version
My thoughts exactly. Without TCs influence, Ben's offense was one dimensional and ineffective.