I’ve been scouring twitter since the steeler game and I’m struck by the outpouring of love from Jags fans to him and how they basically view him as savior of the franchise. People can quibble with how much credit he actually deserves there and how many players he acquired, but the owner has made it clear he is the boss, the coach answers to him, he instills the culture. And look at it from a Jags fan perspective... he is their first coach, the tie to the glory years and 2 afc title games. There is the nostalgia that comes with that. Then of course he returns and after a decade of futility they instantly transform, no matter how you want to divide the credit that indeed happened.
I guess what I’m saying is the point of this post is that Coughlin holds a place in Jags lore that is at least on par if not greater than what he holds here. He basically is the historical face of the Jags franchise in the eyes on their fans. He never sold his home there. He always kept ties. He will want to hold onto this job as long as he can. It’s rare you see a guy who holds such a high place with 2 organizations. Of course it helps that the Jags history is limited
Not sure why it matters.
He won 2 Championships here. I couldn't care less about "lore" or what his role is now.
I give it maybe two years before Doug Marrone gets tired of being made to look like the hapless errand boy just along for the ride.
And the GM who drafted most of these players yet now almost never is mentioned when people talk about the team.
Coughlin will get the credit for that as well, I'm sure - considering his Super Bowl history against them.
Maybe the Jags build a statue of him if they win it all. I think it is great, why would any Giant fan not like Coughlin?
I reached out to the Giants in search of something to put in her room.
TC wrote her a long and personal letter. And called and followed up with notes and letters for months afterwards. Never met her. Never would. He was not asked. He was not rewarded. wrote and spoke to her about courage and dealing with trying times. It made a difference. It made a big difference. Seeing her smile and cry in relief when she opened that first letter....wow.
So to me...im happy his works somehow have a karmic outcome. Too often life does not work that way.
Thanks for the thread. Weird you get shit for a thread on a site filled with so so so much better threads.
Have Mara and Tisch attempted to mend fences? TC seems like a guy who can hold a grunge.
the point is its a rare thing. Is Holgrem revered in Seattle? What about Parcells in NE or Dallas or in a Jet facility? I think the answer is no. Jimmy Johnson in Miami? Uh no. Its a rare thing for a coach to be celebrated in such a way across franchises.
Really happy to see the success he is having w/ the Jags. No matter what any of us think - there are multiple people noting the difference he has been making in the culture and the team. A team/organization is clearly more than the individual players athletic measurements - as we have witnessed as our wheels came off last year.
I reached out to the Giants in search of something to put in her room.
TC wrote her a long and personal letter. And called and followed up with notes and letters for months afterwards. Never met her. Never would. He was not asked. He was not rewarded. wrote and spoke to her about courage and dealing with trying times. It made a difference. It made a big difference. Seeing her smile and cry in relief when she opened that first letter....wow.
So to me...im happy his works somehow have a karmic outcome. Too often life does not work that way.
Thanks for the thread. Weird you get shit for a thread on a site filled with so so so much better threads.
Message board dynamics are strange. I really think it boils down to people thinking one thing, then something happens to maybe indicate they were wrong, so they twist it so that it's other people are in the wrong. They are told they are Coughlin apologists, fanboys (this one is funny to me, because shouldn't we all be big fans of Coughlin?), Go root for Jax or whatever....
It's weird, they don't want to give Coughlin any praise, because that would invalidate the absolute stance that they took that Coughlin was washed up, couldn't get the job done anymore, couldn't be a contributor, etc...
Coughlin is gone now, and the grass isn't necessarily greener, except in Jacksonville. It's a hard lesson, and likely one that many won't actually learn from.
It's weird, they don't want to give Coughlin any praise,
I'd say it's more us being realistic. He didn't hire the coach, he didn't build the team. It's also us knowing that if the Jaguars went 6-10 this season and someone mentioned Coughlin the Britts and HomerJones's's would be saying, "Coughlin isn't the coach! He can't just walk in and wave a magic wand and fix the team."
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It's weird, they don't want to give Coughlin any praise,
I'd say it's more us being realistic. He didn't hire the coach, he didn't build the team. It's also us knowing that if the Jaguars went 6-10 this season and someone mentioned Coughlin the Britts and HomerJones's's would be saying, "Coughlin isn't the coach! He can't just walk in and wave a magic wand and fix the team."
How about we focus on what actually happened? Isn't that realistic? Sounds more like denial on your part than being realistic.
The owner has said the turnaround is mainly attributed to Coughlin. The fans have bought in, they are selling Coughlin merchandise.
Coughlin deserves praise. It was a mistake to fire him for McAdoo. That has all played out, realistically.
That doesn't mean firing Coughlin was.
How many more shitty seasons did we need to have before we moved on?
Tom Coughlin molds Jaguars' dramatic rise to AFC title game - ( New Window )
That doesn't mean firing Coughlin was.
How many more shitty seasons did we need to have before we moved on?
Maybe those weren't exactly on Coughlin, considering how things turned out. We're still experiencing sh-tty football without him, aren't we? Historically sh-tty football, actually.
Not at all.
Absolutely.
What happened to Coughlin was that the cupboard wasn't stocked properly. The wrong people were fired, and it happened over a period of a couple of years, starting with Gilbride. Jerry Reese was the last man standing, now we have completely scorched earth.
They'll never admit it, and that's why we have these conversations where people are trying to downplay his significance.
That doesn't mean firing Coughlin was.
How many more shitty seasons did we need to have before we moved on?
McAdoo coached the team to 11 wins in 2016 with 200 million in talent infused on defense.
He poorly prepared the Giants for the playoff game which they lost
If Coughlin was still coach in 2016 maybe the Giants make a run. Tell you what, I wish could have seen TC lead that team with the talent infusion.
Butzlz that's me, I think it is highly likely the Giants go on a coach hunt every three four seasons now like most of the NFL.
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Hiring McAdoo was a mistake.
That doesn't mean firing Coughlin was.
How many more shitty seasons did we need to have before we moved on?
Maybe those weren't exactly on Coughlin, considering how things turned out. We're still experiencing sh-tty football without him, aren't we? Historically sh-tty football, actually.
We won 11 games the first year he was out the door... something he hadn't accomplished here in a decade.
It's okay to admit that he might have been part of the problem or that he may be better suited in an executive role like he has now.
Doesn't mean he deserves no credit for what they're doing in JAX.
It's actually possible to say he's done a nice job there and also feel like maybe his time as a HC here was up.
Shit was like some houses after a divorce. Dad leaves and it's just mom & the kids left.
But Coughlin was.
Who is fooling who here?
Eli will be next. He'll be winning on another team somewhere and all the guys here that proclaimed him done and washed up at 37 will be trying to redirect his accomplishments towards something else, all in the name on not admitting that maybe they had been wrong.
But Coughlin was.
Who is fooling who here?
I think it's obvious that Coughlin coached those teams to be better than they were. We saw the opposite of that this year.
In 2013, after an 0-6 start, they ended 7-9. You saw how this year's 0-6 start ended.
But firing him was not the wrong decision. 4 years of no playoffs was pretty good evidence of that. It was BS that TC got fired and Reese didn't, but it was still the right decision.
Once again with most TC guys, TC isn't culpable in the least for 2012-2015. Yawn.
But Coughlin was.
Who is fooling who here?
No, see, that was all Jerry Reese's fault. Tom Coughlin has never been at fault for his team's poor performance, ever.
He still leads the charmed life - all of the credit for winning, none of the responsibility for losing.
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There was no "winning culture" here in 2012...or 2013... or 2014... or 2015...
But Coughlin was.
Who is fooling who here?
I think it's obvious that Coughlin coached those teams to be better than they were. We saw the opposite of that this year.
In 2013, after an 0-6 start, they ended 7-9. You saw how this year's 0-6 start ended.
Cmon man. You're really reaching.
The 0-6 wasn't his fault, but he somehow gets credit for a strong finish against a bunch of shitty backup QB's?
Remind me who we beat.
And remind me what happened when we worked our way back into a meaningful matchup with Dallas later that season.
Oh yeah, we lost.
Using this as evidence that letting TC go is a mistake is weird - Coughlin isn't the coach, Marrone (who I wanted to replace TC in 2015!) is.
Cmon man. You're really reaching.
The 0-6 wasn't his fault, but he somehow gets credit for a strong finish against a bunch of shitty backup QB's?
Remind me who we beat.
Josh Freeman
Matt Barkley
Terrelle Pryor
Scott Tolzien
Murderers Row
Ben McAdoo's lousy performance doesn't magically mean that firing a 69 year old coach who had four straight losing seasons and had missed the playoffs in 6 out of 7 seasons was some kind of outrage.
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Cmon man. You're really reaching.
The 0-6 wasn't his fault, but he somehow gets credit for a strong finish against a bunch of shitty backup QB's?
Remind me who we beat.
Josh Freeman
Matt Barkley
Terrelle Pryor
Scott Tolzien
Murderers Row
Definitely needed that winning Coughlin "culture" to beat those guys... thank god he was here.
Ben McAdoo's lousy performance doesn't magically mean that firing a 69 year old coach who had four straight losing seasons and had missed the playoffs in 6 out of 7 seasons was some kind of outrage.
You just don't get it. If ownership had made the right choice and gave Reese the boot while holding on to Coughlin it could be the Giants playing the Patriots in the AFC Championship game right now.
I think you have to give him a lot of credit for helping to change the culture there and instill discipline on a young team without direction. Of course marrone deserves credit for that too. Of course you can’t say Coughlin built this whole team but I think you have to give him some credit for the turnaround. It would be a hell of a coincidence otherwise
I think you have to give him a lot of credit for helping to change the culture there and instill discipline on a young team without direction. Of course marrone deserves credit for that too. Of course you can’t say Coughlin built this whole team but I think you have to give him some credit for the turnaround. It would be a hell of a coincidence otherwise
Since he's not the GM, I think it's fair to wonder how much of this was all Coughlin and how much is David Caldwell. I know Coughlin is above Caldwell in their organizational chart but that doesn't mean that every move is all Tom Coughlin.