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Tomlin on the outs in Pix?

battttles : 1/16/2018 12:25 pm
Hello. Hire this man.

Per PFT on Twitter.
I like Tomlin  
Rjanyg : 1/16/2018 12:28 pm : link
I think Shurmur is getting the job. It would be a bush league move to switch directions now.
I doubt it  
Rflairr : 1/16/2018 12:30 pm : link
They don’t overreact like that
Not so sure I love Tomlin  
mattnyg05 : 1/16/2018 12:30 pm : link
Has an immensely talented offensive roster and has had some absolutely fantastic coordinators. Don’t know if he’s 100% the straw that stirs the drink there.

They have a great front office and structure within that franchise. I can’t really tell how much of their success is the culture Tomlin has built or the culture that has been around that franchise for decades, not to mention a HOF caliber QB.
I like Tomlin  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2018 12:31 pm : link
but other than the Patriots he’s had probably three best roster in he NFL since taking that team over. I also don’t like how many games he gives away due to poor management.

I still think he’s a good coach but he’s not some slam dunk to do well on a team that’s been less fortunate than Pittsburgh.
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arcarsenal : 1/16/2018 12:32 pm : link
Say what you will about Bell/Brown, etc. but Tomlin hasn't finished under .500 once since he's been there.

I think he's an excellent coach.
That would be a great idea.  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2018 12:35 pm : link
Fire a guy who has made the playoffs four years in a row, won two AFC championships and a Super Bowl, and hasn't had a losing season in 11 years as a head coach because he made a bad decision on an onside kick.
best roster  
giants#1 : 1/16/2018 12:35 pm : link
Why wouldn't Tomlin get some credit for having the best roster outside the Pats? Presumably he has some input into shopping for the groceries, especially since he's been a successful coach for 10 years now, and he's also in charge of developing the drafted talent, or at worst putting together a staff that helps with the individual talent development.
RE: That would be a great idea.  
AcidTest : 1/16/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13792349 an_idol_mind said:
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Fire a guy who has made the playoffs four years in a row, won two AFC championships and a Super Bowl, and hasn't had a losing season in 11 years as a head coach because he made a bad decision on an onside kick.


Agreed.
RE: I like Tomlin  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13792340 UConn4523 said:
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but other than the Patriots he’s had probably three best roster in he NFL since taking that team over. I also don’t like how many games he gives away due to poor management.

I still think he’s a good coach but he’s not some slam dunk to do well on a team that’s been less fortunate than Pittsburgh.


I don't think there's a coach in the NFL that hasn't blown games due to poor management. Belichick has blown games due to poor management. When you're in that situation enough times, you're going to screw up here and there.
Pix  
YAJ2112 : 1/16/2018 12:37 pm : link
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For a guy that comes across like a disciplinarian  
robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2018 12:38 pm : link
His players and teams always seem to do some stupid shit.
RE: Pix  
Mad Mike : 1/16/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13792362 YAJ2112 said:
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Nice.
Would Rooney  
Peppers : 1/16/2018 12:40 pm : link
Fire a guy who just completed a 13-3 season? Who never had a below .500 season in 11 years.. No, I'd be shocked if the most stable organization in the NFL fired a coach as successful as Tomlin. Thats one of the best coached teams in all of football.

To that group of minority owners who want his head, the question should be asked, who do you plan to replace him with? Its slim pickings right now.
I'd be on the phone with Tomlin 5 seconds after he's let go  
PatersonPlank : 1/16/2018 12:40 pm : link
Shurmur can find another gig. BTW, same goes for Harbaugh (the Baltimore one).
Some guys can screw up talented teams  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2018 12:42 pm : link
I think it's fair to wonder how good Tomlin would be with a lesser organization, but succeeding as a head coach isn't easy even with a good team.

In 11 seasons he's never been below .500.
Could be worse  
spike : 1/16/2018 12:42 pm : link
Like andy reid
Not a Chance Pitt fires Tomlin  
ZogZerg : 1/16/2018 12:52 pm : link
PFT is bullshit.
RE: That would be a great idea.  
jeff57 : 1/16/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13792349 an_idol_mind said:
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Fire a guy who has made the playoffs four years in a row, won two AFC championships and a Super Bowl, and hasn't had a losing season in 11 years as a head coach because he made a bad decision on an onside kick.


That's was probably fifth on the list for that game alone. Running wide and throwing on two fourth and shorts were at least two that were worse. And it's nothing new. He takes ridiculous gambles, like when he went on a two point bender early in games. His record is hard to argue with, but he's not a good in game coach. And considering he has the best receiver and best runner in football, and a hall of fame QB, he should have done more.
Tomlin is not to Blame  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/16/2018 12:57 pm : link
For the two Turnovers by Pittsburgh that was really the difference.
You can't take away his Super Bowl win/appearances  
DieHard : 1/16/2018 12:58 pm : link
He's a consistently good coach and players like playing for him. But his deficiencies in game planning and management have been evident for a while now. His players have also struggled with discipline. How about Mike Mitchell predicting a playoff win over the Patriots before they even played the Jaguars game? If that happened with the Giants, we'd be up in arms about it.
Fire Tomlin to hire who?  
Rflairr : 1/16/2018 1:03 pm : link
We’re seeing first hand there are no great candidates for these HC jobs
Tomlin fucked up in the game against Jax...  
M.S. : 1/16/2018 1:04 pm : link
...you can defend one or two of his decisions, but taking them all into account leads to one unalterable conclusion:

He sucks as an in-game manager.

Always has.

He doesn't have that rap for nothing'.
RE: For a guy that comes across like a disciplinarian  
BigBlueShock : 1/16/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13792364 robbieballs2003 said:
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His players and teams always seem to do some stupid shit.

You can say that about any coach. I seem to remember Gronk jumping on a players back and giving him a concussion. That’s not an indictment of Belichick
RE: Tomlin is not to Blame  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13792435 Alwaysblue22 said:
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For the two Turnovers by Pittsburgh that was really the difference.


He's absolutely to blame for the way he managed the game.
RE: Pix  
Jints in Carolina : 1/16/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13792362 YAJ2112 said:
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BWHAHAHAHAHA...my sister and her family came down for Christmas and somehow we ended up talking about that. We used to laugh our asses off when we were kids watching that shit.
RE: Tomlin fucked up in the game against Jax...  
jeff57 : 1/16/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13792455 M.S. said:
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...you can defend one or two of his decisions, but taking them all into account leads to one unalterable conclusion:

He sucks as an in-game manager.

Always has.

He doesn't have that rap for nothing'.


Bingo.
I think there's a 0% chance  
Mr. Bungle : 1/16/2018 1:09 pm : link
that the Steelers fire Tomlin.
Wasn't it Parcells that said 10 years for a Head Coach in one place is  
Tom in NY : 1/16/2018 1:11 pm : link
long enough?

Does the message get stale? Everyone get too comfortable with one another? Maybe the HC just gets burned out after all those games, playoff push, etc?

With the exception of the rare, Hall of Fame level coaches (BB, Walsh, Landry, etc.) there does seem to be some truth to the pattern that after 10 years the results start to fade.

All that said, no way Pittsburgh fires Tomlin this year. I would wonder, however, if they don't go a little further next year what might happen. That would make 12 years with one Super Bowl win.
If this happens....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/16/2018 1:19 pm : link
....the Giants better really rethink things before a contract is written up with Shurmur.
Coach a team with a bad QB situation = bad coach  
widmerseyebrow : 1/16/2018 1:21 pm : link
Coach a team with a good QB situation = good coach
RE: Coach a team with a bad QB situation = bad coach  
arcarsenal : 1/16/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13792513 widmerseyebrow said:
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Coach a team with a good QB situation = good coach


By this logic, Doug Marrone is a bad coach.

I don't think anyone would agree.

To a lesser degree, Sean McDermott.
RE: Coach a team with a bad QB situation = bad coach  
Mr. Bungle : 1/16/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13792513 widmerseyebrow said:
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Coach a team with a good QB situation = good coach

Chargers? Lions?
Haley  
old man : 1/16/2018 1:27 pm : link
More likely on the outs in Pitt than Tomlin.
Besides his personal issues, it took him a while to figure out AB could own Bouiye; if he figures it out a little earlier, Pitt might have had 14+ at halftime and won by 7 or 14.
Though I'm fine they lost.
If Tomlin leaves PIX  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2018 1:27 pm : link
we should hire him NYIX...
I’m not a fan  
Sammo85 : 1/16/2018 1:29 pm : link
He lost a playoff game to Tim Tebow. He went on national TV and basically taunted the Pats and then proceeded to admit they were focused only on the AFCC. The whole team including coaches has gotten very lazy and arrogant.

His game management has actually gotten incredibly bad (never his forte). He needs strong coordinators. He’s also gotten lax on discipline.

He’s literally single handedly lost them games through some of his management and decisions the last few years.

He did well to start off, but I think a change is in the offing and would be best for both sides because it might get ugly.

I doubt it  
HomerJones45 : 1/16/2018 1:33 pm : link
the Rooneys aren't Mara and Tisch.
Pitt has had 3 coaches in 40 years  
bluepepper : 1/16/2018 1:39 pm : link
The Rooneys are not firing a guy after a 13-3 season. Not happening.
RE: RE: Coach a team with a bad QB situation = bad coach  
widmerseyebrow : 1/16/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13792520 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13792513 widmerseyebrow said:


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Coach a team with a good QB situation = good coach



By this logic, Doug Marrone is a bad coach.

I don't think anyone would agree.

To a lesser degree, Sean McDermott.


Of course I meant relative to wins/losses. By that logic Doug Marrone is performing very well relative to his QB situation. But generally the #1 correlation between a new HC hire succeeding or failing is if he has or finds a good QB.
Any of you who like Tomlin...  
Slade : 1/16/2018 1:50 pm : link
haven't paid much attention. Clock management. 4th down calls...
Tomlin  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2018 2:04 pm : link
had a great run with Pitt. Competitive every year, won a SB. But his style/coaching methods might be drying up there. With Big Ben out the door soon, I imagine they'll have a new coach by 2019.
If Tomlin becomes available  
mdc1 : 1/16/2018 2:06 pm : link
you talk to him.
Winning record every year.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/16/2018 2:06 pm : link
Playoffs every year.

Clearly we're not paying attention to this loser franchise.
Do people not understand how much talent he has to work with  
chuckydee9 : 1/16/2018 2:40 pm : link
and how badly he performs in the playoffs? People blame TC for game management.. But when TC had the talent he had no Game management problems.. This guy has repeatedly done this, in spite of having one of the most talented teams since day 1 of his coaching career.. He has a more talented team right now than New England.. The throws Ben was making on sunday were incredible.. He lost to Tim Tebow in the playoffs.. he only has 1 SB ring and even that was with Stud defense players who were developed and brought in before he was a coach..

No thanks..
Tomlin  
WillVAB : 1/16/2018 3:15 pm : link
Is overrated. The Steelers could throw McAdoo in there as HC and still win 10-11 games with the talent the Steelers consistently bring in.
Tomlin is a great HC  
twostepgiants : 1/16/2018 6:24 pm : link
His record is 116-60 with 0 losing seasons and 8-7 postseason , 1 Super Bowl, 2 AFC titles, 6 Division Titles and 8 playoff appearances.

Now that’s a record.

I know 2 things: He had a bad game  
weeg in the bronx : 1/16/2018 6:35 pm : link
And he will have the steelers back in the playoffs again next year.
So you guys think that the Mara's are going to...  
EricJ : 1/16/2018 6:41 pm : link
jump in bed with Pitt's head coach? Don't you have any idea how close the two families are? First, the Rooney's would call John Mara at home and will tell him EVERYTHING there is to know about Tomlin. Next, out of respect John Mara is not going to hire a guy who was just fired by their relatives.
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