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I hate to admit it, but Boomer Esiason was correct.

Emlen'sGremlins : 1/16/2018 12:41 pm
During his first morning show on WFAN after Gettleman was hired he said that there was no way that either of the Patriots Coordinators would come to the Giants to work for him as the HC. He also said that no established current college coach or former pro head coach would do so either. He said so with the confidence of someone in the know that our head coach search would be a challenging process. I wondered what he meant by it a few weeks ago and I'm even more curious now with the way things have played out.
Shurmur  
cjac : 1/16/2018 12:43 pm : link
was a head coach at some point wasnt he?
so are you saying...  
Josh in the City : 1/16/2018 12:43 pm : link
in gettlemen we don't trust?
RE: Shurmur  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13792386 cjac said:
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was a head coach at some point wasnt he?


Yes.
Boomer is privvy to all sorts of info we're not  
JonC : 1/16/2018 12:44 pm : link
he's a NY native, long time media member post-career, lives and works here still connected to the NFL.

He's also one of biggest QBs I've ever seen in person, a huge dude.
Shurmur  
cjac : 1/16/2018 12:45 pm : link
definitely checks all the boxes as far as a guy that Mara would like. Is the point here that Matt Patricia, a first time head coach would not like the fact that Gettleman would have more roster control?
There's no evidence  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2018 12:45 pm : link
that the Giants wanted either Pats coordinators over Shurmur. With five candidates interviewing, odds were already around 60% that he could claim he was right.

Just because a guy correctly guesses that his ass isn't a hole in the ground doesn't mean he really knows the difference.
Rule number 1  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/16/2018 12:46 pm : link
Boomer is never right

Rule number 2

Even when Boomer says something that can be construed or stretched into seeming to be right see rule # 1
So he's saying that  
RinR : 1/16/2018 12:46 pm : link
Patricia and McDaniels interviewed out of the goodness of their hearts with no intention of taking the job if actually offered it?

Stop already
Former head coach  
jeff57 : 1/16/2018 12:49 pm : link
Which Shurmur is.
Josh...  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2018 12:50 pm : link
are you surprised that Patricia went to Detroit? I read that his wife is from Massachusetts. He being a NY guy...I'm just shocked that he wouldn't choose the Giants IF in fact he was our #1 choice.
He's been saying that awhile and is correct  
Banks : 1/16/2018 12:51 pm : link
at least in that guys like McDaniels and Patricia wouldn't want to be here. I don't recall him discussing college coaches other than the insanity of Saban coming here. The reason that he thought they wouldn't be hired is that they want total or near total control and with Gettleman here that won't happen. I don't necessarily see that as a negative. I'm happier than can be that McDaniels is not the coach. Patricia intrigued me, but it doesn't bother me he wasn't hired. Frankly, Shurmur is the only one of that lot that proved his worth in multiple places and I'm stoked he's the coach.
Why did they interview then?  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/16/2018 1:02 pm : link
C'mon people, use your heads. If it was so bad that they wouldn't consider it, they wouldn't have interviewed.
I've been wondering how it all would've turned out  
SHO'NUFF : 1/16/2018 1:02 pm : link
if we didn't hire Gettleman.
RE: Josh...  
BillT : 1/16/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13792415 ryanmkeane said:
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are you surprised that Patricia went to Detroit? I read that his wife is from Massachusetts. He being a NY guy...I'm just shocked that he wouldn't choose the Giants IF in fact he was our #1 choice.

Doesn't Patricia have a long term relationship with the Detroit GM a former Pats FO guy? I heard that was the big factor of him going to Detroit.
Even...  
paesan98 : 1/16/2018 1:03 pm : link
- a bling squirrel finds an occasional nut

- a broken clock is right twice a day
Sorry  
paesan98 : 1/16/2018 1:04 pm : link
That should say a blind squirrel
RE: Boomer is privvy to all sorts of info we're not  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/16/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13792396 JonC said:
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he's a NY native, long time media member post-career, lives and works here still connected to the NFL.

He's also one of biggest QBs I've ever seen in person, a huge dude.


Boomer apparently didn't know his partner was a criminal.
RE: I've been wondering how it all would've turned out  
jeff57 : 1/16/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13792449 SHO'NUFF said:
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if we didn't hire Gettleman.



How do we know that this statement is true?  
EricJ : 1/16/2018 1:08 pm : link
"During his first morning show on WFAN after Gettleman was hired he said that there was no way that either of the Patriots Coordinators would come to the Giants to work for him as the HC"

If we never offered the job to either guy, they never had a chance to decline. Do we know whether they truly wont come work for DG?

Not denying that this MAY be true but we cannot say for sure that it is.
So Boomer said no former NFL head coach would take the job?  
Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2018 1:09 pm : link
Will he admit he was wrong if Shurmer gets the job, since he used to be an NFL head coach?
I like Boomer  
idiotsavant : 1/16/2018 1:10 pm : link
But I don't really give a fuck.

DGs first presser sounded spot on.

I will take it.

We fix shit, people will change minds, that is if it was even accurate.
When Coughlan was hired  
hd9009 : 1/16/2018 1:15 pm : link
We were told no established free agents would sign with the Giants.
as I stated yesterday....  
Andy in Boston : 1/16/2018 1:18 pm : link
I've watched all of Gettleman's pressers and have seen him interact extensively with Ron Rivera....He's very inclusive and a collaborator. If the Pats people need to have "control" over decisions....then frankly, they're not right for the Giants. If guys like Parcells or Coughlin can't get control and people can't see the value of working for the Giants....then screw them. I think the egos of Patricia and McDaniels are bigger than people realize.
I wouldn't say that ego comment about Patricia  
idiotsavant : 1/16/2018 1:22 pm : link
But...that may just be a style thing with the maras moreso than to do with DG.

The hair and all that. ' Comfort level ".

No matter. Shurmer is an interesting candidate in his own right.
Who cares what Boomer thinks?  
5BowlsSoon : 1/16/2018 1:23 pm : link
I don’t.
Just because...  
Chris in Philly : 1/16/2018 1:26 pm : link
we didn't hire either Patricia or McDaniels doesn't in any way mean that they would not have worked with Gettleman...
Did Boomer also say that we are signing Keenum?  
Giantology : 1/16/2018 1:30 pm : link
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anyone who grew up in central NY may not have been a Giants fan.  
Ivan15 : 1/16/2018 1:40 pm : link
When Coughlin grew up, the AFL was a minor league. When Patricia was born, there was probably as much interest in the Bills and Patriots as there was with the Giants.

Not surprising if he is going to Detroit, due to relationship with GM. The Lions have a few things that need fixing but not as much as the Giants.
RE: How do we know that this statement is true?  
mrvax : 1/16/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13792473 EricJ said:
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"During his first morning show on WFAN after Gettleman was hired he said that there was no way that either of the Patriots Coordinators would come to the Giants to work for him as the HC"

If we never offered the job to either guy, they never had a chance to decline. Do we know whether they truly wont come work for DG?

Not denying that this MAY be true but we cannot say for sure that it is.



Eric, both Pat's coaches would have at least had interest in the Giants and DG or they would not have interviewed if Boomer was right.

Boomer is almost always wrong.
Boomer who?  
Sec 103 : 1/16/2018 1:43 pm : link
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So  
old man : 1/16/2018 1:46 pm : link
The owners hired a GM no respectable HC candidate could work with?
My take on Esiasons take.
As in , in DGs own words, "holding(people) accountable"?
What organization would possibly want that?

Of course, I'd prefer a GM that agreed with everything I said and did...or, one that insists I use an underperforming employee at their current position, that just might be much better at a different position, given the employees pluses, no matter what.
Guaranteed success.
Oh wait.....
maybe its just simple  
mdc1 : 1/16/2018 1:54 pm : link
owners hire a GM that will not hire BB assistants, then owners hire who they want. Hopefully they are right this time instead of that McAdoo disaster.
Gettleman likely wanted Patricia but Mara found the hammer!  
wgenesis123 : 1/16/2018 1:58 pm : link
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RE: When Coughlan was hired  
mdc1 : 1/16/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13792494 hd9009 said:
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We were told no established free agents would sign with the Giants.


when TC was hired the main guys were guys we drafted beyond Mitchell and some guys in the backfield that were older veterans that we turning the corner.
I believe Patricia has a relationship with Detorit GM and McDaniels  
Blue21 : 1/16/2018 2:19 pm : link
with Colts GM. Also, maybe Boomer doesn't think either of their personalities fit with NY media.
well Pratricia was giants #1 target and he turned away from the giants  
micky : 1/16/2018 2:28 pm : link
that's fact
I don’t discount Boomers opinion on things like this  
mfsd : 1/16/2018 2:30 pm : link
He’s been around the league a long time and must have plenty of genuine sources

My reaction, though, is the issue is really the Giants traditional organizational structure, right? Meaning...the Giants have never and likely never will give a coach significant control of personnel decisions...and the Maras will always be involved, for better or worse.

Thus...Boomer could have said the same had we hired Riddick or any other GM candidate, right? If either Pats coordinator or any other coaching candidate wanted a high level of control over the roster, they weren’t going to be a fit whether we hired Gettleman or anyone else
RE: well Pratricia was giants #1 target and he turned away from the giants  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13792738 micky said:
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that's fact


How is that a fact?
Norman the proverbial stopped watch. Such a phony. He still  
Victor in CT : 1/16/2018 2:37 pm : link
can't handle that he was not, is not and never will be a beloved NY sports hero.
RE: RE: well Pratricia was giants #1 target and he turned away from the giants  
Mad Mike : 1/16/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13792749 Greg from LI said:
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How is that a fact?

At a bare minimum, it's an alternative fact.
RE: well Pratricia was giants #1 target and he turned away from the giants  
Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13792738 micky said:
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that's fact


Your uninformed opinion =/= fact.
RE: well Pratricia was giants #1 target and he turned away from the giants  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/16/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13792738 micky said:
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that's fact


Care to cite a source?
By the way...  
EricJ : 1/16/2018 2:59 pm : link
I would not be surprised if coaches did not want to come to this team especially with DG serving as the GM. I heard some things about him before we hired him as well.

Still this is all speculation
Who cares if any of BB’s  
Giant John : 1/16/2018 3:14 pm : link
Coaches come to the Giants what have any of those guys done since leaving NE?
No big loss.
RE: well Pratricia was giants #1 target and he turned away from the giants  
Canton : 1/16/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13792738 micky said:
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that's fact


Link where you read this? Until then you're just another fucking moron basing your slanted, opinionated fiction, as fact.
So let me get this straight  
Jason in OR : 1/16/2018 3:20 pm : link
The 2 Pats can work under BB who is a peach of a man, and cant work with DG, who is one down from Ghengis khan or not depending on who is spouting bollocks

And well I'm sure BB and the Pats give all kinds of personnel decisions to both those guys over there.

But JR was wrong at every turn and was weak and a terrible GM, yada yada yada, so we get a stronger GM who doesn't over value his own roster and arguably oversaw some pretty decent additions in Car, yet that's the cause of not getting the two pats as coaches. And John Mara is a jellyfish and wont hire an edgy coach blah blah blah

So, we lose out on two coaches who wanted (potentially) roster control, after having a GM and head of scouting that completely fucked the pooch on that for years. Plus one of the 2 chose Tim Tebow as his QB, yet we should give him or them full roster control, with no history that they could manage it, as opposed to the current GM. Yep make sense.

Im at a total loss any more over this bollocks.

Why dont you guys wait until A. We hire whoever it is, then B. see where we are post draft, then C. how training camp goes, and D how we look in September before you start overly fretting.

I get this is a discussion board, and well, this has been discussed ad nauseum, but who gives a flying rats fucking tail what that twat Boomer Esisaon says or thinks.

That is all. Carry on.




Patiricia is friends with the Detroit GM  
Phil in LA : 1/16/2018 3:30 pm : link
and McDaniel wanted a structure the Giants don't offer.
Don't listen..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2018 3:33 pm : link
to this jackass.

He's been saying this for the past few days:

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I hate to admit it, but Boomer Esiason was correct.
Emlen'sGremlins : 12:41 pm
During his first morning show on WFAN after Gettleman was hired he said that there was no way that either of the Patriots Coordinators would come to the Giants to work for him as the HC. He also said that no established current college coach or former pro head coach would do so either. He said so with the confidence of someone in the know that our head coach search would be a challenging process. I wondered what he meant by it a few weeks ago and I'm even more curious now with the way things have played out.


Boomer never said that no coaches would come to work for Gettleman - and Shurmur fucking proves it!!

I think this putz is hanging on a segment where Boomer said that the Patriot coordinators want to work for a guy they are familiar with and they aren't familiar with Gettleman's style, but this jacknut took that and completely twisted it and now has posted it multiple times on BBI.

He's also the same twat who posted repeatedly that Shurmur is demanding that any team who hired him has to take Keenum as part of getting him as coach.

Stop posting made up shit!!
RE: Patiricia is friends with the Detroit GM  
Victor in CT : 1/16/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13792873 Phil in LA said:
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and McDaniel wanted a structure the Giants don't offer.


and that no sane person would give him.
Mike Lombardi  
RAIN : 1/16/2018 4:07 pm : link
had some interesting comments on this as well, that coaches and GM's need buy-in on each other these days. The coaches want to make sure the personnel selected will fit the scheme.

John Schneider and Pete Carroll in Sea, as an example. Pats , as an example.

It makes some sense. I wonder how pliable Gettleman is. No
The reason is not Gettleman  
arniefez : 1/16/2018 4:13 pm : link
It's the Mara Bros. Hiring Gettleman is a symptom of the Mara Bros not the problem.
Boomer was correct about  
joeinpa : 1/16/2018 5:14 pm : link
The GM and the coach and gave sound reasons prior to the selections
Whats wrong with Shumur?  
PatersonPlank : 1/16/2018 5:16 pm : link
He was one of the most highly sought after candidates.
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