Kirwin and Miller both love Shurmur. Kirwin reiterated what he said way back in November that Shurmur is perfect for the NYG HC job. Both feel he can command the room, BBI's mantra, and that he's not devoid of personality, but he's a business man first. He wants to get the job done above all else. They touched on his tenure in Cleveland and how committed "professional suicide" by insisting on playing the young kids even though he knew it would help lead to his dismissal. Didn't care, did what was best for the foundation and future.
Both felt that it's a perfect 3 way marriage between Gettleman and Shurmur and Mara.
"You're hiring Shurmur for a number of reasons but the #1 reason is to develop the next guy."
They touched on a few other things but nothing that stands out. The overall take was they love Shurmur for the Giants.
I always respect Kirwin's take. Even when I disagree it's usually because his negative comments on the Giants scare me. Don't want to hear the scary truth. This take wasn't scary at all.
Anyway, I thought Shurmer was a good choice when McAdoo got canned and it’s good to hear everyone interviewed basically confirming that. Holmgren said the same. If anything, with a decent rebuilt Oline and renewed running game, this offense should at least be middle of the road. We might even score 30 points in a game?! Something we haven’t seen in quite a while.
Scoring rank:
2009 - 32nd
2010 - 26th
2011 - 30th
2012 - 24th
Averaged 246 points (16.4 per game)
4,742 yards of total offense
1018 plays
55.7% pass rate
Scoring rank:
2013 - 4th
2014 - 3rd
2015 - 13th
2017 - 10th
Averaged 418.75 points (26.2 per game)
6,141 yards of total offense
1084 plays
52.5% pass rate
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Pat Shurmur's offense before working with Eagles and Chip Kelly?
Scoring rank:
2009 - 32nd
2010 - 26th
2011 - 30th
2012 - 24th
Averaged 246 points (16.4 per game)
4,742 yards of total offense
1018 plays
55.7% pass rate
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Pat Shurmur's offense after working with Eagles and Chip Kelly?
Scoring rank:
2013 - 4th
2014 - 3rd
2015 - 13th
2017 - 10th
Averaged 418.75 points (26.2 per game)
6,141 yards of total offense
1084 plays
52.5% pass rate
Tough to separate what's the impact of Kelly and what was Shurmur in the Eagle years. Kelly was highly involved in how he ran that offense.
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Pat Shurmur's offense before working with Eagles and Chip Kelly?
Scoring rank:
2009 - 32nd
2010 - 26th
2011 - 30th
2012 - 24th
Averaged 246 points (16.4 per game)
4,742 yards of total offense
1018 plays
55.7% pass rate
Quote:
Pat Shurmur's offense after working with Eagles and Chip Kelly?
Scoring rank:
2013 - 4th
2014 - 3rd
2015 - 13th
2017 - 10th
Averaged 418.75 points (26.2 per game)
6,141 yards of total offense
1084 plays
52.5% pass rate
And where did his offenses rank under Reid?
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Pat Shurmur's offense before working with Eagles and Chip Kelly?
Scoring rank:
2009 - 32nd
2010 - 26th
2011 - 30th
2012 - 24th
Averaged 246 points (16.4 per game)
4,742 yards of total offense
1018 plays
55.7% pass rate
Quote:
Pat Shurmur's offense after working with Eagles and Chip Kelly?
Scoring rank:
2013 - 4th
2014 - 3rd
2015 - 13th
2017 - 10th
Averaged 418.75 points (26.2 per game)
6,141 yards of total offense
1084 plays
52.5% pass rate
But but but His pass rate went down by 3.2%!
...BBI handwringers
Yes! Of course, I haven't given up hope. We all know this shurmur stuff is just a ruse....
Kirwin is critical. Don't remember how they felt about mcadoo. Knowing kirwin he probably took a wait and see approach with mild optimism. I know he wasn't happy with the ol, notably flowers.
Teams started figuring out how to play Kelly's offense by pressing the WR's and blitzing inside in year 3, which is why it was a bit less effective.
When Shurmur went to MIN, he seemed more intent on running the ball which is where the power spread concepts came from.
He's a coach who has learned to adjust and he's done it more than once.
Shurmur has been the guy I wanted since this process started because I think he understands how to scheme around his personnel rather than force his personnel into a scheme. He's going to be a great guy to have here if we do draft a young QB or even want to develop Webb.
His staff is going to be really important - but I think Shurmur is the right guy for this and am looking forward to it if he is in fact the one we choose.
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Did they love the McAdoo hire, as well?
Kirwin is critical. Don't remember how they felt about mcadoo. Knowing kirwin he probably took a wait and see approach with mild optimism. I know he wasn't happy with the ol, notably flowers.
Kirwin was slamming McAdoo from game 3 on and was all about his firing
No. No one other than John Mara seemed to think McAdoo was
Some football Genius. He was the TE coach in GB for 6 years and spent one year as the QB coach for a first ballot HOF QB.
Until he was hired as the Giants OC I bet there wasn't 10 people on this site who even heard of him. I listen to Kirwan and Miller every week. 2-3 times. They don't speak badly about anyone really. But when they like someone they speak up.
Teams started figuring out how to play Kelly's offense by pressing the WR's and blitzing inside in year 3, which is why it was a bit less effective.
When Shurmur went to MIN, he seemed more intent on running the ball which is where the power spread concepts came from.
He's a coach who has learned to adjust and he's done it more than once.
Shurmur has been the guy I wanted since this process started because I think he understands how to scheme around his personnel rather than force his personnel into a scheme. He's going to be a great guy to have here if we do draft a young QB or even want to develop Webb.
His staff is going to be really important - but I think Shurmur is the right guy for this and am looking forward to it if he is in fact the one we choose.
Thank you arc. I agree with everything you said. Shurmur was in my top 2 favorite choices for HC from the beginning. As you said he builds his scheme around the strength of his players. This is what is required for good coaches to succeed. It's the reason why guy's like Tim Lewis failed as DC and why McAdoo failed as HC and OC. Shurmur built his offense around Keenum and the running game.
He is not the sexy choice like a Belichick but I am very excited to have Shurmur as our HC. Shurmur was put in a no-win situation in Cleveland but it helped prepare him for his next job. I am very excited to see how Shurmur does with Beckham, Engram, Shepard, Ellison, and Gallman.
If he could turn Adam Thielen into a pro bowl WR then what could he do for Beckham and co. Thielen's receiving yards with and without Shurmur as OC:
Without Shurmur
2014 137 yards
2015 144 yards
With
2016 967 yards
2017 1276 yards
[quote] In comment 13793435 SHO'NUFF said:
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Did they love the McAdoo hire, as well?
No. No one other than John Mara seemed to think McAdoo was
Some football Genius. He was the TE coach in GB for 6 years and spent one year as the QB coach for a first ballot HOF QB.
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I know I mentioned this before on this site but for those who may have missed it...
Greg Jennings was quoted as saying (when asked about McAdoo recently) that in the locker room in GB, he was viewed as nothing more than an over-paid gym teacher.
Last year before our playoff game vs Green Bay Rodgers was interviewed and was asked about McAdoo. His only comment was that Ben was a funny guy.
Oh he definitely hammered McAdoo after he had a chance to watch and observe his work. When he was hired I don't remember Kirwin's take but I am all but certain no one really hammered the hire. How could you? No one knew wtf McAdoo was.
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I think coaching with Kelly is where Shurmur started incorporating more spread concepts. He was closer to a pure WCO when he was with Spags in StL.
Teams started figuring out how to play Kelly's offense by pressing the WR's and blitzing inside in year 3, which is why it was a bit less effective.
When Shurmur went to MIN, he seemed more intent on running the ball which is where the power spread concepts came from.
He's a coach who has learned to adjust and he's done it more than once.
Shurmur has been the guy I wanted since this process started because I think he understands how to scheme around his personnel rather than force his personnel into a scheme. He's going to be a great guy to have here if we do draft a young QB or even want to develop Webb.
His staff is going to be really important - but I think Shurmur is the right guy for this and am looking forward to it if he is in fact the one we choose.
Thank you arc. I agree with everything you said. Shurmur was in my top 2 favorite choices for HC from the beginning. As you said he builds his scheme around the strength of his players. This is what is required for good coaches to succeed. It's the reason why guy's like Tim Lewis failed as DC and why McAdoo failed as HC and OC. Shurmur built his offense around Keenum and the running game.
He is not the sexy choice like a Belichick but I am very excited to have Shurmur as our HC. Shurmur was put in a no-win situation in Cleveland but it helped prepare him for his next job. I am very excited to see how Shurmur does with Beckham, Engram, Shepard, Ellison, and Gallman.
If he could turn Adam Thielen into a pro bowl WR then what could he do for Beckham and co. Thielen's receiving yards with and without Shurmur as OC:
Without Shurmur
2014 137 yards
2015 144 yards
With
2016 967 yards
2017 1276 yards
Yup - I think what is clear with Shurmur is that he's learned as he has gone and improved as a coach and a coordinator.
I think the failed stint in Cleveland is something that ultimately has and will benefit him from an experience perspective.
I'm also guessing that some of the bits about his handling of his players, etc. are things he's also learned from.
This is a good time to hire Pat Shurmur. He checks a ton of boxes and is ready to give a HC gig another shot.