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jbeintherockies : 1/16/2018 10:22 pm
I didn't see this posted; will delete if it was.

NFL.com article on the rivalry. Interesting insight on Spags as a DC, too.
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clatterbuck : 1/16/2018 10:44 pm : link
Stole my Coughlin/kryptonite line.
Very interesting bit on Spagnuolo...  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2018 10:49 pm : link
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hen Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants' defensive coordinator in 2007 and '08, he'd always want to do these elaborate defenses, and Coughlin immediately shut those down. It sounds crazy, but Coughlin wanted the opposing offense to know the scheme -- even Tom Brady. Coughlin was confident that his players could win with physicality and discipline, no matter who was on the other side -- and it often worked.


This might partially explain why Spags had success in '07 and '08 but hasn't been very good outside those years (with the exception being '16). Maybe he gets too cute for his own good.
RE: Very interesting bit on Spagnuolo...  
paesan98 : 1/16/2018 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13793514 an_idol_mind said:
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hen Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants' defensive coordinator in 2007 and '08, he'd always want to do these elaborate defenses, and Coughlin immediately shut those down. It sounds crazy, but Coughlin wanted the opposing offense to know the scheme -- even Tom Brady. Coughlin was confident that his players could win with physicality and discipline, no matter who was on the other side -- and it often worked.



This might partially explain why Spags had success in '07 and '08 but hasn't been very good outside those years (with the exception being '16). Maybe he gets too cute for his own good.


That exact thought popped into my mind when I read that. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that played a big part in the the way his defenses, good and bad, played.
Love Spags  
Andrew in Austin : 1/16/2018 11:19 pm : link
But every time he said the team was ready for the "graduate degree" in his defense, the defense sucked. He might be the only guy to understand the extra nuances in handoffs, coverages, etc. that his advanced scheme demanded.

I feel the team, when he keeps it relatively simple, ends up executing at a much faster pace and with relatively less mistakes on the field.

That was an interesting read.  
bceagle05 : 1/16/2018 11:55 pm : link
I like that part about not trying to out-scheme them. Seems like that really was the Giants philosophy - just grind physically for 60 minutes.
I think JAX  
SomeFan : 1/17/2018 7:21 am : link
beats them this week and part of that will be due to TC.
Simple schemes on offense?  
exiled : 1/17/2018 7:42 am : link
"Coughlin's teams run very simple schemes on offense and defense."

KG's offense was constantly criticized for being overly complex.
The defense being simplified all the time  
St. Jimmy : 1/17/2018 8:13 am : link
doesn't go with the fact that the secondary regularly couldn't figure out what they were doing under Perry Fewell. If anything needed to be simplified it was whatever Perry was trying to accomplish.
RE: Very interesting bit on Spagnuolo...  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 13793514 an_idol_mind said:
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hen Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants' defensive coordinator in 2007 and '08, he'd always want to do these elaborate defenses, and Coughlin immediately shut those down. It sounds crazy, but Coughlin wanted the opposing offense to know the scheme -- even Tom Brady. Coughlin was confident that his players could win with physicality and discipline, no matter who was on the other side -- and it often worked.



This might partially explain why Spags had success in '07 and '08 but hasn't been very good outside those years (with the exception being '16). Maybe he gets too cute for his own good.


Banks often criticzed Spags for being too complicated and cnosatntly channging assignments and responsibilities, and cited it in 2016 as a big reason why Landon Collins struggled.
should ay 2015.  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 8:27 am : link
sorry.
I think it really comes down to attention to detail  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/17/2018 8:41 am : link
and staying simple. If you read about Belichek, everything is conducted to the greatest of detail. Same with TC, he's been the only coach to approach that level of preparation. Belichek waits for the other teams to outthink themselves like Seattle, for example. TC never made those mistakes against the Pats.
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