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Odell needs 1011 Yds to become 2nd Giants All Time Receiving

DaddyM89 : 1/17/2018 2:42 am
Rk Player G Tgt Rec % Yards Y/G TD Years
1 Amani Toomer 190 1239 668 53.9 9497 50 54 1996 - 2008
2 Frank Gifford 136 -- 367 -- 5434 40 43 1952 - 1964
3 Tiki Barber 154 814 586 72 5173 33.7 12 1997 - 2006
4 Joe Morrison 184 -- 395 -- 4993 27.1 47 1959 - 1972
5 Homer Jones 73 -- 214 -- 4845 66.4 35 1964 - 1969
6 Kyle Rote 121 -- 300 -- 4797 39.6 48 1951 - 1961
7 Chris Calloway 112 620 334 53.9 4710 42.1 27 1992 - 1998
8 Hakeem Nicks 76 550 318 57.8 4676 61.5 27 2009 - 2013, 2015
9 Ike Hilliard 98 653 368 56.4 4630 47.2 27 1997 - 2004
10 Victor Cruz 70 509 303 59.5 4549 65 25 2010 - 2016
11 Odell Beckham 47 498 313 62.9 4424 94.1 38 2014 -
He currently has less games played than anyone in the top 24.

Pretty amazing since he's played in less than 3 full seasons worth of games.
My eyes!!!!  
Tuckrule : 1/17/2018 5:22 am : link
All jokes aside. Pretty amazing. If I’m odell I do not step on the field without a new deal. Simple as that.
RE: My eyes!!!!  
Brown Recluse : 1/17/2018 5:42 am : link
In comment 13793597 Tuckrule said:
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All jokes aside. Pretty amazing. If I’m odell I do not step on the field without a new deal. Simple as that.


Hopefully he has a longer career than the three guys in front of him.
If I'm Odell  
DavidinBMNY : 1/17/2018 6:23 am : link
I also hold out especially coming off injury. Advertising opportunities probably are not emerging as he is out of site, out out of mind.

He definitely deserves to get paid and he should either by us or another team.
If he takes the “pay me or trade me” approach, that will make him #1  
Ivan15 : 1/17/2018 7:20 am : link
on the a**hole list.

Injury is unfortunate but he needs to honor his rookie contract.
Its a business...  
Rong5611 : 1/17/2018 8:29 am : link
Odell & the Giants recognize this. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail here and a deal that makes sense for both is consummated. If I'm Odell, I'm not playing without a new deal.
RE: If he takes the “pay me or trade me” approach, that will make him #1  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13793619 Ivan15 said:
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on the a**hole list.

Injury is unfortunate but he needs to honor his rookie contract.


Would you say the same thing to the Giants if they signed/drafted someone who wasn't playing well - that they should honor the contract and pay him every cent regardless of his play? If no, then you really can't criticize players for wanting to be paid when they outperform their contract.
To me thats more a reflection  
8 Ball : 1/17/2018 9:42 am : link
Of the shitty WR and bad injury luck NYG has had over the years.
Shows you how bad the passing game was in the 70s & 80s  
YorkAveGiant : 1/17/2018 10:14 am : link
What Simms did was remarkable.
Different eras  
HomerJones45 : 1/17/2018 10:27 am : link
Don't get too caught up in all-time numbers. Rote and Gifford played 12 game seasons for most of his career and Homer Jones played 14 game seasons. In addition, teams did not throw 600 times a season. 350 passing attempts was a high number of attempts. Finally, teams threw the ball down the field. A 55% completion percentage was extraordinary and many passers were in the 50% range.

As a result, yards per catch are way down. Rote averaged 16 yards a catch over his career, Gifford 15 a catch over his long career and Homer Jones an astounding 22 yards a catch over his career. Beckham is at 14- a very good number by today's standards.

This is not to say that Beckham isn't a great player, he is, but be careful with this all-time stuff. Given the rules changes, you need to compare players against players in their own era.
RE: Different eras  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13793827 HomerJones45 said:
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Don't get too caught up in all-time numbers. Rote and Gifford played 12 game seasons for most of his career and Homer Jones played 14 game seasons. In addition, teams did not throw 600 times a season. 350 passing attempts was a high number of attempts. Finally, teams threw the ball down the field. A 55% completion percentage was extraordinary and many passers were in the 50% range.

As a result, yards per catch are way down. Rote averaged 16 yards a catch over his career, Gifford 15 a catch over his long career and Homer Jones an astounding 22 yards a catch over his career. Beckham is at 14- a very good number by today's standards.

This is not to say that Beckham isn't a great player, he is, but be careful with this all-time stuff. Given the rules changes, you need to compare players against players in their own era.


exactly. good post
unfortunately he has not proven in big games  
mdc1 : 1/17/2018 12:26 pm : link
he is worth the outrageous "pay me". Also an injury problem in the future.
RE: To me thats more a reflection  
giants#1 : 1/17/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13793776 8 Ball said:
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Of the shitty WR and bad injury luck NYG has had over the years.


This.

~4500 yds in the ~3 seasons Beckham's played is great. The fact that the Giants #2 all time in receiving yards only has ~5500 yds is an indictment of the WRs that have played for them, particularly in the "modern" era. Pick a random team and the bar for #2 is likely higher (even the expansion Jags have 2 players >6000 yds).
RE: If he takes the “pay me or trade me” approach, that will make him #1  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13793619 Ivan15 said:
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on the a**hole list.



When the alternative is having your career ended before turning 30 or making anywhere what his value actually is like so many recent Giants receivers have, it's not a difficult choice to make.
He would have had it by now if Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2018 11:12 pm : link
didn’t put him in harms way this year...twice.
RE: Different eras  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2018 12:25 am : link
In comment 13793827 HomerJones45 said:
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Don't get too caught up in all-time numbers. Rote and Gifford played 12 game seasons for most of his career and Homer Jones played 14 game seasons. In addition, teams did not throw 600 times a season. 350 passing attempts was a high number of attempts. Finally, teams threw the ball down the field. A 55% completion percentage was extraordinary and many passers were in the 50% range.

As a result, yards per catch are way down. Rote averaged 16 yards a catch over his career, Gifford 15 a catch over his long career and Homer Jones an astounding 22 yards a catch over his career. Beckham is at 14- a very good number by today's standards.

This is not to say that Beckham isn't a great player, he is, but be careful with this all-time stuff. Given the rules changes, you need to compare players against players in their own era.


good post Homer.
Kind of suprised  
darren in pdx : 1/18/2018 12:33 am : link
that Burress isn't on that list..Toomer was pretty underrated in his prime. But it's sad to imagine what could have been if Nicks and Cruz didn't get injured out and were on the tail end of the careers with OBJ (assuming that they would have still drafted OBJ if Nicks was around)..that would've been a deadly trio. And hell, add Steve Smith to that..
RE: If he takes the “pay me or trade me” approach, that will make him #1  
Knee of Theismann : 1/18/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13793619 Ivan15 said:
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on the a**hole list.

Injury is unfortunate but he needs to honor his rookie contract.


What makes him an a**hole exactly? And I don't think there is any rule that says he has to honor his rookie contract if he doesn't want to? There are consequences and risks to not doing so but this is still a business dude.
RE: To me thats more a reflection  
EricJ : 1/18/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13793776 8 Ball said:
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Of the shitty WR and bad injury luck NYG has had over the years.


I was just about to post something similar. Not to take anything away from OBJ but man we have not had very productive WRs. Let's face it, our offenses in general have (for the most part) not been great. Sure, we have a good year here or there. Look at our RBs too over the years.
I would not want to give Beckham  
mrvax : 1/18/2018 11:52 am : link
the big bucks until I saw how he does post injury. Giants have been cursed by our WRs getting hurt and never being the same again.
RE: Different eras  
Brown Recluse : 1/18/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13793827 HomerJones45 said:
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Don't get too caught up in all-time numbers. Rote and Gifford played 12 game seasons for most of his career and Homer Jones played 14 game seasons. In addition, teams did not throw 600 times a season. 350 passing attempts was a high number of attempts. Finally, teams threw the ball down the field. A 55% completion percentage was extraordinary and many passers were in the 50% range.

As a result, yards per catch are way down. Rote averaged 16 yards a catch over his career, Gifford 15 a catch over his long career and Homer Jones an astounding 22 yards a catch over his career. Beckham is at 14- a very good number by today's standards.

This is not to say that Beckham isn't a great player, he is, but be careful with this all-time stuff. Given the rules changes, you need to compare players against players in their own era.


Leave it to Homer to poop on everyone's party.

RE: RE: To me thats more a reflection  
eclipz928 : 1/18/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13794041 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13793776 8 Ball said:


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Of the shitty WR and bad injury luck NYG has had over the years.



This.

~4500 yds in the ~3 seasons Beckham's played is great. The fact that the Giants #2 all time in receiving yards only has ~5500 yds is an indictment of the WRs that have played for them, particularly in the "modern" era. Pick a random team and the bar for #2 is likely higher (even the expansion Jags have 2 players >6000 yds).
It's both. Bad numbers for the all-time Giants receivers, great numbers for Odell.

For better reference, Larry Fitzgerald is currently 3rd in NFL history with 15,545 yds over 14 seasons. That's an average of 1110 yds per year.

Beckham is currently at 4,424 yds, averaging 1106 yds per year (including this past season that was cut short due to injury). If he stays healthy the sky is the limit for him.
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