Gettleman has been very strong in Free Agency

was another under the radar signing during the Gettleman era here...he had some huge plays to get us into the playoffs (bills pick six in the snow) and a couple huge plays in the playoffs.

I don't care that McKenzie received a much larger contract. When McKenzie came aboard it stabilized the entire offensive line. McKenzie was a big reason why Tiki, Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ward ran so well.

while he was here. Their FA pickups went a little south after he left.

a lot of under the radar type signings as we do not have big money cap space and too many needs to spend a lot in one spot. The Oline seems like the most likely target along with a FS and a VET 3rd WR with size. LB's, speed 4th WR, FS and CB along with Dline help will be in the draft (after QB of course)...

is the one where teams can roll unused cap space over. Admittedly I haven't done a ton of research into it, but it seems like the gap between those who can spend and those who must penny-pinch grows larger each year. That can't be a good thing in the long run, can it?

It may be more difficult to sign quality FA now than it was 10-12 years ago, since there is such a gap between the 49ers/Browns (estimated $120/$112MM in cap space) and the Giants (estimated $23MM per Sportrac).

Has been a big factor in evaluating free agents and McKenzie was a big acquisition and really stabilized our offensive line.

I am more impressed with O'Hara. This was an unknown who was a backup who only played 3 games. Gettleman talked about how he analyzed those 3 games and watched every snap over and over again. He believed we found our solution at center and he was right.

I equate McKenzie to a 1st round pick and O'Hara a late round to undrafted. I am more impressed with the unknown gems uncovered.

Obviously OL and LB need to be the focus:

Norwell
Solder
Penn

Bradham
Hitchens
Foster
Williamson

well if they plan on making a final run with Eli at the helm. The issue is the cap and upcoming UFAs.

It’s what are you doing for me today that counts.

sign a few tackles (underrated guys who can blossom), likely at least one Guard (Pugh will leave) and a LB or 2. Possibly a young DE as well.

The 23m we have will grow with restructures or outright releases. We will have a much different looking OL before he draft. Simply impossible we do not, he knows what got Reese and Ross fired

and now he's an all pro guard and arguably the best guard in football.

so does he bear any responsibility for the poor drafts from '09-'12? I was under the impression that Reese signed Kawika Mitchell, and was rounded mocked at the time - now were giving Gettleman credit for that?

I think Gettleman is going to be fine - I just don't understand why some here can't give Reese credit for a mostly very good run the 23 years he was here. It was time for a change, much like with TC. No need to minimize the man's accomplishments overall.

because it appears we need a LT most, and mapping out the cap hits he'd want to pay for one before an OG.

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because it appears we need a LT most, and mapping out the cap hits he'd want to pay for one before an OG.

I think we all expect him to go hard after Norwell due to his familiarity/need. A good way to begin fixing the interior of the offensive line would be to let Pugh walk via free agency, unless he is willing to accept 6-7 million annually, sign Norwell and draft Isaiah Wynn in the 3rd round to start at G. It would be a solid depth move to re-sign Fluker to a 1-2 year deal and cut Jerry. Let Fluker and Wynn battle for the RG spot. Wynn is undersized but he could play RT in the NFL IMO so even if he doesn't start week immediately he would be a very valuable reserve. I would like to see Richburg re-signed to a 1 year prove it deal as I believe he could still turn it around under a new OL coach such as Grimm.

$10M+ unless you really like your tackles, or have a contingency plan.

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so does he bear any responsibility for the poor drafts from '09-'12? I was under the impression that Reese signed Kawika Mitchell, and was rounded mocked at the time - now were giving Gettleman credit for that

Officially, Reese signed all the FA. But Gettleman was in charge of the evaluation as head of of the pro personnel dept that identified and graded the FA targets. He didn’t have anything to do with the college draft and the evaluation of those players.

sign Norwell, give Richburg a small prove it deal, kick EF to RT, then you can see how it might shape up.

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sign Norwell, give Richburg a small prove it deal, kick EF to RT, then you can see how it might shape up.

I think that is the direction they end up going except that instead of signing Solder, I think they will draft a LT in the second and maybe sign some one like Donald Penn as short term insurance

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In comment 13793922 JonC said: Quote: sign Norwell, give Richburg a small prove it deal, kick EF to RT, then you can see how it might shape up. I think that is the direction they end up going except that instead of signing Solder, I think they will draft a LT in the second and maybe sign some one like Donald Penn as short term insurance

Yeah, I'd prefer they draft an LT as well, lock him in some short team cap savings and coach him up. EF to RT. Wonder if DG bothers making a significant effort to retain Pugh or Richburg.

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sign Norwell, give Richburg a small prove it deal, kick EF to RT, then you can see how it might shape up.

Hasn't Richburg already proved.. he should not be re-signed?

his hire. Talent evaluation. We should have never let him go. Thank Accorsi for that. This guy knows talent but more importantly what your team needs to compliment their schemes. With him and Abrams we are in good hands NOW.

If their 2nd and 3rd round picks were a LT and G. Isaiah Wynn could be available in the 3rd round and I am very high on him. I think he is going to be similar to Carl Nicks who played T in college but had to move to G in the pro's and became an all-pro.

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so does he bear any responsibility for the poor drafts from '09-'12? I was under the impression that Reese signed Kawika Mitchell, and was rounded mocked at the time - now were giving Gettleman credit for that? I think Gettleman is going to be fine - I just don't understand why some here can't give Reese credit for a mostly very good run the 23 years he was here. It was time for a change, much like with TC. No need to minimize the man's accomplishments overall.

Um, the point is that Gettleman's responsibility was Pro Personnel during those years, so the observation is that the FA signings were better when he held that position, and dropped significantly when he left.

much better if we could find another Mckenzie. He was the most impactfull guy on that line.

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$10M+ unless you really like your tackles, or have a contingency plan.

If the Giants are going to fix the OL in FA, they’re going to have to pay top dollar for it.

It’s obvious the dumpster diving method hasn’t worked.

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In comment 13793906 JonC said: Quote: $10M+ unless you really like your tackles, or have a contingency plan. If the Giants are going to fix the OL in FA, they’re going to have to pay top dollar for it. It’s obvious the dumpster diving method hasn’t worked.

It's fine provided you get what you pay for, not spend like a drunken sailor. The former is easier said than done.

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In comment 13793922 JonC said: Quote: sign Norwell, give Richburg a small prove it deal, kick EF to RT, then you can see how it might shape up. Hasn't Richburg already proved.. he should not be re-signed?

I'd let him and Pugh both go, but not so sure DG will concur.

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This is the only way they should even consider Penn. I like signing that Center from Baltimore better than giving Richburg anything.

Also, doesn't Gettleman's history with aging vets preclude him from signing Penn who is 34 (35 when seadon starts)?

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I'd let him and Pugh both go, but not so sure DG will concur.

Have you heard which they prefer? I would assume they would look to bring back Richburg as he will be cheaper and he doesn't have the concussion concerns that Pugh does.

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In comment 13793954 Reb8thVA said: Quote: In comment 13793922 JonC said: Quote: sign Norwell, give Richburg a small prove it deal, kick EF to RT, then you can see how it might shape up. I think that is the direction they end up going except that instead of signing Solder, I think they will draft a LT in the second and maybe sign some one like Donald Penn as short term insurance This is the only way they should even consider Penn. I like signing that Center from Baltimore better than giving Richburg anything. Also, doesn't Gettleman's history with aging vets preclude him from signing Penn who is 34 (35 when seadon starts)?

I like Jensen too but I think he is going to get a bigger deal than we realize and he will be too rich for the Giants blood. If Penn is willing to sign for 1 year then fine but with his bahvior last season I doubt that he will.

Not sure how much info will leak under DG compared to Reese.

that Wheeler and Bis may actually pan out.

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that Wheeler and Bis may actually pan out.

They might wind up with no better option, but relying on either player is a poor gamble and poor planning.

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that Wheeler and Bis may actually pan out.

I am a big fan of Wheeler but I don't think Bisnowaty is going to ever be more than a backup. Wheeler could surprise next year with a full off-season in an NFL strength and conditioning program. The effort Gettleman puts into finding a LT will speak volumes about his faith in Wheeler. Gettleman appears to be much better at evaluating offensive linemen. It would certainly help to add a talented LG to the mix.

to be a tackle.

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to be a tackle.

I don't know if he is a guard. He has to get significantly stronger to move inside. He was easily pushed back and he struggled mightily against the bull rush.