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Rosen's shoulder surgery

Stan in LA : 1/17/2018 11:52 am
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The operation he underwent was exploratory.

“They went in to diagnose what was wrong,” he said. “They knew where something was messed up; they didn’t know what it was. There were a few possibilities, they said before going in. Came out, said it was the best-case scenario.”

What was found was soft tissue damage.

“It’s like pulling a hamstring, almost, in the shoulder,” Rosen said.

Did he fear something worse?

Rosen laughed. “Hell yeah,” he said.

He was spared not only a long recovery, but also psychological anguish.

“A lot of guys with full reconstructive surgeries, whether it be knees, shoulders, anything like that, when they’re out eight to nine months it takes a real strong mental toll and you really have to fight through it,” he said.

“I was a pretty quick four to five months, and I was back in the swing of things relatively quickly, considering what it could have been. I got to hit that emotional bottom, in a sense, pretty quickly, and I got to get back on the hor


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Quarterback Josh Rosen underwent successful shoulder surgery Monday morning to repair a soft tissue injury in his right shoulder, UCLA announced.

The sophomore, who suffered the injury to his throwing shoulder a month ago against Arizona State, is expected to make a full recovery.

Head coach Jim Mora said it is “100 percent not a nerve issue,” despite the coach mentioning a nerve issue two weeks ago. Mora reiterated that he misspoke when he initially mentioned a nerve issue and declined to give any specifics on the nature of the procedure performed Monday by Dr. Ranjan Gupta, professor of orthopedic surgery at UC Irvine Medical Center.

When asked if the injury could be potentially career-threatening, Mora said “absolutely not."

https://www.dailynews.com/2016/11/07/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-has-successful-shoulder-surgery/
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Concussions... shoulder surgery  
EricJ : 1/17/2018 11:53 am : link
no thanks
Positive news  
JonC : 1/17/2018 11:54 am : link
but, the concussions ...
I really  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2018 11:56 am : link
haven't dived into the draft yet, but man this guy has a few red flags.
Pass  
Mr. Nickels : 1/17/2018 11:56 am : link
I think he could fall on draft day.
lots of risk here.  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 11:58 am : link
all of these QBs have some red flags if you're going to take them with a top 5 pick.
more than a few  
Allen in CNJ : 1/17/2018 11:58 am : link
red flags - NO THANKS
I like Rosen  
Marty866b : 1/17/2018 11:59 am : link
But for me he is a hard pass. You need to pick a "cleaner" player at #2.
Concussions are obviously a concern  
UberAlias : 1/17/2018 12:01 pm : link
But let me ask, are there a lot of examples of young QBs careers getting derailed due to concisions? I can think of examples from older guys at the end of their careers after years in the league, but who are the young QB prospects who's careers were derailed due to concussions? There were several NFL QBs who had concisions this year.
I still want Mayfield  
jvm52106 : 1/17/2018 12:01 pm : link
warts and all. That guy has a Brett Favre quality to him and I can see him being a fiery leader who wills his team to victory. Give him a solid running game and an offense that allows for his skill set to be used properly and look out!
Along with the build of  
Sy'56 : 1/17/2018 12:04 pm : link
a high school sophomore. This is a scary QB prospect for sure.
Not as many  
lax counsel : 1/17/2018 12:05 pm : link
Red flags as some here would like you to believe. Shoulder seems fine. He is also an articulate and intelligent human being with an opinion. He is not getting in trouble off the field like some others. It confuses me as to how some point to Rosen's "off-the-field" issues (largely overblown), and in the next breath want to take Baker Mayfield- the poster child for off the field issues.

If you pass on a talent like Rosen, who would do pretty well in the New York market. You better damn well make sure you KNOW there is a qb in the 2019 draft that is as good or better and be ready to sell the farm to go up and get him if there even is a willing trade partner. Right now, there are no indications that's 2019 will produce any strong qbs.
It’s sucks  
cokeduplt : 1/17/2018 12:06 pm : link
Because I think he’s by far the best QB in the draft but the concussions do scare me. I think the combine will be huge for him.
Fyi  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/17/2018 12:08 pm : link
A torn rotator cuff is a soft tissue injury. Do the draft prospects sign a release for the nfl to read trough their medical records, or do they just ask them about the surgery?...also regarding your QBs careers being shortened by concussions, I don’t think we have a large enough sample size at this point. Concussion protocols have only been implemented for a few years. Definitely a red flag for me.
Pick 2 overall?  
superspynyg : 1/17/2018 12:09 pm : link
Ehhhhhhhhh prob not.

Pick 34? Yes I would take a chance. But he will not be there then.

So Darnold to Cleveland at 1. Barkley to us at 2.
I think Rosen will be the guy..  
Sean : 1/17/2018 12:10 pm : link
who drops like a rock on draft day.
There's shoulder surgery and there's SHOULDER SURGERY  
Stan in LA : 1/17/2018 12:10 pm : link
His was minor and now is a non-issue.
Lots of talent, but . . . .  
TC : 1/17/2018 12:11 pm : link
just too much risk of having a very short NFL career. Hope that doesn't happen for his sake, but not with the Giants. Considering the kind of pounding I've watched Eli take, I can't see him making it through one season.
And this is just the phyiscal side.  
Stufftherun : 1/17/2018 12:11 pm : link
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind, whether a fan or someone in the front office, doesn't take all of this into account and just say, no thanks.
RE: Pick 2 overall?  
lax counsel : 1/17/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13793971 superspynyg said:
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Ehhhhhhhhh prob not.

Pick 34? Yes I would take a chance. But he will not be there then.

So Darnold to Cleveland at 1. Barkley to us at 2.


I assume you are ok with the average shelf life of a running back then, to waste a number 2 pick on one.
Early in the process yet  
Chris684 : 1/17/2018 12:13 pm : link
But I'm wondering if a trade back with an eye towards Mayfield or Allen is the better bet.
You couldn't ask for a more coachable kid  
Milton : 1/17/2018 12:14 pm : link
He's a 6'4", 218 lbs 20-year old. He's going to get bigger and stronger. If you pass on this kind of talent when it's glaring right at you, you will regret for a long, long time. Especially if he's playing for the Jets.

The injuries/concussions are a concern, but not enough of a concern to dislodge him from the top of your draft board. The rest of the red flags are all bull shit. He is an offensive coordinator's wet dream.
great thrower  
Phil in LA : 1/17/2018 12:15 pm : link
of the football.
Rosen might = Jay Cutler  
gtt350 : 1/17/2018 12:15 pm : link
that's the biggest red flag for me
RE: Rosen might = Jay Cutler  
Milton : 1/17/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13793993 gtt350 said:
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that's the biggest red flag for me
That's one of the bull shit red flags I was talking about.
pass on Rosen  
mdc1 : 1/17/2018 12:20 pm : link
.
Too much is being made of Mayfield's "character problems"  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/17/2018 12:21 pm : link
He is a typical college kid who will likely mature when he needs to
Myles Jack was too risky  
shyster : 1/17/2018 12:21 pm : link
His leg was going to fall off (or explode into fragments) any minute.

Eli Apple was the safe pick.

Everything's risky. Drafting the best player at most important position (by far) on the field is the K-I-S-S principle. Violate the principle at considerable risk.
This is a great opportunity  
BlueManCrew : 1/17/2018 12:22 pm : link
for a trade down. We say the same shit every year but if there was ever a time this is it. Switch with Denver or the Jets, take the better of Mayfield/Allen, in the second take Price and Guice. We have too many holes on the roster to screw this up.
Remember when everyone questioned Brees after his shoulder surgery  
Peppers : 1/17/2018 12:24 pm : link
Dolphins do.
RE: Pass  
Breeze_94 : 1/17/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13793948 Mr. Nickels said:
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I think he could fall on draft day.


Don't think he'll get past the Jets. But apparently Denver loves Mayfield, they want him on their team for the senior bowl.
"soft tissue"  
ryanmkeane : 1/17/2018 12:30 pm : link
injury to his shoulder...ok so basically he had a bruised shoulder?

C'mon...this is nothing.
RE: Along with the build of  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13793963 Sy'56 said:
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a high school sophomore. This is a scary QB prospect for sure.


this
RE: great thrower  
Rjanyg : 1/17/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13793992 Phil in LA said:
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of the football.


Phil,

Would you take him at 2?
it was a year ago  
PerpetualNervousness : 1/17/2018 12:37 pm : link
and all the teams looking at him will scrutinize his shoulder every which way. it's not going to be a question mark by the time of the draft
RE: RE: great thrower  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13794038 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 13793992 Phil in LA said:


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of the football.



Phil,

Would you take him at 2?
.

I'll answer for him lol hell fucking yes. He's a great QB.
We've all seen Tom Brady's photo from the combine.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2018 12:45 pm : link
Not exactly an Adonis when he was 22 years old, either. No way to sugarcoat the concussions - they are a huge obstacle - but I'd have no complaints if he were the pick.
Each issue isn't much on its own  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2018 12:47 pm : link
but when you starting putting them together, and then think of the importance of hitting our #2 pick, it makes you pause at a minimum.
Its risky  
UESBLUE : 1/17/2018 12:47 pm : link
but maybe you can trade down and still get this guy now?
Watch film on Rosen and then tell me you won't draft him  
idinkido : 1/17/2018 12:48 pm : link
This guy has the potential to be one of the best QBs in the NFL. What you do is get him an OL that can protect him and help the running game.
No way  
jtgiants : 1/17/2018 12:52 pm : link
I take Rosen at 2. Only an I take is Darnold. If not take Barkley Chubb or trade back. You don't take a kid with 2 concussions and shoulder surgery at #2. No way he's the pick. N ring wrong on a qb is worse than passing on one. Too many issues here
He also  
jtgiants : 1/17/2018 12:54 pm : link
Is more polished than Darnold but Darnold has a much higher ceiling.
RE: Rosen might = Jay Cutler  
Mr. Bungle : 1/17/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13793993 gtt350 said:
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that's the biggest red flag for me

He's nothing like Cutler.
Shaved labrum? Mild rotator cuff injury?  
yatqb : 1/17/2018 12:56 pm : link
Give the velocity of his throws, imo that is likely a non-issue. Of course they'll give him an MRI and review his medicals at the Combine, but I doubt that teams will be scared off by that issue. And if he's drafted by the Giants, you know they aren't worried about that.

This guy is the most accurate and best passer in the draft. If he also reads defenses well he'd be a no brainer at 2.

And this stuff about his body, Sy? The kid's just been measured at 6'3"/220. And he's 20 years old. He looks rock solid to me in a tight shirt, far more muscular than Eli ever was, or is now.

He's my target at 2 if we think his head is on straight.
RE: He also  
arcarsenal : 1/17/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13794081 jtgiants said:
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Is more polished than Darnold but Darnold has a much higher ceiling.


This isn't true.
I don't get the Cutler or Leaf comparisons  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2018 12:57 pm : link
Rosen doesn't remind me of either. Outspoken doesn't = moron.

Rosen's concussions are the worry. No way he's had just 2.
We all have to wait  
Marty866b : 1/17/2018 1:00 pm : link
The medicals at the combine will determine Rosen's future draft position.
That’s almost a year ago  
jeff57 : 1/17/2018 1:01 pm : link
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When was this?  
Archer : 1/17/2018 1:04 pm : link
It appears that the article was written in 2016.
He has not shown any signs of his shoulder being a problem.

Dude is made of glass  
B in ALB : 1/17/2018 1:04 pm : link
Wouldn't draft him at #2 if he was the only qb on the board. He's an injury settlement waiting to happen.
∧ btw  
B in ALB : 1/17/2018 1:05 pm : link
Why is Stanley posting an article from November 2016?
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