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| The operation he underwent was exploratory. “They went in to diagnose what was wrong,” he said. “They knew where something was messed up; they didn’t know what it was. There were a few possibilities, they said before going in. Came out, said it was the best-case scenario.” What was found was soft tissue damage. “It’s like pulling a hamstring, almost, in the shoulder,” Rosen said. Did he fear something worse? Rosen laughed. “Hell yeah,” he said. He was spared not only a long recovery, but also psychological anguish. “A lot of guys with full reconstructive surgeries, whether it be knees, shoulders, anything like that, when they’re out eight to nine months it takes a real strong mental toll and you really have to fight through it,” he said. “I was a pretty quick four to five months, and I was back in the swing of things relatively quickly, considering what it could have been. I got to hit that emotional bottom, in a sense, pretty quickly, and I got to get back on the hor |
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| Quarterback Josh Rosen underwent successful shoulder surgery Monday morning to repair a soft tissue injury in his right shoulder, UCLA announced. The sophomore, who suffered the injury to his throwing shoulder a month ago against Arizona State, is expected to make a full recovery. Head coach Jim Mora said it is “100 percent not a nerve issue,” despite the coach mentioning a nerve issue two weeks ago. Mora reiterated that he misspoke when he initially mentioned a nerve issue and declined to give any specifics on the nature of the procedure performed Monday by Dr. Ranjan Gupta, professor of orthopedic surgery at UC Irvine Medical Center. When asked if the injury could be potentially career-threatening, Mora said “absolutely not." |
Rosen is the better prospect with a better skill set. All of the questions about him are centered around his health. Darnold is safer and can potentially become a really good player, but Rosen's ceiling is higher and he's further ahead as a passer as well as mechanically.
I think the guy is either going to be Heath Shuler or Aaron Rodgers.
Nobody knows for sure which that will be- is Gettleman the gambling type or does he prefer the safe bet?
I know that personally I wouldn't touch him but I also know that the Giants are going to have the best neurologists and orthopedists in the world examine the kid and his history.
That's enough faith for me if the Giants do wind up taking him.
He can make all throws, has a great delivery, and elevates the talent around him. But that injury history, especially the concussion history, is a major red flag.
Call me crazy but I would not be at all surprised with Shurmur being the HC, if the Giants are less hesitant about going with a QB that might need some development, but projects well to the pro game. Shurmur has shown he can be successful developing Quarterbacks, and has produced great years with the likes of Nick Foles, Sam Bradford, and Case Keenum. Not exactly Canton material.
I think Davis Webb will get a long look from Shurmur during the lead up to the draft, and I think you cannot rule out the Giants taking a player that projects well but has question marks. Perhaps a Josh Allen, or maybe Mason Rudolph in the late first or early 2nd.
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Not true how? Darnolds upside is better and to me Rosen is further along now. If you disagree fine but I stand by this cause its true
Rosen is the better prospect with a better skill set. All of the questions about him are centered around his health. Darnold is safer and can potentially become a really good player, but Rosen's ceiling is higher and he's further ahead as a passer as well as mechanically.
Agree.
I’m sure they’ll go over his medicals with a fine tooth comb. They won’t take him unless they feel confident in his health.
If the Giants choose to select Rosen it will be only if their medical gives him clearance.
None of us know the extent of his injuries. I have read that the concussions were minor and that he was withheld for precautionary reasons. But that is hearsay.
If Rosen is deemed healthy his talent is undeniable.
He played in a pro style offense. He has great feet and knows how to buy time in the pocket. He can make all the throws and in tight windows.
He is more athletic than people give him credit for.
As evidenced that he was a top amateur tennis player.
He will surprise most of you when he physically tests out much better than other QBs.
He is young and needs to fill out and get stronger.
He is the best pocket passer in years and it would be a mistake to pass on him.
It's when he had the surgery Einstein.
The injuries/concussions are a concern, but not enough of a concern to dislodge him from the top of your draft board. The rest of the red flags are all bull shit. He is an offensive coordinator's wet dream.
Didn't Jared Goff have the same frame? Matt Ryan too, maybe, I know Goff did..? His frame would concern me more so if it came with Darnold's or Allen's skill set, Every QB gets hit but don't they do enough to protect these stay in the pocket passers which is exactly what Rosen is?
How do you like Rosen strictly as a passer or how do you compare him to some of the better QB's to have been drafted in recent years?
No, I don't think so.
Most of why he's in the mix is because he was fantastic in 2016.
It's worth noting that his OL was much worse this year, however - which likely played a role in his regression.
There's a lot of "potential" with Darnold. He has a lot of the traits you look for in a big time QB. But he's not quite there yet.
I like him as a prospect and I feel he's "safer" than Rosen from a health standpoint, but he has a bit to work on .
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Not true how? Darnolds upside is better and to me Rosen is further along now. If you disagree fine but I stand by this cause its true
Rosen is the better prospect with a better skill set. All of the questions about him are centered around his health. Darnold is safer and can potentially become a really good player, but Rosen's ceiling is higher and he's further ahead as a passer as well as mechanically.
Not just health... Character questions... he is no Maurice Clarett by any means but he hasn't gotten the best reviews in that department
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...but I wonder if Darnold was an unknown coming into this past season would he be discussed as a potential #1 pick? I watched parts of every game, and to say he was underwhelming would be putting it nicely. Inconsistent mechanics, poor decision making, and the admitted crisis of confidence are all true red flags to my eyes. Just curious, obviously I am not a scout so I admit I am basically ignorant...
No, I don't think so.
Most of why he's in the mix is because he was fantastic in 2016.
It's worth noting that his OL was much worse this year, however - which likely played a role in his regression.
There's a lot of "potential" with Darnold. He has a lot of the traits you look for in a big time QB. But he's not quite there yet.
I like him as a prospect and I feel he's "safer" than Rosen from a health standpoint, but he has a bit to work on .
Darnold is safer from a health standpoint but Rosen is safer from a talent standpoint. It is a really tough decision to make for the Giants. I personally wouldn't touch Rosen because of the concussions. If the Giants take him I won't complain but I would prefer they go elsewhere.
Hopefully our team makes the right one.
No shoulder issue and no concussion issue despite pulling double duty as the lead running threat... If that's not a sign of durability I don't know what is.
Not to mention, the way QBs are protected by the rules, the injury concerns should be mitigated at least somewhat. The kid is smart. Having him behind Eli for a year or two will show him how the most consistently available QB handles his business on and off the field. Can't ask for a better starting point in a gamble pick like this.
Not just health... Character questions... he is no Maurice Clarett by any means but he hasn't gotten the best reviews in that department
Not to mention that his father is a neurosurgeon/spine surgeon, who you would think would be very sensitive/conservative about his son continuing to play if he had another concussion. Obviously, all these QBs are at risk of injury playing in the NFL, even if they haven't been injured in college. I don't see how you can risk a pick this high for a QB with Rosen's already established injury history. It is far too important a pick for the franchise.
Medicals can't tell you what's going to happen on a football field a year from now let alone 2 - 3 years. Sure, you can say that about anyone coming out of the 2018 draft, but as of today, we only know of Rosen having concussion issues and not the other so-called top QB's in this draft.
Come on people, get real! It's not as if # 2 overall picks just fall from the sky. If he ends up taking a hard hit or two from "grown men" and he's out for an extended period with concussion symptoms, it's all over and you set your franchise back for years! Plain and simple, it's just not worth the risk!
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Why is Stanley posting an article from November 2016?
It's when he had the surgery Einstein.
I realize that. But what's your fucking point? You make none in the OP.
Or did you not realize you linked an article from 2016?
Didn't see this at first, but exactly Peppers.
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Why is Stanley posting an article from November 2016?
It's when he had the surgery Einstein.
I realize that. But what's your fucking point? You make none in the OP.
Or did you not realize you linked an article from 2016?
Yeah, and I also linked an article from 2017, so what? Both are relevant.
His "character concerns" dont bother me. He was an 18/19 y/o kid in college in California during the most tumultuous election in US history.
The concussions bother me. Can anybody (other than Stan prerably) provide any insight into his concussion severity/timeline? I tried a quick google but am only seeing the stories about him being out for the Cactus Bowl.
Thats really not good if that happened to him in the COLLEGE game.
His "character concerns" dont bother me. He was an 18/19 y/o kid in college in California during the most tumultuous election in US history.
The concussions bother me. Can anybody (other than Stan prerably) provide any insight into his concussion severity/timeline? I tried a quick google but am only seeing the stories about him being out for the Cactus Bowl.
+1...I am wondering how doctor's can predict the likelihood of future concussions. The answer is they can't.
Aikman? And I think Steve Young
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...because of concussions?
Aikman? And I think Steve Young
But 2 in a month and a half is BAD.
His "character concerns" dont bother me. He was an 18/19 y/o kid in college in California during the most tumultuous election in US history.
The concussions bother me. Can anybody (other than Stan prerably) provide any insight into his concussion severity/timeline? I tried a quick google but am only seeing the stories about him being out for the Cactus Bowl.
Are one of his parents a physician,spinal surgeon? His parents are connected I assume looking at the pedigreee.
He can recklessly pursue his goals, make money and walk away with an education and connections. Let's not pursue this on the Giants dime, unless its a good investment with return.
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...because of concussions?
Aikman? And I think Steve Young
Steve Young was 38-years old at the time. As for Aikman....
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The 2000 season was Aikman's final season as a professional football player. Aikman suffered from several concussions during the season, and a revolving door at QB took place between Aikman and former Eagles QB Randall Cunningham. Aikman's final game was at home against the Washington Redskins. He was hit by linebacker LaVar Arrington and suffered the tenth and final concussion of his career.....During a late December 2013 radio interview, Aikman said the real reason he retired was due to persistent back issues he had in his final season. Aikman explained that he had back surgery in the offseason following Super Bowl XXVII with no complications but by the time he reached his final season he was constantly getting treatment for back pain. While the hit by Arrington ended his 2000 season, he claims it was the back pain and not that concussion that ended his career.
Well in this day and age, the chances are HIGH that the league does not allow a player with 10 documented concussions to continue to play the sport.