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Steelers fire OC Haley

jlukes : 1/17/2018 12:12 pm
Per multiple reporters on twitter
Why?  
mattlawson : 1/17/2018 12:12 pm : link
He did a great job there I thought
still trying to  
Gordo : 1/17/2018 12:13 pm : link
figure out that 4th down play call. But honestly, the onsides kick is on Tomlin.
from Rotoworld...  
Mike in St. Louis : 1/17/2018 12:13 pm : link
"The Steelers will not bring back OC Todd Haley.

The writing was on the wall for this one. Both coach Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger reportedly butted heads with Haley, and the Steelers will let Haley walk now that his contract is up. There's no question he ran some of the most potent offenses in his six years calling play for Pittsburgh, but the Steelers were never able to clear the final hurdles, failing to even win an AFC title with Haley. It's possible OL coach Mike Munchak will earn a promotion to OC after he turned down a second interview with the Cardinals for their head-coach job on Wednesday."
His personality is a disaster  
Sean : 1/17/2018 12:13 pm : link
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Not fired, his contract expired  
jlukes : 1/17/2018 12:13 pm : link
And steelers informed him they won't be re signing him
Ben has hated him from day 1  
djstat : 1/17/2018 12:15 pm : link
The offense overall is good, but play calling in critical situations is average at best. Sunday was awful.

Also he is supposedly a jerk
RE: Not fired, his contract expired  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13793986 jlukes said:
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And steelers informed him they won't be re signing him


Same thing.
RE: Ben has hated him from day 1  
superspynyg : 1/17/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13793994 djstat said:
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The offense overall is good, but play calling in critical situations is average at best. Sunday was awful.

Also he is supposedly a jerk


Really? I thought their offensive comeback was great. They always put up points. He may be an ass but he is a good OC.
RE: Ben has hated him from day 1  
gmenatlarge : 1/17/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13793994 djstat said:
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The offense overall is good, but play calling in critical situations is average at best. Sunday was awful.

Also he is supposedly a jerk


They scored 42 points, how "awful" could it have been. Criticizing play-calling is the ultimate second guess.
They lost that game because the  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/17/2018 12:20 pm : link
Arrogance to try to throw on that Defense. Yes Ben threw for a bunch of yards, but at the end of the day what put Jax in the game was 2 TDs from offensive passing turnovers (the INT and Strip Sack).

Should have just ran the ball and make Blake Bortles try to beat them.
Maybe it was because of this  
JohnF : 1/17/2018 12:23 pm : link
Dilly Dilly audible: Did Ben Roethlisberger really say it during the Titans game?

If so, off to the Pit of Misery with Todd!!!
Wonder if Munchak is being...  
Ryan : 1/17/2018 12:25 pm : link
...promoted and that's why he declined the interview in AZ.
This guy always seems to end up  
ryanmkeane : 1/17/2018 12:27 pm : link
causing a rift with players.
Tomlin definitely feeling the heat  
ghost718 : 1/17/2018 12:31 pm : link
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RE: Wonder if Munchak is being...  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13794018 Ryan said:
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...promoted and that's why he declined the interview in AZ.


would make sense. I said in the other post, he gets the OC job at PIT, replacing an asshole like Haley makes him look good to players, and if they decide to move on from Tomlin at some point he has the inside track.
He will go back to  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/17/2018 12:34 pm : link
The Patriots. Watch.
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arcarsenal : 1/17/2018 12:35 pm : link
I wouldn't want anything to do with Haley.

He's a tough coordinator to evaluate. I'm not sure many guys would have trouble with an upper-echelon QB paired with the best RB and best WR in football at their disposal.

There seem to be personality issues that follow him around, though. Doesn't seem to be a real popular guy on his sidelines. Maybe it's overblown - but it's hard to think he's a big reason for offensive success they've had there.

His offenses were awful in KC when he was coaching there.
RE: He will go back to  
arcarsenal : 1/17/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13794034 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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The Patriots. Watch.


Back to the Patriots? He's never coached there.
RE: .  
ryanmkeane : 1/17/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13794036 arcarsenal said:
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There seem to be personality issues that follow him around, though.

I think we call it "the bottle"
Bar fighting didn't help  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2018 12:45 pm : link
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You can tell Ben can't stand him  
ZogZerg : 1/17/2018 12:49 pm : link
Not a surprise at all.
He is a great offensive mind  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2018 12:53 pm : link
but he has a huge ego and he is very abrasive. He wouldn't be a good option here especially with a young QB.
There's no surprise here.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/17/2018 12:54 pm : link
This was completely expected.
RE: You can tell Ben can't stand him  
arcarsenal : 1/17/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13794068 ZogZerg said:
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Not a surprise at all.


Ben was really vocal about not wanting him when he was first hired. He didn't want Arians to leave.
Ben didn’t get along with him  
jeff57 : 1/17/2018 12:56 pm : link
But he’s still a good coordinator.
Their defense cost them  
jeff57 : 1/17/2018 12:57 pm : link
So they let their OC walk. Makes sense.
RE: Ben has hated him from day 1  
jeff57 : 1/17/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13793994 djstat said:
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The offense overall is good, but play calling in critical situations is average at best. Sunday was awful.

Also he is supposedly a jerk


Ben is a dick also.
Also a lot of speculation that he likes  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2018 1:04 pm : link
to knock a few back quite often.
RE: Also a lot of speculation that he likes  
jeff57 : 1/17/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13794116 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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to knock a few back quite often.


Having to deal with Ben, can you blame him?
RE: Their defense cost them  
bluepepper : 1/17/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13794095 jeff57 said:
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So they let their OC walk. Makes sense.

Personality issues not performance issues.
RE: RE: Not fired, his contract expired  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13793995 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13793986 jlukes said:


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And steelers informed him they won't be re signing him



Same thing.

In some sense it does seem like semantics, but there really are two different levels of consideration/dissatisfaction between deciding to terminate an existing contract (and financially, to pay it out) versus being unwilling to renew an expired contract with someone.

The end result is the same, but you have to be worse to get fired than to not get renewed, IMO.
RE: He will go back to  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13794034 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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The Patriots. Watch.

Back to the Patriots? Has he ever been with the Patriots before?
After hearing Florio on the FAN, I'm surprised he lasted this long  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/17/2018 1:36 pm : link
His QB hated him, and he's an obnoxious embarrassing drunk. What makes this so strange is that the Steelers have been the most stable franchise in any sport that I know of. They haven't fired a head coach since the 1960's. Tomlin may be putting them to the test.
RE: RE: He will go back to  
arcarsenal : 1/17/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13794150 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13794034 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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The Patriots. Watch.


Back to the Patriots? Has he ever been with the Patriots before?


Nope.
RE: After hearing Florio on the FAN, I'm surprised he lasted this long  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13794169 Ron from Ninerland said:
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His QB hated him, and he's an obnoxious embarrassing drunk. What makes this so strange is that the Steelers have been the most stable franchise in any sport that I know of. They haven't fired a head coach since the 1960's. Tomlin may be putting them to the test.

Florio is the ultimate Steeler's homer. Just a few weeks ago he wrote about how he felt it was absurd that Todd Haley wasn't in consideration for any of the potential HC openings. Now that he's fired Florio is calling him a malcontent.
For chrissakes  
RetroJint : 1/17/2018 2:01 pm : link
they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.

Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.

It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
RE: Their defense cost them  
Toth029 : 1/17/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13794095 jeff57 said:
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So they let their OC walk. Makes sense.

Ben gifted them 14 pts. Defense wasn't good but the offense was great either. In fact they have consistently underwhelmed in the post-season on offense. In their last seven playoff games, they have scored 18 or fewer PPG in five of them. With Brown and Bell that's pathetic.
RE: RE: Their defense cost them  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/17/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13794231 Toth029 said:
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In comment 13794095 jeff57 said:


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So they let their OC walk. Makes sense.


Ben gifted them 14 pts. Defense wasn't good but the offense was great either. In fact they have consistently underwhelmed in the post-season on offense. In their last seven playoff games, they have scored 18 or fewer PPG in five of them. With Brown and Bell that's pathetic.


The reason those points were gifted to them, was because their gameplan offensively sucked from the first series. You are playing a team that is known for sacking the QB and having a nasty pass defense. They open up the game with 3 5-wide plays.

I will never understand their need to be so pass happy when you have one of the best backs in the league. Hit him with short intermediate stuff or run him to death. Force JAX to score. Don't play right into their strength as a team.
RE: For chrissakes  
HomerJones45 : 1/17/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13794223 RetroJint said:
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they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.

Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.

It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
It's ridiculous. Go ahead and fire Tomlin; he'll have another offer in 15 minutes. I don't think the Rooneys are that dumb
RE: RE: For chrissakes  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13794351 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13794223 RetroJint said:


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they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.

Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.

It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.

It's ridiculous. Go ahead and fire Tomlin; he'll have another offer in 15 minutes. I don't think the Rooneys are that dumb


So true. Maybe the Giants will sign him if agrees to keep Spags and Quinn ;-)
Keep Haley in the booth away from the players. That will be successful  
Ivan15 : 1/17/2018 4:24 pm : link
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As expected Florio is blaming Haley  
Jay on the Island : 1/18/2018 3:40 pm : link
Although Tomlin ultimately is responsible for the various situational-football flaws that the Steelers demonstrated both against the Patriots in December and the Jaguars on Sunday, Haley is the one whose fingerprints primarily are on the lack of a detailed and organized plan of attack when the game is on the line, the offense is in the red zone, and the clock is a major factor.

So maybe, for the same reasons that some are arguing Tomlin should be doing a lot more with the team he has, it’s fair to say Haley should have done a lot more with the offense he had.
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the last Steelers head coach to be fired?  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2018 3:46 pm : link
Bill Austin in 1968. I'm pretty sure Tomlin has nothing to worry about.
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