The writing was on the wall for this one. Both coach Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger reportedly butted heads with Haley, and the Steelers will let Haley walk now that his contract is up. There's no question he ran some of the most potent offenses in his six years calling play for Pittsburgh, but the Steelers were never able to clear the final hurdles, failing to even win an AFC title with Haley. It's possible OL coach Mike Munchak will earn a promotion to OC after he turned down a second interview with the Cardinals for their head-coach job on Wednesday."
Arrogance to try to throw on that Defense. Yes Ben threw for a bunch of yards, but at the end of the day what put Jax in the game was 2 TDs from offensive passing turnovers (the INT and Strip Sack).
Should have just ran the ball and make Blake Bortles try to beat them.
...promoted and that's why he declined the interview in AZ.
would make sense. I said in the other post, he gets the OC job at PIT, replacing an asshole like Haley makes him look good to players, and if they decide to move on from Tomlin at some point he has the inside track.
He's a tough coordinator to evaluate. I'm not sure many guys would have trouble with an upper-echelon QB paired with the best RB and best WR in football at their disposal.
There seem to be personality issues that follow him around, though. Doesn't seem to be a real popular guy on his sidelines. Maybe it's overblown - but it's hard to think he's a big reason for offensive success they've had there.
His offenses were awful in KC when he was coaching there.
And steelers informed him they won't be re signing him
Same thing.
In some sense it does seem like semantics, but there really are two different levels of consideration/dissatisfaction between deciding to terminate an existing contract (and financially, to pay it out) versus being unwilling to renew an expired contract with someone.
The end result is the same, but you have to be worse to get fired than to not get renewed, IMO.
His QB hated him, and he's an obnoxious embarrassing drunk. What makes this so strange is that the Steelers have been the most stable franchise in any sport that I know of. They haven't fired a head coach since the 1960's. Tomlin may be putting them to the test.
His QB hated him, and he's an obnoxious embarrassing drunk. What makes this so strange is that the Steelers have been the most stable franchise in any sport that I know of. They haven't fired a head coach since the 1960's. Tomlin may be putting them to the test.
Florio is the ultimate Steeler's homer. Just a few weeks ago he wrote about how he felt it was absurd that Todd Haley wasn't in consideration for any of the potential HC openings. Now that he's fired Florio is calling him a malcontent.
they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.
Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.
It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
Ben gifted them 14 pts. Defense wasn't good but the offense was great either. In fact they have consistently underwhelmed in the post-season on offense. In their last seven playoff games, they have scored 18 or fewer PPG in five of them. With Brown and Bell that's pathetic.
Ben gifted them 14 pts. Defense wasn't good but the offense was great either. In fact they have consistently underwhelmed in the post-season on offense. In their last seven playoff games, they have scored 18 or fewer PPG in five of them. With Brown and Bell that's pathetic.
The reason those points were gifted to them, was because their gameplan offensively sucked from the first series. You are playing a team that is known for sacking the QB and having a nasty pass defense. They open up the game with 3 5-wide plays.
I will never understand their need to be so pass happy when you have one of the best backs in the league. Hit him with short intermediate stuff or run him to death. Force JAX to score. Don't play right into their strength as a team.
they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.
Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.
It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
It's ridiculous. Go ahead and fire Tomlin; he'll have another offer in 15 minutes. I don't think the Rooneys are that dumb
they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.
Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.
It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
It's ridiculous. Go ahead and fire Tomlin; he'll have another offer in 15 minutes. I don't think the Rooneys are that dumb
So true. Maybe the Giants will sign him if agrees to keep Spags and Quinn ;-)
Keep Haley in the booth away from the players. That will be successful Â
Although Tomlin ultimately is responsible for the various situational-football flaws that the Steelers demonstrated both against the Patriots in December and the Jaguars on Sunday, Haley is the one whose fingerprints primarily are on the lack of a detailed and organized plan of attack when the game is on the line, the offense is in the red zone, and the clock is a major factor.
So maybe, for the same reasons that some are arguing Tomlin should be doing a lot more with the team he has, it’s fair to say Haley should have done a lot more with the offense he had. Link - ( New Window )
The writing was on the wall for this one. Both coach Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger reportedly butted heads with Haley, and the Steelers will let Haley walk now that his contract is up. There's no question he ran some of the most potent offenses in his six years calling play for Pittsburgh, but the Steelers were never able to clear the final hurdles, failing to even win an AFC title with Haley. It's possible OL coach Mike Munchak will earn a promotion to OC after he turned down a second interview with the Cardinals for their head-coach job on Wednesday."
Also he is supposedly a jerk
Same thing.
Also he is supposedly a jerk
Really? I thought their offensive comeback was great. They always put up points. He may be an ass but he is a good OC.
Also he is supposedly a jerk
They scored 42 points, how "awful" could it have been. Criticizing play-calling is the ultimate second guess.
Should have just ran the ball and make Blake Bortles try to beat them.
If so, off to the Pit of Misery with Todd!!!
would make sense. I said in the other post, he gets the OC job at PIT, replacing an asshole like Haley makes him look good to players, and if they decide to move on from Tomlin at some point he has the inside track.
He's a tough coordinator to evaluate. I'm not sure many guys would have trouble with an upper-echelon QB paired with the best RB and best WR in football at their disposal.
There seem to be personality issues that follow him around, though. Doesn't seem to be a real popular guy on his sidelines. Maybe it's overblown - but it's hard to think he's a big reason for offensive success they've had there.
His offenses were awful in KC when he was coaching there.
Back to the Patriots? He's never coached there.
There seem to be personality issues that follow him around, though.
I think we call it "the bottle"
Ben was really vocal about not wanting him when he was first hired. He didn't want Arians to leave.
Also he is supposedly a jerk
Ben is a dick also.
Having to deal with Ben, can you blame him?
Personality issues not performance issues.
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And steelers informed him they won't be re signing him
Same thing.
In some sense it does seem like semantics, but there really are two different levels of consideration/dissatisfaction between deciding to terminate an existing contract (and financially, to pay it out) versus being unwilling to renew an expired contract with someone.
The end result is the same, but you have to be worse to get fired than to not get renewed, IMO.
Back to the Patriots? Has he ever been with the Patriots before?
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The Patriots. Watch.
Back to the Patriots? Has he ever been with the Patriots before?
Nope.
Florio is the ultimate Steeler's homer. Just a few weeks ago he wrote about how he felt it was absurd that Todd Haley wasn't in consideration for any of the potential HC openings. Now that he's fired Florio is calling him a malcontent.
Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.
It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
Ben gifted them 14 pts. Defense wasn't good but the offense was great either. In fact they have consistently underwhelmed in the post-season on offense. In their last seven playoff games, they have scored 18 or fewer PPG in five of them. With Brown and Bell that's pathetic.
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So they let their OC walk. Makes sense.
Ben gifted them 14 pts. Defense wasn't good but the offense was great either. In fact they have consistently underwhelmed in the post-season on offense. In their last seven playoff games, they have scored 18 or fewer PPG in five of them. With Brown and Bell that's pathetic.
The reason those points were gifted to them, was because their gameplan offensively sucked from the first series. You are playing a team that is known for sacking the QB and having a nasty pass defense. They open up the game with 3 5-wide plays.
I will never understand their need to be so pass happy when you have one of the best backs in the league. Hit him with short intermediate stuff or run him to death. Force JAX to score. Don't play right into their strength as a team.
Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.
It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
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they were 13-3 and had 500 yards of passing yardage including 2 4th-down conversion TDs. Big Ben wanted to run quarterback sneaks on the fourth-and-short calls. He mouthed off after the game. And he gave up the 14 points to the Jags, not Haley.
Then there is the hopelessly spoiled and overrated Steeler fan base. I visited a couple of their prominent forums after the game. They want Cowher back. Like he never lost a close game, either. Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the game. When Shanzier went down, it cut the heart from their run defense and left them vulnerable in underneath coverages. So now I read certain minority-share owners want Mike replaced.
It is insufferable dealing with these 13-3 seasons. They’ve had enough, already . As for Haley, personality conflicts aside, he’s a good coach, who made Roethlesberger’s life considerably easier . That’s not enough in today’s NFL.
It's ridiculous. Go ahead and fire Tomlin; he'll have another offer in 15 minutes. I don't think the Rooneys are that dumb
So true. Maybe the Giants will sign him if agrees to keep Spags and Quinn ;-)
So maybe, for the same reasons that some are arguing Tomlin should be doing a lot more with the team he has, it’s fair to say Haley should have done a lot more with the offense he had.
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