Has anyone heard anything about other NYG def coaches?

was told NO and that I was wrong for even suggesting that.

This is good news for the team and the organization. Everybody thinks Spags is the best and it will make for an easier transition up and down the line. MO

Spags is not a good DC. I think a fresh start and fresh perspective in all 3 phases of the game are needed for the team.

perhaps it's payback time, part of the agreement.

Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time.

In comment 13794101 Jay on the Island said:

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Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time.

R-E-L-A-X. We have no idea if Spags & Co. are coming back.

Their defense had talent yet it finishes among the worst in football. Most of the malcontent's came from the defensive side of the ball so he clearly wasn't able to control these guys either. My expectations for next season will go way down if Spags returns.

In comment 13794104 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 13794101 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time. R-E-L-A-X. We have no idea if Spags & Co. are coming back.

It's hard to relax when we all know what's coming. This is a franchise that brought Tom Quinn back year after year.

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or some other role. Lets wait and see.

ever accepted a demotion to remain with the same team?

staff will be decided. one can assume spags is staying and we'll have to see if Quinn staying as well...hopefully he'll stay

is why I make the comments about the Giants that I do and the way they pick a coach and general manager.

There is no good reason for him to keep his job. Outside of 2016, he has coached some of the worst defenses in recent history.

move Eli Apple and blame it all on him.

In comment 13794101 Jay on the Island said:

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Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time.

Wasn't Spags the defensive coordinator in 2016 when they had one of the best defenses in the league? I guess he had nothing to do with that.

People were posting that it's starting to remind them of the 70's again. Having lived through the 70's I laughed at that. But guess what if Spags and/or Quinn are back it really is like the 70's again. That's exactly the kind of stuff Wellington would do.

The same people complaining about Spags staying were probably the same complaining about Marc Ross staying.

We do not know what is coming. GM said he would allow the next coach to assemble his own staff. The next day he said everyone was free to look for new employment.

Time will tell.

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Maybe he has if Spags is staying.

but seriously, if they fired the coach and GM in mid season only to force the Spags crew on the new hire, that would be stupid. And would really piss me off. This guy Spags must have the same pictures that Quinn has, maybe worse. SInce when did he become Tom Landry or Buddy Ryan? He sucks.

In comment 13794160 Gman11 said:

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In comment 13794101 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time. Wasn't Spags the defensive coordinator in 2016 when they had one of the best defenses in the league? I guess he had nothing to do with that.

Yes he did and in 2017 with more talent the defense took a huge step back. I guess that one season of a 10th ranked defense makes up for three seasons of historically bad defenses.

Being DC of two of the worst defenses in NFL history and three defenses that were ranked 31st or 32nd in the league during their respective seasons doesn't happen by accident.

....he speaks the same Chowder Head language that Gettleman does.

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or some other role. Lets wait and see.

But... but... "Everybody thinks Spags is the best"

In comment 13794183 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13794160 Gman11 said: Quote: In comment 13794101 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time. Wasn't Spags the defensive coordinator in 2016 when they had one of the best defenses in the league? I guess he had nothing to do with that. Yes he did and in 2017 with more talent the defense took a huge step back. I guess that one season of a 10th ranked defense makes up for three seasons of historically bad defenses.

I'm with you Jay RE: Spags should not get a pass for this year...but I have to disagree with more talent. Where?

why I didnt want Shurmur. For weeks we all screamed about a total house cleaning and now we are looking at, at the very least, a realistic possibility of one holdover coordinator and some coaches along with him.

Hopefully it doesnt happen.

and then people will think everyone is against Spags staying as DC.

Register my vote for Spags to stay on. He's a good person, good coach, with an aggressive scheme. I take that every time over a Tim Lewis or Perry Fewell type defense.

Spags also did well in his interview. Ownership likes him. If Shurmur is inked... Spags stays.

But...

All that changes if the New England dysfunction isn't repaired... And I believe it's irreconcilable.

Shurmur's star is rising... And the PR of him coming here is good for him even if it doesn't happen. He knows this... So does Pat.

if Spags stays. At this point, I doubt a decision has been made since Shurmur (assuming he is the new HC) is still coaching a team in the playoffs and probably had little to no time to start identifying his staff. If it was anyone else as the new HC, I would have bet that Spags would be moving on. But he and Shurmur do have a history.

I don't know how you bring back the coach that presided over the mess that was our defense this past season. Completely disintegrated, multiple players suspended/quitting on and off the field. No leadership. Should, at least, be an indication that Spags is not the right guy to lead this current group....and yet somehow it certainly does feel like it will be completely glossed over.

I don't get it.

and defense frustrations with our offense and one or more malcontents on defense, not sure we should blame Spags completely the DL coordinator (gone?) and the secondary guy hand their problems with guys that were not professional and very immature.

In comment 13794101 Jay on the Island said:

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Mara will once again hurt this team by trying to stay loyal to guys he likes such as Spags. There are great options available like George Edwards, James Bettcher, Jack Del Rio, Kris Richard, etc and the Giants want to keep a guy who has been the coordinator of three of the worst ranked defenses of all time.

It's a fucking joke Jay. What would be the reaction to this?:

"Mara and the Giants have decided to pay back a man who orchestrated a thrilling SB winning defense in PERRY FEWELL. The Giants feel that Perry's record has shown he can command the room and produce championship winning schemes."

There would be utter outrage here on this board. Same # of rings as the genius Spags, but without 5 of the all time worst defenses and the 11-41 record as a HC.

is just because Shurmer has his 15m of fame with the Vikings , Diggs photo ops and other shit it will be difficult here as we need to rebuilt in a few areas with some guys that are not 1's and 2's but 3s (losers) to paraphrase Jack Welch. His first challenge will be to purge the 3's and many are on the offense and a few on defense.

Plenty of DCs keep their units together while the offense struggles. And even if they don't get top performance, I don't know that I've ever seen a unit come apart at the seams the way our defense did this year. He was the DC under an offensive minded/focused HC. I'm sorry, blaming it all on Macadoo is letting him off way too easy, imo. And frankly, while the offense was bad, the biggest difference between our wins last year and our losses this year was the performance of the D. I don't know how folks on here don't judge him more harshly.

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and then people will think everyone is against Spags staying as DC. Register my vote for Spags to stay on. He's a good person, good coach, with an aggressive scheme. I take that every time over a Tim Lewis or Perry Fewell type defense.

I'm no huge fan of his, but Perry Fewell NEVER posted a defense as bad as the record breaking disasters that Spags has produced. 3 of the 5 and 5 of the 10 worst all time. And a unit that Spags is responsible for is filled with undisciplined malcontents. Fewell never had the back biting and griping either. Isn't "command the room" one of the stips for the job?

We know, it's not Spags fault that his defenses have histotically sucked for 3 different teams. '07 and '16 are abberations fot Spags. The ball gagrling is beyond fucking ridiculous already

Start firing his assistants when technically, the dooms day scenario can stil happen and Shurmer take the AZ gig. If all that shit does go down, Spags is the fall back emergency option. I am not doubting validity of Shurmur maybe keeping Spags, but some of you are getting way too far ahead of yourselves.

I resemble that remark. I was surprised how quickly they let Ross go. I like Spags. I'll always like Spags. But I think the Giants need a complete sweep of the coaching staff.

In comment 13794166 Daniel in Kentucky said:

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The same people complaining about Spags staying were probably the same complaining about Marc Ross staying. We do not know what is coming. GM said he would allow the next coach to assemble his own staff. The next day he said everyone was free to look for new employment. Time will tell. He also said that he thought that they’re were a lot of good coaches on the staff and that he hoped the new coach would give them a look.

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Plenty of DCs keep their units together while the offense struggles. And even if they don't get top performance, I don't know that I've ever seen a unit come apart at the seams the way our defense did this year. He was the DC under an offensive minded/focused HC. I'm sorry, blaming it all on Macadoo is letting him off way too easy, imo. And frankly, while the offense was bad, the biggest difference between our wins last year and our losses this year was the performance of the D. I don't know how folks on here don't judge him more harshly. However he does get one pass the offense held the record for three and outs that’s pathetic Not many defenses can do much with that kind of futility But he does have to answer for the malcontents and the suspensions My opinion is clean house.

The longer this goes without hearing anything, the more it looks like Spagnuolo is coming back, which is not something that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I want John Fox!!!

but he has coached some good defenses. With NY, more often than not, he has put a good defensive gameplan and unit on the field. This year was dysfunctional and reading between the lines, I believe McAdoo was perhaps too heavy-handed in his dealings with the defense. The D responded when Spags was the head coach. And don't kid yourself, Spags IS a good defensive coach and highly regarded Throughout the NFL. I am okay with Spags remaining- he is a professional, has strong feelings for the organization and perhaps can work well with Shurmer, as he did with Coughlin.

At the end of the day, its about players and this year, as it was two years ago, the Giants didn't have players, whether because of a thin roster, or injury.

He's had some very good defenses in the past. Most recently, his group got the 11 wins in 2016, not much of anything that the offense or special teams did.

And it appears to me that most of the personnel problems last year came from three areas starting with Reese left-handing the LB group, injuries including JPP's self-inflicted hand issue, and McAdoo's gross mismanagement.

I'm also high on David Merritt, the Safeties coach. He warned Reese of the impending disaster at Safety in 2009 and has generally done a good job with that group despite really not a whole lot to work with.

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I'm with you Jay RE: Spags should not get a pass for this year...but I have to disagree with more talent. Where?

Goodson over Shepperd, Darian Thompson over Adams, Cockrell over Wade. Now I know injuries played a part in the performance of the defense but they should have performed far better than they did.

In comment 13794304 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13794195 bLiTz 2k said: Quote: I'm with you Jay RE: Spags should not get a pass for this year...but I have to disagree with more talent. Where? Goodson over Shepperd, Darian Thompson over Adams, Cockrell over Wade. Now I know injuries played a part in the performance of the defense but they should have performed far better than they did.

You also have to factor in that the D was worn down by far too many three and outs.

in his thanks you's he says, "...Steve Spagnuolo... the Rams. My two years there were tremendous."

At this point I would be surprised if Spagnuolo was NOT the DC.
Couple of thank you's - ( New Window )

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in his thanks you's he says, "...Steve Spagnuolo... the Rams. My two years there were tremendous." At this point I would be surprised if Spagnuolo was NOT the DC. Couple of thank you's - ( New Window )

While valid, and I heard that myself, that is very typical of a coordinator that was newly annointed to HC to give a thank you to the HC that propped him up to be seen as an option for the job.

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I have to agree with Eric Milton : 2:25 pm : link : reply The longer this goes without hearing anything, the more it looks like Spagnuolo is coming back, which is not something that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I want John Fox!!!

I have been thinking of that quite a bit too Milton. Not only for the nostalgia and his obvious track record with running defenses. I also think it would be nice to have a DC with HC experience. More respected and also is a clear indicatoir that that is HIS unit to run.

I am sure any perspective head coach has provided management with a listing of the assistants they will bring. Another thing to keep in mind about the Giants coaching staff defensively in 2017 is that, outside of Graham, no position coach has ties to any other organization besides the Giants and/or any other head coaches in the NFL. Even though someone like Bill McGovern (LB Coach) held that same position in Philly, it was under Chip Kelly who is not in the NFL at this time.

In comment 13794347 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13794304 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 13794195 bLiTz 2k said: Quote: I'm with you Jay RE: Spags should not get a pass for this year...but I have to disagree with more talent. Where? Goodson over Shepperd, Darian Thompson over Adams, Cockrell over Wade. Now I know injuries played a part in the performance of the defense but they should have performed far better than they did. You also have to factor in that the D was worn down by far too many three and outs.

Yeah I guess I see the point of being "better" on paper, but Goodson didnt see the field nearly enough as evidenced by the scrap heap of linebackers that had to be signed throughout the year (including Sheppard).

Also, Thompson is right behind Eli Apple for me in terms of most disappointing player on defense. Adams looked leagues better when he got in the game later in the year.

If the Giants are going to use Collins all over the field, the FS has to make better reads in coverage, especially 1 deep and Thompson was just not good. Even Adams who while not as physically gifted, at least made better reads.

ELI and Spagnuolo staying and helping us back to the top of the NFL East.

With no head coach and virtually all the shiney candidates available, why is it surprising nothing has happened?

will get another head job or go to TV. Why would he come here to be DC this year?

Hearing names like Billy Davis getting floated around is making Spags staying look better and better...