Appologize if posted, but here is Scott Wright of NFL Draft Countdown's Mock Draft.
He actually has Rosen going #6...
I like Scott, he's pretty credible and he usually puts out a good product. The website has had less content over the years but I still enjoy his work.
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It will not be Barkley. Not.
But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.
Purely hypothetical. What if the Giants think Barkley is the best prospect they have seen in a decade or two decades? Truly BPA.
At that time, the Giants would have to evaluate what other teams are offering and factor in the strength of the players they could acquire with the additional picks.
The answer could be they value Barkley more than the trade offers. Again, this is a hypothetical, but it makes a case that there are scenarios where the Giants stay at #2 and draft a non-QB.
But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.
We dont..pretty sure the Giants do..
I like Rosen, but there are too many risks at #2 overall for my liking (namely the concussions and shoulder).
Dream scenario for me would be to trade down to the #6-15 range and still walk away with Rosen/Mayfield/Allen/Jackson.
The thing that I love about a trade down is the presence of Webb. To me, while I wouldn’t advocate passing on a QB they have conviction about, I really feel no pressure to take a QB. Accumulate assets, take the risk that the QBs you like are gone. 2-3 additional early round picks go a long way in filling a significant lack of talented. Going into the next 2 year stretch with a QB plan of Manning/Webb isn’t an awful option.
But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.
Giants know a lot more about Webb than they do about a college senior. By now I would hope they have a handle on what they think he can do moving forward. If they think he's going to be good, they should get Barkley. If not they should draft a QB and then package Webb in some kind of draft day trade to move up for the 3rd to the 2nd round. I don't by the idea of having 2 developmental QB's on the roster. I think its a waste of high picks, especially since the Giants have holes everywhere, and plus I don't think its a good plan (or even possible) to develop 2 QB's at the same time. One is going to get the reps and one is going to waste away.
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said the Giants passing on a QB would be very risky because you don't get many chances to take one this high. But if you put Barkley with Odell and a good QB, wow.
But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.
Giants know a lot more about Webb than they do about a college senior. By now I would hope they have a handle on what they think he can do moving forward. If they think he's going to be good, they should get Barkley. If not they should draft a QB and then package Webb in some kind of draft day trade to move up for the 3rd to the 2nd round. I don't by the idea of having 2 developmental QB's on the roster. I think its a waste of high picks, especially since the Giants have holes everywhere, and plus I don't think its a good plan (or even possible) to develop 2 QB's at the same time. One is going to get the reps and one is going to waste away.
Be lucky to get a 3rd pick for him at this point without any game action.
Let me ask this question in another way. The Last outstanding RB from Penn State who did not suffer a career ending injury in his first two seasons was:
I don’t know, I’m old and can’t remember back that far.
Let me ask this question in another way. The Last outstanding RB from Penn State who did not suffer a career ending injury in his first two seasons was:
I don’t know, I’m old and can’t remember back that far.
Well, Larry Johnson was pretty incredible until they ran him into the ground and he started beating women..
Let me ask this question in another way. The Last outstanding RB from Penn State who did not suffer a career ending injury in his first two seasons was:
I don’t know, I’m old and can’t remember back that far.
I hate this argument...I think it's dumb as hell....
When was the last good UCLA QB?
How about USC?
Wyoming? See where I'm going with this...it's a dumb argument.
Barkley at 2 is great. He is the best player in this draft...
Go with Eli and Webb...after 2018 if you feel he isn't developing or going to be a franchise guy trade up in 2019 and that's that....don't force a QB at 2 if these guys don't fit the bill....
I love Barkley
It's VERY possible....people say he has this flaw and that flaw....fact is he could turn out to be very good...
I say roll with him another year...
You can always do what eagles did and move up in 2019-2020
1) Larry Johnson
2) Here are a list of all the standout LSU wideouts that came into the NFL before Odell (Dwayne Bowe being the only one to crack 1,000 yards):
James Wright
Rueben Randle
Brandon LaFell
Trindon Holliday
Demetrius Byrd
Early Doucet
Dwayne Bowe
Craig Davis
Skyler Green
Bennie Brazell
Devery Henderson
Josh Reed
Webb is a virtual unknown and you guys are cavalierly ready to risk the next 10 years of the team on a hunch.
You can't run a franchise like that.
But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.
And NO clue in what we will have in an OL which will A) need to pop holes for Barkley, and B) hold D long enough so the QB can get a pass to either, et al(as much as we have expectations, you need right players, right
OL coach, right scheme)
When was the last time QB from OlE Miss was any good? Or NC State or Miami of Ohio? (Russell Wilson has an asterisk).
I'll take the RB. A trade down would be nice but the Browns might take him. Otherwise, I can see the Browns(4th pick) or Colts trading out for the eventual QB love that happens every year. Or even the Giants but that's a gamble because a stud RB became obvious as to how over rated Prescott was. Another thread was discussing coaching leashes and I guess Garrett is the perfect puppet because on paper, the Cowboys have had a very competitive team over the years. No Elliot and they were very beatable. Waste of a very good Oline.
This is the first year in recent memory that I don't like any of the QB's. I'm 50/50 like the rest of the world but this is red flag hell.
Rosen looks like a better Bradford or dare I say Bert Jones. Both those guys never got the success of their talent because of injuries.
I can't see the Giants drafting an injury prone QB after having one of the greatest Ironman in history. Makes no sense. I also agree that 2 developmnt QB's makes no sense. Nothing wrong with wasting a 3rd rounder but you better be right with the 2nd pick and it's a risky bunch.
PS To compare Mayfied to Favre is ludicrous. Pre draft smoke. Favre was supposed to get picked by the Jets but they opened their mouth and got bumped by Atlanta and ended up with Nagle. Favre was allegedly the top guy on their board. When Wolf went to GB, the first thing he did was trade for Favre. Miller was playing great and Favre was a problem child. But Mayfield does not have the same arm. Not too many people do.
Rosen has already shown that he has the physical talent to do everything required of an NFL QB and do it at a high level. He has proven he has the talent, work ethic, and intelligence to take what he learns from coaching and translate it onto the football field. None of the other QBs in the draft can make that claim.
Peyton, Eli, Rodgers, Favre, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Romo, Wilson, and going back to Marino, Bradshaw, Namath, Tarkenton, etc...the variety of personality types among highly successful QBs in the NFL runs the complete gamut and shows that personality has nothing to do with it. It's all about talent, work ethic, and intelligence. Jay Cutler and Jeff George failed to achieve greatness because they were lacking in one or more of those three categories and not because they weren't the most popular guy in the locker room.
Barkley is a RB, no more or less likely to succeed at the NFL level than any other RB taken in the first five picks (where the track record for RBs is pretty piss poor...and I'm not just talking about the ones from Penn State). All picks are a gamble, no matter the position, no matter the accolades and assurances from the scouting communit; but how many RBs have led their team to a Super Bowl compared to QBs?
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if Reese and Mac (who apparently wanted Webb even higher in the draft) were actually right about Webb and gave the Giants their next QB on their way out the door.
It's VERY possible....people say he has this flaw and that flaw....fact is he could turn out to be very good...
I say roll with him another year...
You can always do what eagles did and move up in 2019-2020
Few draft gurus rated Webb very high, including "our" Sy who described Webb as a career backup/clipboard holder. And then the NFL Draft confirmed this when all teams passed on Webb at least twice.
Could Webb turn out to be a starter? I guess they could fix some of his flaws and get him on the field. But the odds that he'll be a GREAT QB are slim. The odds that Rosen or Darnold will be great, while certainly not guaranteed, are far greater.
As far as your statement that "You can always do what eagles did and move up in 2019-2020" which I'm sure you meant to trade up to grab a top QB...NO you absolutely can NOT always do that. To pull that off you need 4 things:
1. A stud QB being available.
2. A team like the Browns stupid enough to trade out of the position.
3. A shitty enough record to be in striking distance to trade up.
4. A trade package of picks/players better than every other team that wants to trade up for the stud QB.
The Eagles trade up with the Browns for a QB the caliber of Wentz was a rarity. It's not something you can ALWAYS do.
Where did you "hear" that the Giants "love" Webb and in what context was this love professed?
Was it a puff piece done by a beat writer talking about how the Giants loved Webb's work ethic? That sounds plausible. But I've not heard (or read) anything about the Giants loving Webb as in, they think he's going to be a great QB and they're not even thinking about drafting a QB in RD 1.
And if Eric or some asshat had heard that the Giants "love" Webb, don't you think they would have mentioned it by now?
You can't be correct though, because it would mean that those BBI'ers who absolutely insist the Giants are taking a QB at #2 - as if they have any clue at all - would be wrong. Their narrative would be blown to pieces. They would have to stop beating the drum. Their world would crumble to pieces.
Please, afann. Say it ain't so.
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Just what I heard from people I know. Take it for what it is.
You can't be correct though, because it would mean that those BBI'ers who absolutely insist the Giants are taking a QB at #2 - as if they have any clue at all - would be wrong. Their narrative would be blown to pieces. They would have to stop beating the drum. Their world would crumble to pieces.
Please, afann. Say it ain't so.
I think I'll bump this thread after the Giants take a QB.
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Just what I heard from people I know. Take it for what it is.
You can't be correct though, because it would mean that those BBI'ers who absolutely insist the Giants are taking a QB at #2 - as if they have any clue at all - would be wrong. Their narrative would be blown to pieces. They would have to stop beating the drum. Their world would crumble to pieces.
Please, afann. Say it ain't so.
I think I'll bump this thread after the Giants take a QB.
You can bump it all you want. Won't make a difference to me. I'm not the one speaking in absolutes.
The other scenario that will spin things is by the time we get through the combine-Allen may be the top guy who has the least red flags with everyone comparing him to the next Wentz. He may be the Browns top pick, leaving the Giants: Darnold, Rosen or Barkley from which to choose.
How could this possibly be true? What people?
We fired the guy who scouted him. We fired the guy who drafted him. We fired the guy who coached him. In fact every guy who coached him is gone.
What people love Webb?
When people say the Giants love Webb, id love to know what people they are talking about
Having a young QB for a year in your organization, knowing his character, work ethic, ability, health, strengths and weaknesses, who is learning from your Super Bowl vet QB
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Drafting another QB that you would have to take chance on and invest a valuable high draft pick, one who is a sophomore and one who has concussion issues. Not denying either talent. Also, add to this that there are 2 players better than these QB's that can really help the Giants in Barkley and Nelson. Both players would step in day 1 and start, and dominate.
But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.
You are 100% right. This is an absolute incredible choice
To me, we have the best QB prospect since Luck there at 2 for us. Rosen has it
But, we also have the best RB prospect i may have ever seen. This guys as talented as any player ive seen coming out. Wow.
Love him so much he dressed for only one game and didn't take a snap.
In case everyone forgot, Linbacker was the one position where the Giants sere loaded in 1981. Thankfully it didn't stop them from taking Lawrence Taylor at #2. Or Byron Hunt in Round 9
Everything that you do know has come entirely from the media, who has no idea what he is or isn't either. The only people that have any clue at all about what kind of player Webb is and how well he has developed this year are the ones that actually worked with him every day.
I know this concept is hard for some to grasp, but it really is ok to just...not have an opinion on something. You don't always have to pick a side and dig your heel in - especially regarding something you have no insight into.
Having a young QB for a year in your organization, knowing his character, work ethic, ability, health, strengths and weaknesses, who is learning from your Super Bowl vet QB
Or
Drafting another QB that you would have to take chance on and invest a valuable high draft pick, one who is a sophomore and one who has concussion issues. Not denying either talent. Also, add to this that there are 2 players better than these QB's that can really help the Giants in Barkley and Nelson. Both players would step in day 1 and start, and dominate.
Everything that you do know has come entirely from the media, who has no idea what he is or isn't either. The only people that have any clue at all about what kind of player Webb is and how well he has developed this year are the ones that actually worked with him every day.
I know this concept is hard for some to grasp, but it really is ok to just...not have an opinion on something. You don't always have to pick a side and dig your heel in - especially regarding something you have no insight into.
And those people decided he wasn't advanced enough to even be named #2 and get practice reps until the season was over.
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no one on this site should pretend like they know anything about what he is or is not.
Everything that you do know has come entirely from the media, who has no idea what he is or isn't either. The only people that have any clue at all about what kind of player Webb is and how well he has developed this year are the ones that actually worked with him every day.
I know this concept is hard for some to grasp, but it really is ok to just...not have an opinion on something. You don't always have to pick a side and dig your heel in - especially regarding something you have no insight into.
And those people decided he wasn't advanced enough to even be named #2 and get practice reps until the season was over.
...and not one person on this site knows definitively that the reason behind this is that “he wasn’t advanced enough “.
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no one on this site should pretend like they know anything about what he is or is not.
Everything that you do know has come entirely from the media, who has no idea what he is or isn't either. The only people that have any clue at all about what kind of player Webb is and how well he has developed this year are the ones that actually worked with him every day.
I know this concept is hard for some to grasp, but it really is ok to just...not have an opinion on something. You don't always have to pick a side and dig your heel in - especially regarding something you have no insight into.
And those people decided he wasn't advanced enough to even be named #2 and get practice reps until the season was over.
...and not one person on this site knows definitively that the reason behind this is that “he wasn’t advanced enough “.
What else could it be? That Geno Smith wa sbeing groomed? Please. Webb is a project.
Doing do is also acknowledging they're going for it while Eli is fading, a big gamble passing on QB with a #2 overall pick.