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In comment 13794668 Eric from BBI said:

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said the Giants passing on a QB would be very risky because you don't get many chances to take one this high. But if you put Barkley with Odell and a good QB, wow. But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.

Couldn't agree more. This is very similar to 2004 when Robert Gallery and Sean Taylor were options at #4. You HAVE to take one of the QB's up top. These chances are few and far between.

I don’t think the plan was to play him this year. I don’t think anyone envisioned what happened this year. So, I think when they finally said lets do it, lets play him I think Reese and Macadoo screwed it up. I think after the backlash and out of respect to Eli that the plan was put back on the back burner.

is that pushing off the inevitable has not worked. It's time to move into the future. Take the QB. Everyone will have warts, but Rosen and Darnold both look like legit franchise QB's.

In comment 13794668 Eric from BBI said:

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said the Giants passing on a QB would be very risky because you don't get many chances to take one this high. But if you put Barkley with Odell and a good QB, wow. But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.

Best comp for a Beckham/Barkley/Engram trio would be KC (Hill/Kelce/Hunt). KC was 5th in yards/game and 6th in scoring this season with Alex Smith at QB.

In other words, if they draft Barkley and get the OL up to a "respectable" level, they would have the offensive talent to be a top 10 offense with merely an average QB (i.e. Alex Smith). And you could argue Beckham/Engram/Barkley (+SS) are potentially much better than the KC trio.

In comment 13794968 aimrocky said:

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In comment 13794668 Eric from BBI said: Quote: said the Giants passing on a QB would be very risky because you don't get many chances to take one this high. But if you put Barkley with Odell and a good QB, wow. But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb. Couldn't agree more. This is very similar to 2004 when Robert Gallery and Sean Taylor were options at #4. You HAVE to take one of the QB's up top. These chances are few and far between.

Pick the QB if they believe one of them is the future. Don't force the pick, with Eli fading there's a chance they wind up picking high again before long.

In comment 13794927 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13794923 Brown Recluse said: Quote: no one on this site should pretend like they know anything about what he is or is not. Everything that you do know has come entirely from the media, who has no idea what he is or isn't either. The only people that have any clue at all about what kind of player Webb is and how well he has developed this year are the ones that actually worked with him every day. I know this concept is hard for some to grasp, but it really is ok to just...not have an opinion on something. You don't always have to pick a side and dig your heel in - especially regarding something you have no insight into. And those people decided he wasn't advanced enough to even be named #2 and get practice reps until the season was over.

Ok, and how do you know that's the reason why he didn't get practice reps? Did Gary Myers tell you that? Again, no one knows anything so stop acting like you do just because you read it in an article.

That’s the thing, if they don’t love the QB’s and like what they have in Webb, what do they do? Draft Barkley?

He's a raw project with many of his flaws and weaknesses on display during the exhibition games. There's a ton of mechanical issues to fix, not to mention greatly improving his ability to read defenses, play from under center, etc.

DG's comments allude to the possibility of three QBs on the roster not being too much of a good thing, in terms of stacking talent when the opportunity presents itself.

Reality is Webb has about a 25% chance historically of being an NFL QB. Banking on him right now seems awfully short-sighted and risky. I do think they'd lean to Barkley if they don't love a QB, unless Connor Williams has an outstanding scouting season.

I'm not seeing the type of athlete in Chubb NYG tends to look for at DE, and the other OL or Fitzpatrick could be there in tradedown scenrios, imv.

Still early too, a lot could change.

Are going to be just as good of an NFL runningback.

What happens if you take Barkley, Eli is done and Webb isn't very good? Then where are you getting your quarterback?

In comment 13794978 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 13794927 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 13794923 Brown Recluse said: Quote: no one on this site should pretend like they know anything about what he is or is not. Everything that you do know has come entirely from the media, who has no idea what he is or isn't either. The only people that have any clue at all about what kind of player Webb is and how well he has developed this year are the ones that actually worked with him every day. I know this concept is hard for some to grasp, but it really is ok to just...not have an opinion on something. You don't always have to pick a side and dig your heel in - especially regarding something you have no insight into. And those people decided he wasn't advanced enough to even be named #2 and get practice reps until the season was over. Ok, and how do you know that's the reason why he didn't get practice reps? Did Gary Myers tell you that? Again, no one knows anything so stop acting like you do just because you read it in an article.

no obnoxious asshole, the fact that he never saw the field even in practice did.
For a more detailed explanation of "project" and Webb's impact on their thinking, I suggest you read JonC's last post, and Sy56 2017 QB draft preview if you are able.

(which I find very unlikely) They should trade down and acquire an additional 1st round pick next year. That way the Giants would have the ammunition to trade up in a year for a QB if there is one they like. They may also luck out like the Browns did this season and have that 1st round pick be higher than expected.

In comment 13794995 ajr2456 said:

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Are going to be just as good of an NFL runningback. What happens if you take Barkley, Eli is done and Webb isn't very good? Then where are you getting your quarterback?

That is the dilemma, but if they don't believe in one of the QB prospects they've got to look at another blue chip position of impact in a draft where there might not be a player at OT, DE, WR etc who will grade higher than Barkley. Thus, the tradedown option if they prefer a tackle, etc.

Maybe they go with the RB and then maybe try and lure Keenum? Or maybe a different QB later on like Jackson?

In comment 13794997 Victor in CT said:

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no obnoxious asshole, the fact that he never saw the field even in practice did. For a more detailed explanation of "project" and Webb's impact on their thinking, I suggest you read JonC's last post, and Sy56 2017 QB draft preview if you are able.

I'm not trying to make a case for Webb. You stated in absolute terms that the reason Webb did not see practice reps was because he did not develop enough throughout the season and insinuated that afann's information must be wrong. While that is entirely possible, you're just parroting what you've read from other people who weren't actually there either. You don't really know what sort of development Webb did or didn't make as the season went on. And using the coach's decision not to dress him as a barometer is ridiculous considering the fact that the coach proved himself to be entirely incapable of personnel management and evaluation. Part of the reason he was fired.

Again, no one knows what Webb is or isn't right now.

In comment 13794870 afann said:

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The Giants love Webb. Love him. I’m sure Eric or some asshat could confirm this. I don’t know what that means for the new staff comming in. If it’s Shurmur, can he work his magic with Webb? Does that mean the Giants will trade out and get extra picks? Who knows.

Who do you mean by "The Giants"? The HC, OC, QB coach, GM and VP of player evaluation are all gone. Who cares what they thought? The new crew needs to do a fresh evaluation and compare him to this year's crop.

In comment 13794668 Eric from BBI said:

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said the Giants passing on a QB would be very risky because you don't get many chances to take one this high. But if you put Barkley with Odell and a good QB, wow. But Eli's fading fast. And we have no idea what they have in Webb.

That's why I would rather go RB .... With him and OBJ the QB just has to be good not great. With the gluttony of QBs in Minny they have to give up 1. Bradford is good just hurt all the time, Bridgewater IS good and had potential to be great .... but the knee. Shurmur would be in the know about his knee and the expectations for healing. Keenum is a good game manager it seems. Webb is the unknown...but with Shurmur being the QB whisper supposedly who knows.

With Barkely, OBJ, EE and Shep I'd be ok with a good QB vs a Great QB. This is assuming we get the OL, because without an OL nothing will matter in the end.

For what is worth, Eli is still on the roster and what QB would have been successful with the OL that was in place and all the injuries to all your main targets. The man was playing with practice squad WR's. Lewis is a hyped up practice squad player that is inconsistent at best. Shane Vereen has not contributed since he been here. The RB from UCLA has vanished, Darkwa is an injury away from being on IR and that leaves Gallman. Get the powerhouse RB!!! Webb will have 2yrs under his belt. Webb really wasn't that bad of a QB at Cal. I would like to see the Giants get Barkley add OL through FA. Barkley would create a mismatch coming out of the backfield and a threat to take it to the house. He will definitely take the pressure off Eli because of the threat of him in that backfield will put defenses on notice. Why waste a pick on unknowns?? Yes, Webb is unknown but he didn't do all that bad in the preseason game I seen him play in. Even though it was against back-ups. If Barkley is gone, Sony Michel would be my second choice but what is the chance he last to the second round after what he did in the Championship game. At RB the Giants need that threat of taking it to the house every time they get the ball.

draft. Trade the #2 pick to Buffalo, get picks 21 and 22, and their 2nd round pick this year, along with the Bills first and second round pick next season. I am probably selling low, but that would be the minimum the Bills would need to give up to get the #2 player drafted.
And get Lamar Jackson at 21? Oh shit.
Not likely Jackson lasts that long, but the Giants could still go QB, or in any other direction they felt got the most value at that pick.
I would like to see the Giants trade back for once and be one of those teams that has 2 first round picks. They need players.

evaluation of Webb, here is what he said about Barkley:
"This will be the highest RB grade I have ever done and the 3rd highest overall grade I have ever done"......and to the point about the franchise putting their eggs in the Webb basket by not drafting a QB simply not true.. the franchise would be putting their eggs in the Webb AND Barkley basket huge difference.....Barkley is a game changer that will make a mediocre QB better and whos to say the "Franchise" QB needs to be decided on this year......

In comment 13794697 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13794691 Ivan15 said: Quote: who? Let me ask this question in another way. The Last outstanding RB from Penn State who did not suffer a career ending injury in his first two seasons was: I don’t know, I’m old and can’t remember back that far. I hate this argument...I think it's dumb as hell.... When was the last good UCLA QB? How about USC? Wyoming? See where I'm going with this...it's a dumb argument.

Can you imagine if businesses applied this same logic when hiring?

"Thank you for your time. Your resume is outstanding and ordinarily we feel like you'd be a great fit for the position, but we haven't had a Michigan grad do well at that job since before I can even remember."