Mel Kiper's latest mock top 5....surprise at #1

Would be so Browns

I see the Giants likely going Darnold. It gives them the option to take one more shot with Eli while allowing Darnold a year or 2 to develop. Which is probably the ideal case for the team.

Also would not surprise me if the browns went Allen. I have read. Is in multiple outlets.

Rosen over Darnold at 2. I actually prefer Allen and Mayfield to both of them at this point so we’ll see how things shake out, but this is a throw the remote scenario for me =\

will get Alex Smith from his old team, which would allow Allen to red shirt for a year. And that Allen will ace the combine.

would be receiving some substantial offers for their picks with Rosen & Darnold falling

what's the problem? No QB stands out in the draft without flags. The "Browns" play would be to draft Nelson 1 overall.

After Allen threw a beautiful 56 yard td pass, the color guy in the booth said “my surprise prediction is Allen goes #1 overall” (or to that effect). The guy’s arm talent is unquestioned. I could see the Browns falling in love with the guy, but I have a hard time overlooking his sub 60% completion percentage in a non power 5 football conference.

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and leave us Darnold.

crazy to me. People compare him to Wentz because he's from a non power 5 school and he has a strong arm. That's where it stops though. Wentz was way more polished and accurate. Allen is a "project" QB, I think it's a ridiculous pick at 1 overall.

is a pretty damn good QB prospect --

When has he ever been right? The guy is tone deaf. With all his injuries Rosen will slide. I actually hope Allen escapes Cleveland at #1. He is more athletic than Darnold, looks like a football PLAYER.

The Patriots take QB Brandon "No Relation to Phil" Silvers with the 32nd pick in the draft.

I read somewhere, when he got the job, that Dorsey would never be able to pass up Josh Allen.

It's been proven time and again. Browns aren't going with Allen at #1.

but it is hard to get past the completion numbers. Granted I have not watched him so I am going on what I have read, but if he has accuracy issues that is a problem. You aren't going to teach a guy accuracy this late in his development. I'd be careful putting too much stock in the combine for Allen because accuracy is much easier with no pressure in your face and no defender.

Does anyone who has really watched Allen think his accuracy numbers are more a result of the talent around him?

I am not sold on Rosen at all. Too many red flags with injuries and attitude with him. Would like to get Darnold.

Someone is trading up for Darnold at #3. He won't just fall into Denver's lap.

In comment 13795036 gidiefor said:

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is a pretty damn good QB prospect --

Agreed, I would prefer Darnold or Allen with the 2nd pick. I have a feeling that come draft day Allen will be higher on the Giants board than many realize.

In comment 13795036 gidiefor said:

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is a pretty damn good QB prospect --

He's had something like 9 games with under 175 yards passing and 6 games with a completion percentage of less than 50%.

People will say Wyoming doesn't have talent, but he's also not playing teams loaded with future NFL defenders like the other QBs. Production has to show at some point.

The Giants will take Darnold IMO. I expect Darnold to be #1 on their board.

In comment 13795036 gidiefor said:

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is a pretty damn good QB prospect --

As do I

Allen has some areas for improvement, no doubt, but his arm talent, athleticism, toughness, and ability to throw on the move are incredible.

With the Giants having options at QB for the 2018 season (Eli or Webb), they are better landing spot for a guy like Allen to work on his deficiencies. Cleveland needs a QB to start ASAP, as I believe they are ready to move on from Kizer already.

When I see Allen, he appears to me to be another John Elway. I don't see the Bortles comparison some are using as Bortles was never the passer that Allen is already.

In comment 13795041 Mike from Ohio said:

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but it is hard to get past the completion numbers. Granted I have not watched him so I am going on what I have read, but if he has accuracy issues that is a problem. You aren't going to teach a guy accuracy this late in his development. I'd be careful putting too much stock in the combine for Allen because accuracy is much easier with no pressure in your face and no defender. Does anyone who has really watched Allen think his accuracy numbers are more a result of the talent around him? I am not sold on Rosen at all. Too many red flags with injuries and attitude with him. Would like to get Darnold.

Some of it has to do with drops, but a majority of it has to do with poor decision making and mental processing. He's way too impatient in the pocket and in my opinion just doesn't have the periphal tools to be an NFL QB. He reminds me a lot of Jamarcus Russell. Has the size and the arm, but not the QB skills.

Accuracy can be fixable, like in Lamar Jackson's case. A wider base and some corrections to his release point could fix a lot.

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Mayfield is gonna be a Jet

In comment 13795053 Tom in NY said:

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Allen has some areas for improvement, no doubt, but his arm talent, athleticism, toughness, and ability to throw on the move are incredible.

All those things can be said about Lamar Jackson and he's been the better passer against tougher competition

Allen is the best followed by darnold and then either mayfield or Rosen. Rosen to me has bust written all over him. Darnold I feel like will ultimately be a mid level qb similar to let’s say dalton.

In comment 13795061 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13795053 Tom in NY said: Quote: Allen has some areas for improvement, no doubt, but his arm talent, athleticism, toughness, and ability to throw on the move are incredible. All those things can be said about Lamar Jackson and he's been the better passer against tougher competition

Jackson is more athletic but he doesn't have the arm talent or arm strength that Allen has. Allen is very raw but he has the biggest upside of any QB in this draft. He is also the riskiest QB in the draft.

He's rated highly because he can throw a football far. Other than that he's just not a good player by any stretch of the imagination, let alone the best player in the country. Absurd.

...as Darnold #1 and Allen #2. I'll be extremely happy with either although I prefer Darnold. To me scouting college QB's in this era is about character, tools, upside and managaing risk. They are the best prospects at the position following those criteria.

In comment 13795064 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13795061 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13795053 Tom in NY said: Quote: Allen has some areas for improvement, no doubt, but his arm talent, athleticism, toughness, and ability to throw on the move are incredible. All those things can be said about Lamar Jackson and he's been the better passer against tougher competition Jackson is more athletic but he doesn't have the arm talent or arm strength that Allen has. Allen is very raw but he has the biggest upside of any QB in this draft. He is also the riskiest QB in the draft.

He's got just as much arm talent and his arm strength isn't far off
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In comment 13795031 Miami_JintsFan said:

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Mayfield is Johnny Football II. Pass

All upside and physical talent, but a little too raw. I don't want the JPP of quarterbacks. I want a guy who produced in college, and I am worried because Allen sounds like a guy some are evaluating more on highlight reel throws than production.

Will be interesting to see how opinions fall out after the combine and interviews.

Right or wrong.

...doesn't get so heated that the Giants wind up taking Rosie O'Donnell by mistake!

Put a spin on it that’s a little different from others, so that he can act like he’s smarter than everyone else. If the teams don’t go the way he projects, he’ll act mad like he knew better. And then he moves on and does it again the next year, without anyone really analyzing how often he was wrong. Of course, he has no skin in the game so no one really cares. In the immortal words of one GM years ago, “Who the fuck is Mel Kiper?”.

In comment 13795068 widmerseyebrow said:

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He's rated highly because he can throw a football far. Other than that he's just not a good player by any stretch of the imagination, let alone the best player in the country. Absurd.

I saw him play a few times and he is more than just a strong arm. He has a lot to work on but there are plenty of positives:
- He does a very good job going through his progressions
- His eyes are always downfield
- He is very difficult to bring down like Roethlisberger
- Athletic enough to buy time

He has several negatives as well with one being that he often forces throws he shouldn't make. Is this a sign of poor decision making or a kid who is trying to do too much in an attempt to overcome a lack of talent around him? This we won't know until he is in the NFL.

could take Allen at 4. They would go Barkley at 1 Allen at 4

I have been predicting Allen to Browns for weeks. Out of all the QB's they will find the bust. If Giants go QB I still think it is Rosen.

In comment 13795082 Crispino said:

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Put a spin on it that’s a little different from others, so that he can act like he’s smarter than everyone else. If the teams don’t go the way he projects, he’ll act mad like he knew better. And then he moves on and does it again the next year, without anyone really analyzing how often he was wrong. Of course, he has no skin in the game so no one really cares. In the immortal words of one GM years ago, “Who the fuck is Mel Kiper?”.

You're absolutely right. Mel bases his draft grades on addressing team needs. If the team doesn't take the player or position he predicts then he gives them a low grade. You would think that a "draft expert" would have realized by now that it is a huge mistake to draft for need.

In comment 13795086 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13795068 widmerseyebrow said: Quote: He's rated highly because he can throw a football far. Other than that he's just not a good player by any stretch of the imagination, let alone the best player in the country. Absurd. I saw him play a few times and he is more than just a strong arm. He has a lot to work on but there are plenty of positives: - He does a very good job going through his progressions - His eyes are always downfield - He is very difficult to bring down like Roethlisberger - Athletic enough to buy time He has several negatives as well with one being that he often forces throws he shouldn't make. Is this a sign of poor decision making or a kid who is trying to do too much in an attempt to overcome a lack of talent around him? This we won't know until he is in the NFL.

He's not very good at going through his professions. He might go through them all but he doesn't do a good job of it

In comment 13795091 Mr. Nickels said:

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could take Allen at 4. They would go Barkley at 1 Allen at 4

If they love Allen you do not risk losing him. There are too many QB hungry teams that will look to trade up to picks 2 and 3 for their guy. The Browns have plenty of ammunition to trade up from 4 to get Barkley also. They have three 2nd round picks including the first and fourth picks of the 2nd round. It would excite the fan base to come away with a potential franchise QB and RB.

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He's not very good at going through his professions. He might go through them all but he doesn't do a good job of it

Many college QB's stare down their primary target and then take off if he isn't open. They won't get away with that in the NFL.

Milton should be instantly banned for posting that picture here.

In comment 13795100 Jay on the Island said:

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Milton should be instantly banned for posting that picture here.

+1!

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In comment 13795094 ajr2456 said: Quote: He's not very good at going through his professions. He might go through them all but he doesn't do a good job of it Many college QB's stare down their primary target and then take off if he isn't open. They won't get away with that in the NFL.

A lot of those Qbs play in one read offenses and are coached to do that, part of the current NFLs QB problem

People can make the claim that he doesn't have a supporting cast and a counter claim that he also goes against inferior competition. There is another point to that ... has he gotten the correct coaching?

You take a raw talent like Allen and combine him with a quarterback whisperer and patience, you may have something.

I do have concerns with drafting a QB that high and being patient.

I think a time like the Giants may be an ideal condition in that regard. As far as the Browns are concerned, it would seem like a recipe for disaster as they will rush him.

The smart thing seems to be taking the best player in the draft (Barkley) before anyone else has a chance, and then getting your QB 4 picks later.

Don't see anyway Browns draft with the #1 overall pick:

Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield and Wyoming's Josh Allen are two of the best, and most polarizing, QBs available in this year's draft. We'll get a chance to see them compete on the same stage next week when they participate in the Reese's Senior Bowl.

Which of these QBs do NFL teams prefer heading into the event? I reached out to five personnel executives and asked them for their pick. Here are their responses.

Executive 1: Baker Mayfield
"I'd take Mayfield. He's more accurate and more instinctive."

Executive 2: Mayfield
"I love Allen's potential but right now it's not close -- Mayfield has more poise and much better touch."

Executive 3: Josh Allen
"When you really study Allen, you realize how bad his supporting cast is. They couldn't even beat San Jose State when he was out of the lineup. He's going to be a great NFL quarterback and the teams that pass on him will regret it."


Executive 4: Mayfield
"This is pretty simple. Allen is bigger and has a better arm but Mayfield is better in just about every other area. The difference in accuracy is what jumps out the most."

Executive 5: Mayfield
"I know he has a different demeanor but I see a lot of Drew Brees in Baker Mayfield."

Summary: That's four votes for Mayfield and one for Allen.

Conclusion: I know some of these executives believe this is an obvious choice, but I find it difficult because these two guys are almost polar opposites. Allen has prototype size, arm strength and mobility while Mayfield is a creative wizard with outstanding ball placement and savvy.
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I'd love to see the Redskins draft Mayfield. Can't see him ever being a franchise Qb.

Allen to the Giants is fine with me, too.

I can't imagine we'd take Rosen over Darnold, given the choice.