NFT: 1/18: Knicks Talk. Trade and Tank

the firing of Hornacek due to the revolving doors and instability it causes. But he sucks. His in game rotations are maddening. His refusal to park LFT on the bench where he belongs is mind-numbing.

Playing Kanter and Jack serious minutes together is asking to get scored on. I'd sit Jack, start Frank, Burke back him up. Insert Beasley into the starting lineup over LFT.

He'd be a solid backup PG somewhere getting 15 minutes per game.

No point in firing Hornacek now, might as well re-evaluate after the season, but I pray this FO has a vision and looks to trade anything they can and get the best pick possible. Even if Kanter opts in, that's fine also.

continuously watching KP chase out shooters on the perimeter is idiotic. He's a 5. Plain and simple. When he was playing the 5 yesterday he had about 25 blocks last night.

I've been saying this since Game 1 of the season, we are the worst at defending 3's. And we suck at taking 3's. We are running an archaic offense right now.

KP will get a crapload of blocks playing the 4 and helping on defense. The problem is we will get destroyed on the boards and second chance points unless we have a 4 that is real strong on the boards and defense.

In comment 13795095 Keith said:

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KP will get a crapload of blocks playing the 4 and helping on defense. The problem is we will get destroyed on the boards and second chance points unless we have a 4 that is real strong on the boards and defense.

It's easier to ask him to stay down low then to chase out 3 pointers, seeing how he's 7'3 and looks disinterested in doing so.

Sure he has his good and bad nights, but what 19 year old doesn't? He brings youth, quickness and defense to the table, and his playmaking skills are getting better and better. I really think he can evolve into a Dennis Schroeder type. McBuckets and Beasily must see huge minutes too. This season has given us way more than we expected, as we really have found some long term pieces. We should get a decent pick again.

I think he is a great mentor for Frank and I would like to see him on the coaching staff next season.

In comment 13795102 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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In comment 13795095 Keith said: Quote: KP will get a crapload of blocks playing the 4 and helping on defense. The problem is we will get destroyed on the boards and second chance points unless we have a 4 that is real strong on the boards and defense. It's easier to ask him to stay down low then to chase out 3 pointers, seeing how he's 7'3 and looks disinterested in doing so.

I understand that, but you need to look at the other side of the coin.

1. Do we really want KP banging with 5's all game long?
2. Our rebounding is going to take a big hit. Look at how Kanter cleans up the glass next to KP.
3. Our perimeter defense will be better, but our interior defense will most certainly be worse, depending on who you have at the 4.

I have no problem with that. He's not an instinctual 5 - rebounding really suffers with him at the 5, for example.

In comment 13795141 Del Shofner said:

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I have no problem with that. He's not an instinctual 5 - rebounding really suffers with him at the 5, for example.

His instinct is rim protection. He's block-hawking down low which then leads to his man being left open behind the 3. And he can't chase out on the perimeter.

But I'm okay with him interchanging between the 4 and 5 based on matchups.

when the young kids are playing correctly and hard, and the "veteran" guys are getting techs, turning the ball over and taking bad shots. They need to blow it up.

In comment 13795156 Phil in LA said:

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when the young kids are playing correctly and hard, and the "veteran" guys are getting techs, turning the ball over and taking bad shots. They need to blow it up.

Yeah, trade everyone that you can that's not KP, Frank or Willy. Accumulate as many picks as possible.

Winning games by grinding it out with Jack, Lee, Kanter and LFT isn't the answer. Play Frank, Burke, Dotson, Willy and hell even Baker.

Frank for as much as he gives on defense, anything on offense he gives is a plus. He's pretty much LFT out there on the offense.

In comment 13795119 Stu11 said:

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Sure he has his good and bad nights, but what 19 year old doesn't? He brings youth, quickness and defense to the table, and his playmaking skills are getting better and better. I really think he can evolve into a Dennis Schroeder type. McBuckets and Beasily must see huge minutes too. This season has given us way more than we expected, as we really have found some long term pieces. We should get a decent pick again.

Not sure that�s wise. With the season only half over his minutes are already nearly double what he�s ever played before. He�s showing signs of burnout as it is.

KP has stated he does not want to play the 5.

However, it is enough with the big minutes to the veterans that are not part of the future, but the problem is that Hornacek is coaching to keep his job.

the defensive switching really hurts the 3 point defense. The guards need to be capable of fighting over screens.

I feel like every time I see KP lunge and have a bad defensive effort on a 3, it's made even worse because that means he's not going to be down low in position for the rebound. I think it's alright to start trading away some of these picks. But you have to be able to get a future or low 1st for at least one of these guys. O'Quinn, Beasley, McDerrmott can all be gone for future considerations or young players on reasonable deals. I think Kanter should only be traded if they get a nice return.

Doug McDermott. But he's not that good. Seems like every time we need a big 3 he misses.

Ownership (management) has to tell JH tonplay the young kids, develop them, tell him if he does this his job is safe. Not the win/loss record. That�s what it will take. One thing you can�t blame him for is trying to win. Now if playoffs are the goal and picking 15th in the draft, the Knicks were on pace before the losing streak.

probably the most critical problem (and there are a few) is that neither lead guard is capable of getting within 15 feet of the hoop and neither guy is athletic enough to facilitate transition opportunities

to a degree, Frank will improve on both but Jack is what he is

these problems are made even more obvious when the NYK allocate 30+ minutes (combined) to talentless hacks like Thomas and Baker

Winning culture = Yankees, Patriots, Spurs

I cannot wait to get a facilitating PG that can break down a defense. Rose could break down any defense, but he was allergic to sharing. Trae. Young. Please.

in basketball than in football. Many of us, me included, often state that we should just trade this guy or that guy for a future pick, but I always forget about the whole matching salary part. I don't pay much attention to other teams, so I'm curious, how many teams are out their who could use some of the Knicks players, have unwanted players on expiring contracts that could match in salary, and have available picks to give along with them?

Need to get it down a few notches. Won�t happen unless we deal some players. Need to be top 5.

to sit in my car and listen to WFAN and ESPN Radio for an hour. Both shows dissecting Porzingis and questioning whether he's a franchise guy. Of all the legit concerns surrounding this lost franchise, all the media can think to do is criticize the young stud averaging 24ppg and leading the NBA in blocked shots? Mind you, he's had three different sets of teammates in three years, three different coaches, two different GMs and two different team presidents.

Of much greater concern is the trade market, the development of Ntilikina, Hornacek's idiocy and IF the franchise has any sort of coherent plan to build a contender.

In comment 13795084 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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Insert Beasley into the starting lineup over LFT.

I don't know exactly how Player Efficiency Rating is computed, but per ESPN, Beasley's PER is 19.8, up with the team leaders, and Thomas' is 6.1, lowest on the team.

Thomas is an awful NBA player. Effort is his 1 skill, nothing else.

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From the start of the season

Fixing this team starts with
1. Getting a top five lottery pick
2. Trading Lee and Oquinn and Kanter and hopefully Thomas
3. Getting fucking Rambis out of here. He�s done nothing for this defense since he�s been here
4. Firing Hornacek for delaying development of Hernangomez and for including Lance in the rotation and for his idiotic rotations