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| Concussions do not cause long-term neurological disease - it is repeated exposure to tackles, even mild ones, that wreck the brains of athletes such as football players and boxers, a major new study has found. The groundbreaking paper published today by the same Boston University team that diagnosed disgraced former Patriots star Aaron Hernandez with CTE last year is the first to show how sports tackles directly cause the devastating brain disease, which causes aggression, dementia and suicidal thoughts. Testing mice, they showed that repeated blows to the head trigger the wasting disease within 20 minutes, whether the mice suffered a concussion or not. Simply put: concussions are to CTE what a cough is to lung cancer. A cough does not predict lung cancer, and treating it does not prevent or cure lung cancer. It is the same for CTE. It means attempts to monitor and prevent concussions, and even new designs for helmets, may be futile, since nothing can change the motion of head movement inflicted by a flying tackle. And it brings into question a Supreme Court ruling last year that said players need documented concussions to collect compensation from the NFL's brain injury bank. 'The concussion is the red herring here,' lead author Dr Lee Goldstein, associate professor at Boston University, told Daily Mail Online. 'This is the strongest evidence to date of a causal linkage between hits in football and CTE. We can probably prevent concussion. But what we can't do is prevent the motion of the head from a tackle. And that's the real problem.' |
'But instead here I am with all the other parents cheering because our team did a good tackle.
'Kids can't drink alcohol until a certain age, they can't drive until a certain age, and they can't walk around the street hitting each other in the heads with pipes. Those activities can all be lethal. And so can this. There must be a policy change, we have a moral obligation to protect children - and adults - from harm.'
Wonder if the NFL will be flag football in 50 years?
Wonder if the NFL will be flag football in 50 years? [/quote]
It already is in one sense. This would just add another type of flag to the game.
Basically idk who will even be playing football in 20 years. Maybe nobody lol.
Basically idk who will even be playing football in 20 years. Maybe nobody lol.
Agreed.
Don't destroy American Football!!!!
Joey, I really think you are on to something. Tackle football at such a young age is A: understudied and B: placing the player in harms way at their most vulnerable. I'm all in favor of no tackle football until 8th grade. These leagues with 5 year olds running around launching themselves at each other simply scare me.
I can't tell you what football will look like 20 years from now, but we have to keep the following things in mind.
- CTE does not have the same effects for everyone affected. It could be all players have CTE to a degree but not all players feel effects. Or it could be some brains are more susceptible to CTE depending on genetics, chemicals in the brain, length of exposure, or age when exposed.
- If the report is accurate then all contact sports contribute to CTE. Rugby, Hockey, Wrestling, Lacrosse, Soccer and others. Heck, even water polo has a high degree of head injuries. Taken in complete context, Football gets a little unfairly criticized when it comes to this issue. All contact sports are associated with this disease.
- I don't think (at least I hope not) that human beings are ready to give up contact sports, but perhaps we need to be smarter about how we participate. Dramatic changes to youth sports is probably necessary. Changes in how we practice. And perhaps, as radical as it sounds, going away from a hard helmet in football. I played contact sports my whole life and I would not go back and do anything different. They can show me all the studies in the world and I would still not trade that experience for anything. I'm completely open to playing smart and taking smart precautions, and I'm all for increasing the age at which kids participate in full contact sports. But you can go too far with protection, to the point of insulation. We can't all live in bubbles nor should we want to.
- New helmet designs are a good thing, but won't solve the problem. I think the future of CTE treatment will come through medicine. In recent years you've seen prominent retired players (like Favre and McAffrey) sign on with firms that are pursuing medical treatments for CTE. We certainly don't know if it will be successful, but I think it is a bit early to write the obituary of football because of CTE.
True statement about the Daily Mail
Regular tackling might not cause any symptoms. How does the general public know they aren't at risk?
Could a roller coaster cause CTE? What about running? etc etc etc.
Neurology is still in its infancy. Scary stuff.
Don't destroy American Football!!!!
I believe the percentage is more like 96%
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the best game in the world!I mean how many ex-players have CTE,1% or maybe 5%?every "JOB" has his risk,ask police officers or soldiers,they can be killed every day.Those are high risk jobs.
Don't destroy American Football!!!!
I believe the percentage is more like 96%
96% of those surveyed, just to be clear.
Also, as mentioned CTE does not = the same things in everyone. Case in point, Frank Gifford vs Aaron Hernandez
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Bash these mice in the head? Lol, I cant stop laughing at the idea of trying to simulate one human tackling another with mice. Like, do they throw GI Joes at them?
Holy Shit!
But you also can't disprove any of these either. There is no bio-marker or diagnostic method for CTE. Any abrupt contact with the group could very well cause a sub-concussive force.
I've been to enough neurologists to know they don't know shit about concussions or brain trauma. I mean, shit, treatment for a concussion is almost non-existent. They dole out medication to treat symptoms and make sure you don't die from intracerebral hemorrhage. That's NOT treating the underlying cause.
Agreed this is serious & somewhat depressing subject matter.
More likely, it is a matter of total impacts being significant.
The concussion protocol and the other player safety stuff is nice but it is nothing but a diversion from the CTE problem. I belive that's the point. It's so the league can say they're doing something, when they know very well what they're doing isn't addressing the real problem. Because the league knows full well they don't have an answer to the causes of CTE
Re the comments above about rough sex and other sports: Yeah, it's probably not great for your brain to suffer any blows, but it's repeated blows to the head that cause problems. If you're having rough sex that includes blows to the head, for a few hours a day, for several months every fall (and maybe spring), for years at a time, you might want to cut down on that.
Re every NFL player/RB whatever would have CTE: The percentage of CTE in brains of ex-NFL players whose brains have been tested is over 90%. Not all have had symptoms (that we know of) and there's some self-selection in that group. But there are enough samples to know that CTE is scarily common in ex-NFL players, whether it turns out to be 10% or 99%
Athletes in sports are at risk for CTE. Soccer players from heading the ball. MMA. Boxers. Probably pro wrestlers. There isn't good data on those sports because CTE was discovered fairly recently -- nobody was looking for it.
The effects of repeated blows to the head may be treatable and CTE may turn out to be preventable or curable, but the treatment and cure haven't been discovered yet and the only prevention is: Avoid repetitive blows to the head, or head impacts, or violent starts and stops of the head.
I was wondering why I was a little dizzy after my trip to Thailand...
At the very least they won’t call it head anymore.
Crap, time for a lifestyle change I guess.
they start chasing cats
None. I have a boy and a girl and my son is not playing football. I don’t care what he says I don’t care if he’s 6 foot 7 300lbs in high school he isn’t playing
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None. I have a boy and a girl and my son is not playing football. I don’t care what he says I don’t care if he’s 6 foot 7 300lbs in high school he isn’t playing
We've been talking about this here for years.
More importantly in my view, is that only about 17% of former NFL players exhibit symptoms consistent with the reported ramifications of CTE. I'm not trying to say football is safe, or that is doesn't need to be made safer. However, these numbers, that are repeatedly quoted, are provided absent comparison to each other or the data considered in the study.
It's a good read if you have the time.
Inflategate - ( New Window )
It's called scientific research. I've gased mice and then dissected parts of their brains out for study samples.
But at least football was fun! ;-)
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None. I have a boy and a girl and my son is not playing football. I don’t care what he says I don’t care if he’s 6 foot 7 300lbs in high school he isn’t playing
But here you are, a fan of a sport that you feel is to dangerous for your own children, but if other people's kids are bagging heads with one another that's cool.
That's not you too?
But you don't need head trauma in order to potentially have sub-concussive force!
Falling on your tailbone entails a certain amount of force. So does a roller-coaster. Yet, neither includes head trauma. How can we discount such incidents?
In addition, how do we know what a safe frequency is?
Regular contact and tackling will cause the brain to continue to hit the skull. The more violent the hit and the faster the players are moving, the more potential for immediate damage. But the repeated contact is what is always contributing to the potential long term effects, including CTE.
Regular contact and tackling will cause the brain to continue to hit the skull. The more violent the hit and the faster the players are moving, the more potential for immediate damage. But the repeated contact is what is always contributing to the potential long term effects, including CTE.
Don't leave out baseball and basketball. While collisions in those sports occur somewhat less frequently, they do occur.
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Bash these mice in the head? Lol, I cant stop laughing at the idea of trying to simulate one human tackling another with mice. Like, do they throw GI Joes at them?
I'm pretty sure they taught the mice the game and provided tiny footballs
What good parent would let their children live outside a plastic bubble?
You’ve heard of blocking, I trust?
3 years later, Pete Carroll’s “rugby style tackling” video still changing football, increasing safety
Another would be the "Q-Collar". This device is worn around the neck (inspired by the Woodpecker!), and is supposed to increase blood flow to the brain. That helps inhibit the brain from smashing into the skull when there's an impact, which would reduce the chances of getting CTE:
Brain-Protecting Q-Collar Technology Spreads Through Sports World