He passed his physical and is now a Met. Low-cost move, they'll be on the hook for about half a million. Hopefully he can be the 2015 or at least the 2016 version of himself, and not the 2017 version.
is he just old or does he have major injury concerns?
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
is he just old or does he have major injury concerns?
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
He had an injury last year and obviously Bellinger took his job but it's hard to say that age is not a significant factor in his numbers' declining.
From what I've read the Mets don't expect Conforto to be ready to play until about May 1st.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued the following press release:
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The New York Mets today announced that the club has signed five-time All-Star Adrin Gonzlez to a one-year contract.
Gonzlez, 35, has hit over 300 home runs (311), driven in over 100 runs seven times and has earned four Gold Glove Awards during his 14-year major league career.
The 6-2, 215-pounder ranks sixth among active players with 432 doubles and in RBI (1,176) and ninth in home runs. He led the NL with 116 RBI in 2014, led the AL in hits (213) in 2011 and the NL in walks (119) in 2009.
Gonzlez had 11 straight seasons (2006-2016) where he played 150 or more games before appearing in 71 contests last year and ending up the Disabled List for the first time in his career with lower back discomfort.
Gonzlez was traded by the Dodgers to Atlanta on December 16, 2017 as part of a five-player deal. The Braves designated Gonzlez for assignment.
He helped the Dodgers win the NL West for the fifth straight year last season. In 34 career postseason games, the lefthanded-hitter has seven home runs and 21 RBI.
He has batted .288 with a .359 OBP during his major league career with Texas, San Diego, Boston and Los Angeles-NL.
Gonzlez played for Team Mexico in the 2006, 2009, 2013 and 2017 World Baseball Classic.
To make room on the 40-man roster for Jay Bruce, the Mets designated RHP Kevin McGowan for assignment and to make room for Gonzlez, the Mets designated RHP Chasen Bradford for assignment.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued a press release
I was being facetious, but thanks.
Haha! I actually thought of that possibility. Good one. I know, I know...it's such a "Mets" type of signing... we get the marquee free agents when they are well-past their prime.
The New York Mets today announced that the club has signed five-time All-Star Adrin Gonzlez to a one-year contract.
Sounds good. What you didn't tell us is that he hasn't made an all-star game in going on three years - where he started out hot and then fizzled out.
He had his career lowest outputs in RBIs and HRs the last two, respectively. He was traded after losing his job to ATL, who then decide, "Fuck we do?," and then cut his was.
He's got a reputation as a bit of a cancer in the lockeroom.
The only reason there isn't a bigger fork sticking out of his back is because we haven't yet smelt enough metal. This guy doesnt warrant a press release. And he's our starting 1B.
not buying into it, but if you were forced to look for a silver lining, if healthy Gonzalez can prove to be a decent reclamation project. even if he is a dumpster dive.
Still skeptical and it reeks of "typical Mets move", but can only complain for so long.
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It's a one-year deal for the Mets and Adrian Gonzalez, who pledges to help work with Dominic Smith: http://atmlb.com/2mM65BF
I did appreciate this now annual tidbit about Smith's weigh loss:
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As a rookie, Smith hit .198 with nine home runs in 49 games, earning a dash of criticism about his conditioning from general manager Sandy Alderson. The GM later backed off those comments, but Smith nonetheless took them and others to heart; as of mid-December, he had dropped 12 pounds with an offseason focus on exercise and nutrition.
That potential lineup looks awful- especially without Conforto. The kicker is that they are still bad defensively. If you're going to have a weak lineup with potential for good pitching, how do you field such bad defense?
How the hell are they bringing back D'Arnaud? Hasn't they seen enough to prove he's not a good catcher?
Passing on Reed at that price seems insane considering how good he was a couple years ago. Unless theres something behind the scenes that one is a huge head scratcher. Or unless hes saving his remaining budget for a 2B.
The names being bandied about are not really
Much better or even
As good as the internal options: Cabrera, Flores, Riveria
If Mets were going to add a legit all star at 2b
I could see it.
And, yes, moving fowArd the position needs to be
Upgraded. But a lot of the deals being mentioned seem like they have a higher risk than the potential reward
If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
almost identical to Reed's 2016. Swarzak was a top 10 reliever in baseball last year. We are getting a healthy Familia back, a Ramos addition, and a guy coming off a top 10 reliever in baseball year and people are still obsessing over the pen.... Shit, even Mejia might be reinstated in spring training. lol.
Im definitely not opposed to another arm in the pen but we have much bigger holes IMO.
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
It's probably smoke being released by the Mets to pump up Nimmo's value. Brilliant if that's the case IMO. If the Mets squashed the deal over mone it's because they didnt believe Harrison represented enough value IMO, not because they couldnt afford his contract. The truth is, Harrison just isnt that good.
the more I dont want him at all. Over the last 3 seasons (more than 1500 atbats) the guy hasnt even hit league average. We are supposed to give up Nimmo + in a package AND pay him 11 million a year? For a guy north of 30? Nope. Sorry. Not interested. Sign Frazier and move Cabrera to 2B and call it a day.
If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
Isn't Cabrera moving to 3B?
The Mets are looking at 3B and 2B. The assumption is Cabrera plays the position opposite of who they acquire.
because they couldn't afford his contract? I dont believe that at all and if they add 10 million more or so in salary (lets say Frazier) that will be proved false.
Also dont see how theyd pass on that Reed deal unless they are basically hard capped by their budget. That was the best value deal of the offseason.
On the optimistic side Gonzalez seems to be saying all the right things and its not entirely impossible that if hes healthy he has a bounce back year. For $500k its a decent lotto ticket. What it says about Smith is harder to judge and their developmental track record harder to trust.
But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
RE: I dont know what was involved in the Kipnis deal
But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
So far this offseason is still an incomplete for me...
I need to see the final picture. If we still bring in a 2B/3B type and maybe steal a SP late Ill be very happy. We might even be able to add another reliever. Guys like Watson are still out there (although Im not a huge fan).
I like Swarzak and Bruce but if that's it, Ill be disappointed.
RE: RE: I dont know what was involved in the Kipnis deal
But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
Ok.. so barely was a stretch without looking but less than a full season in AAA and he's 22. Will a couple more months of AAA kill Smith? Especially, considering his power is still developing and he may have sold out and lost part of what made his approach successful in the minors?
not but it's also not particularly clear what repeating the PCL will do. Will his disappointing fielding be different at AAA? I thought the narrative was he couldn't stay in shape in LV and would be different with big leaguers and big league coaches and trainers?
not but it's also not particularly clear what repeating the PCL will do. Will his disappointing fielding be different at AAA? I thought the narrative was he couldn't stay in shape in LV and would be different with big leaguers and big league coaches and trainers?
I dont know. Im just not sold Smith is a major league first baseman yet. There are aspects of what he's doing I like but he just looks like he's still developing (offensively and defensively) and if that's the case I dont mind him getting a little more work in AAA. If he's raking in the spring and A Gone looks washed up then Ill be all about Smith making the roster and us cutting Gonzalez as soon as possible but I dont see how a little competition hurts. And if Smith is still lost it might actually be a nice little fill in to buy some more time for him.
I just dont think you can have it both ways. Reed's value fell because he was signed so much later than the other backend options signed around the meetings. There's a good chance at the winter meetings Reed was asking for a lot more. You cant be mad at Sandy for being aggressive and coming away with a guy and then be mad that he didnt wait out the market on a guy like Reed who may have ended up being a bigger bargain months later.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
I see this off-season as yet another missed opportunity
They passed on good players who were available at positions of need - specifically Dee Gordon, Kipinis, Cain, and Reed. Cain hasnt signed yet and if he gets 3x what Bruce got, I get the choice, but if it ends up being a difference of 5m/year thats a different story.
I dont hate the guys they did acquire and regardless the SP health is what will ultimately determine the success of the season - just disappointed that they could have turned the BP and defense up the middle into real strengths and they didnt. Both would have greatly assisted the starters. There are still some guys out there who could help but to this point they are treading water at best unless Gonzalez goes back to what he was in 15/16 and plays good D. That would change the lineup.
I just dont think you can have it both ways. Reed's value fell because he was signed so much later than the other backend options signed around the meetings. There's a good chance at the winter meetings Reed was asking for a lot more. You cant be mad at Sandy for being aggressive and coming away with a guy and then be mad that he didnt wait out the market on a guy like Reed who may have ended up being a bigger bargain months later.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
They could have easily signed both. Going into the offseason they were talking about signing multiple RP - until the market turned into an inferno and Sandys budget got cut lower than expected.
Almost every good player on the market is still there. Not saying we are coming away with Yu Darvish, Arrieta, JD Martinez, or Hosmer but the whole offseason is basically still right there in play. Nobody has done anything really.... There are quality 2B/3B available, quality SP available, and quality RP available.
Bruce was like the second-best free agent signed by any team so far. lol.
I just dont think you can have it both ways. Reed's value fell because he was signed so much later than the other backend options signed around the meetings. There's a good chance at the winter meetings Reed was asking for a lot more. You cant be mad at Sandy for being aggressive and coming away with a guy and then be mad that he didnt wait out the market on a guy like Reed who may have ended up being a bigger bargain months later.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
They could have easily signed both. Going into the offseason they were talking about signing multiple RP - until the market turned into an inferno and Sandys budget got cut lower than expected.
They never said they were looking at adding multiple 8th inning types. Could have been one backend guy and a second tier type for all we know They already added Ramos specifically for 2018 and now Swarzak. Plus your getting Familia back.
Swarzak pitched more before the 8th inning last year than as setup guy
Reed proved he can be a top setup man - which is something Ramos has not showed. Hes been a middling closet, and that doesnt necessarily mean he can excel as a setup man. Plus hes only got one year so it would have made sense to secure Reed on a steal of a contract now. Odds are someone will get hurt or not have their best season, passing on Reed now will likely mean giving up a top 10 prospect in season.
"steal of a contract" when they were shopping for a backend option. Swarzak is coming off an amazing season and is still costing almost 10 million. Ramos is making around that. You say sign Reed too? Reed, even at a value later, would have made close to that too. You're talking about allocating 30 million of the payroll to setup options when we have a bunch of other holes. Not sure I would agree with that. Reed in a vacuum? Sure. I like him. But there other moving pieces in play.
You realize they were still trying to sign Reed up until last week?
So clearly they saw a need to bring him back. They didnt just move on after signing Swarzak. Presumably they just didnt have the budget for it after signing Bruce and self imposing budget cuts - which is why everyone other than you loathes this franchise. Source: Mets still interested in signing Jay Bruce, Addison Reed - ( New Window )
another player then clearly they did have enough room for Bruce and Reed but chose to allocate that money on other needs. Until I see the final picture Ill reserve judgement on whether it was the right call or not.
Adding 37 relievers to the roster when we have massive holes in the lineup and rotation doesn't seem as prudent to me as it might be to others.
Further, we can argue about it until we are blue in the face but nothing is going to make the majority of the fanbase happy again until wins are on the board and we wont know that until well into the season.
If the Mets showed even a glimmer of a desire to put a winning product on the field.
So in an offseason where literally 90% of all free agents are still on the board, and they went out and acquired one of the best relievers in baseball last year and a bonafide slugger and flat out said yesterday they are looking for another significant acquisition they are showing you they have no desire to put a winning product on the field (PS they put a winning product on the field 2 of the last 3 years).
Npbody has virtually done a thing except maybe the Giants and the Yankees getting Stanton.
At least we are somewhat active.
The biggest additions are going to come from guys like Syndergaard, Familia, and Cespedes anyway... most of the offseason is irrelevant unless we get our franchise cornerstones back and healthy.
Npbody has virtually done a thing except maybe the Giants and the Yankees getting Stanton.
At least we are somewhat active.
The biggest additions are going to come from guys like Syndergaard, Familia, and Cespedes anyway... most of the offseason is irrelevant unless we get our franchise cornerstones back and healthy.
Yet unsurprising you framed it as "winning product in two of the last three years).
You come gently left out the 79 win team. Or the fact that Sandy has been here for seven. They've had one 90 win team in how many season running?
Oh JFC. Here comes the chicken and the egg bullshit again. We had a complete wipeout of injuries last year. How did the Giants do last year after Bumgarner went down?? They were a playoff team the year before that too. The Red Sox, Diamondbacks, and many other teams had complete wipeout seasons sprinkled in due to losing a few of their key players over the last 5 years.
As for before 2015... You do realize that Syndergaard and Conforto didnt even hit the majors until 2015 right? And not a single first round pick before that either right? The window couldn't have possibly started before 2015. Sandy built his team to start winning in 2015 (also the year he went in on a star in Cespedes). Since the talent he acquired started hitting the majors we have gone to the playoffs 2 times out of 3 and the majority of the fanbase thought last year had its most talented roster. INJURIES KILLED THAT TEAM.
in his post, I do believe injuries were the major reason for 2017 and even for only getting the WC in 2016.
but I also think it's a little bit disingenuous to say Sandy went in on a star in Cespedes.
If we're to believe the reports, and I have not seen anyone dispute them, the Mets were a failed physical away from Carlos Gomez and a decent chance if I had to guess how the rest of that season would have played out, at not making the World Series.
I won't say it's all look but a pretty serendipitous failed physical.
I forget who was next, but from the reports Cespedes was the 3rd choice.
The only positive would have been the Mets probably still have Fulmer, I don't remember him being in the Gomez trade I think it was Flores and Wheeler.
So Thor, deGrom and Fulmer might have made 2016 even better.
for injuries, but there comes a point where the results have to be there. If you're the GM of a team for almost a decade and in the NY market, you need to make it past the wild card play-in game more than once.
I don't think anyone here was calling for Sandy to be fired after 2017, but it would take willful blindness to not understanding why people are upset after a 90 loss season, a bottom 10 (bottom 5 by some rankings) farm system, and a lackluster offseason in which multiple sources have said the team plans on cutting payroll.
A good 2018 season will of course raise spirits (especially if the farm system rebounds) but if the Mets win 87 games and lose in the wild card game again, I'll be left wondering what the team might've been able to do if ownership was willing to spend more money to improve the team.
I think the ownership has a fan unfriendly stance on when fans show up we'll spend money. Fred has said those exact words.
What business gets away with that?
And Sandy, whether he's falling on his sword and taking one for the team or not is unknown, but he's had a pretty bad draft record, and a pretty bad decision record with things like Cuddyer and the Neil Walker QO.
I agree Sandy has been here long enough that this whole mess is on him, the fact he's had a #13, #12, #11, and #10 draft pick that seem like a decent chance of amounting to one MLB player does not speak well to his draft philosophy.
and that's not even considering how bad 2016 draft is looking right now (even with Alonso) it's early, but not looking good.
in his post, I do believe injuries were the major reason for 2017 and even for only getting the WC in 2016.
but I also think it's a little bit disingenuous to say Sandy went in on a star in Cespedes.
If we're to believe the reports, and I have not seen anyone dispute them, the Mets were a failed physical away from Carlos Gomez and a decent chance if I had to guess how the rest of that season would have played out, at not making the World Series.
I won't say it's all look but a pretty serendipitous failed physical.
I forget who was next, but from the reports Cespedes was the 3rd choice.
The only positive would have been the Mets probably still have Fulmer, I don't remember him being in the Gomez trade I think it was Flores and Wheeler.
So Thor, deGrom and Fulmer might have made 2016 even better.
Gomez failed his physical, Castellini stepped in and balked at the Wheeler/Bruce deal arguing Bruce was a home grown star etc.
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Right now they are relying on guys like Harvey bouncing back and Matz/Wheeler staying healthy. How about going after some of the FA starting pitchers if the market keeps dropping. I would feel a lot better about 2018 if they signed someone like Lynn or Cobb.
RE: There hasn't been much talk about adding SP depth
Right now they are relying on guys like Harvey bouncing back and Matz/Wheeler staying healthy. How about going after some of the FA starting pitchers if the market keeps dropping. I would feel a lot better about 2018 if they signed someone like Lynn or Cobb.
Cobb has a standing 3 for 42 from the Cubs so there is close to 0% chance he's a Met, Lynn's market is probably too hot as well.
Any other ideas for free agent SP's? Is the market waiting for Lynn and Cobb to sign before the next tier of guys make their move?
I just don't want to see guys like Tommy Milone, Montero and Flexen being relied upon if someone gets hurt or is ineffective.
Initially Sandy made it sound like they may look to add SP depth but since that time he's seemingly walked that back. Reportedly they don't have interest in a Colon reunion but otherwise hard to say. They almost HAVE TO add some sort of SP (even if it's a flier) because their next man up is Chris Flexen (who had an awful debut) followed by...Marcos Molina?
it probably makes sense to not add another SP. Yes, we could use a reliable guy to add to the rotation but since the Mets don't want to have a top 10 payroll, there just isn't the money to add anyone who is better than what we have.
Cross your fingers and hope that Harvey/Matz look good this spring.
it probably makes sense to not add another SP. Yes, we could use a reliable guy to add to the rotation but since the Mets don't want to have a top 10 payroll, there just isn't the money to add anyone who is better than what we have.
Cross your fingers and hope that Harvey/Matz look good this spring.
I would be OK with this approach if our farm system wasn't in such bad shape. I'm not confident they have the chips needed make an in season pick up if Matz/Harvey get hurt or are ineffective.
miss either one and if they do they did something wrong given the plethora of similar guys they have. If they have anything in the system it's potential 6th-7th inning arms.
I agree with Dan, though - I honestly don't even think the Mets would consider that. If they do, things are even worse than I thought - which would be saying a LOT.
but the more I look at it the more I like the Gonzalez lotto ticket. He's like a dollar store Carlos Santana. Obviously, everything hinges on whether or not the back injuries last year were a 1 year thing or if he's just done. If he's done it should be an easy decision to just cut him. If he's healthy though, below are his averages from the last 2 healthy years compared to Carlos Santana's last 3 seasons average. For Gonzalez neither of these seasons were career years or even prime years. They were basically career average type seasons. 2016 was a career year for Santana but his numbers have always been pretty steady year to year. Both are relatively low K guys (17%) but Santana is better at drawing walks.
Santana avg. season '15-'17 - 25 hrs, 83 rbis, .250/.362/.450
Gonzalez avg. season '15-'16 - 23 hrs, 90 rbis, .280/.349/.457
Defensively last year was the only year in the past 7 Gonzalez was negative with DRS. By that metric he's been 1 of the top 1B for the last 5-10 years.
So again, big IF, but if he's healthy and not cooked, Gonzalez could be a good signing. Since this is the Mets he'll probably be garbage for 2 months and then turn into Bobby Hart when they bench him. At the league min this can only work out badly if the Mets let it.
I'd really like to see them use whatever minimal amount of budget they have to find a 2B Rosario can pair with for more than 1 year so it's not a shuttle of guys next to him.
RE: Bringing back Colon I like since it will be cheap, Walker I don't
I'd really like to see them use whatever minimal amount of budget they have to find a 2B Rosario can pair with for more than 1 year so it's not a shuttle of guys next to him.
Rosario-Flores DP combo for the next decade
I don't think Flores is the best guy to break in a young shortstop
would rather have someone who can be more of a stable defensive presence. Also Flores would likely be shuttled in and out of the lineup as has happened in the past. Not ideal to give a young guy trying to get accustomed to the MLB level extra stuff to worry about.
I'd take a shot on Bart if it was for basically nothing and there was no guarantee or obligation... he was really, really bad last year though. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just finished.
Just funny that seemingly every time we are linked to a player, it's a guy who was already here or we have familiarity with. So Mets.
I'd take a shot on Bart if it was for basically nothing and there was no guarantee or obligation... he was really, really bad last year though. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just finished.
Just funny that seemingly every time we are linked to a player, it's a guy who was already here or we have familiarity with. So Mets.
Yeah to me it's annoying when it's guys who weren't very good here (Walker) or play a position that's already filled (Bruce). In Colon's case they need a few spring training invite pitchers for depth and in his previous stint he was very good in the clubhouse.
Like, if the Mets had a really good roster as it was and were considering adding Bart for additional depth - great! I'm fine with that. But this team isn't linked to any player that will actually be a difference maker. It's always bargain basement guys or players who were already here.
If Anthony Swarzak is our "biggest" new signing this offseason then come the fuck on.
And I actually liked that move - I'm good with it. But that needed to be one of about 5 other moves and it doesn't seem like that's going to be the case.
I obviously agree re: them not filling other needs, but a ST invite
or league minimum signing isn't blocking their other spending, they're doing that independent of Colon. And unlike position players pitchers don't really "block" other guys from getting playing time, if he's good enough he'll get some mop-up innings and spot starts when there are no better options. No downside.
2B is the position they've completely botched. They thought they had Kinsler and fumbled on the 1 yard line, then the Kipinis deal blew up over money. Now they're going to sign someone on the cheap to complete the tri-fecta of misfit infielders who won't be here next year surrounding Rosario. "Your New York Mets - Building for never!"
Lol, yep - they botched Kinsler and Kipnis so now what's going to happen is Jose Reyes will probably be back as the everyday 2B.
Truth be told, I'd like Reyes here as a super utility guy to play 3B/SS/2B in a pinch - he'd be a good bench player. He's also super, super close with Rosario and I think that's great that he's so willing to mentor him and be there for him. I like that the two of them are such good friends and would love to see Rosario become the type of player Reyes was in his prime (without as many SB's, obviously..)
But what the Mets will do is bring him back to be an everyday player. Because again - it's a guy they know and are familiar with and that seems to be what we're looking for here.
I just can't help but feel like they really lack outside the box thinking.
I want to see the Mets show interest in a player who maybe wasn't on our fan radar but would be a good addition. I want to see them show some foresight and make me feel like maybe they're exploring different options.
But the vibe I always get is that they are simply looking to recapture past success by bringing the same players back.. which is honestly just really disappointing and underwhelming because it wasn't good enough before, and it's not going to be good enough now.
I just want them to not make decisions centered around money.
previous regimes had, he's just got minimal choices with his budget. He's has to go into every year with numerous guys on 1 year contracts, and now the same guys he couldn't get much for at the deadline aren't getting much interest in FA (so their prices are low enough for the Wilpons).
He's definitely not creative or outside the box, but I don't know that anyone could do much better given the evolving budget in the wrong direction. Draft better probably, trade more definitely. But with the Wilpons not being committed to cause there's only so far anyone can take this org.
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
He had an injury last year and obviously Bellinger took his job but it's hard to say that age is not a significant factor in his numbers' declining.
From what I've read the Mets don't expect Conforto to be ready to play until about May 1st.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued the following press release:
Gonzlez, 35, has hit over 300 home runs (311), driven in over 100 runs seven times and has earned four Gold Glove Awards during his 14-year major league career.
The 6-2, 215-pounder ranks sixth among active players with 432 doubles and in RBI (1,176) and ninth in home runs. He led the NL with 116 RBI in 2014, led the AL in hits (213) in 2011 and the NL in walks (119) in 2009.
Gonzlez had 11 straight seasons (2006-2016) where he played 150 or more games before appearing in 71 contests last year and ending up the Disabled List for the first time in his career with lower back discomfort.
Gonzlez was traded by the Dodgers to Atlanta on December 16, 2017 as part of a five-player deal. The Braves designated Gonzlez for assignment.
He helped the Dodgers win the NL West for the fifth straight year last season. In 34 career postseason games, the lefthanded-hitter has seven home runs and 21 RBI.
He has batted .288 with a .359 OBP during his major league career with Texas, San Diego, Boston and Los Angeles-NL.
Gonzlez played for Team Mexico in the 2006, 2009, 2013 and 2017 World Baseball Classic.
To make room on the 40-man roster for Jay Bruce, the Mets designated RHP Kevin McGowan for assignment and to make room for Gonzlez, the Mets designated RHP Chasen Bradford for assignment.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued a press release
I was being facetious, but thanks.
Yeah, you know how this is going to go...
We can't have anything nice here. Exciting young pitchers? Don't worry - they'll get hurt!
Exciting young hitter? Don't worry - he'll get hurt!
The injuries and bullshit never end with this team.
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Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued a press release
I was being facetious, but thanks.
Haha! I actually thought of that possibility. Good one. I know, I know...it's such a "Mets" type of signing... we get the marquee free agents when they are well-past their prime.
Project lineup. Looks bad, especially if you swap Lagares for Conforto. Lagares lead off? Nimmo might be a better lead off with his patience.
Sounds good. What you didn't tell us is that he hasn't made an all-star game in going on three years - where he started out hot and then fizzled out.
He had his career lowest outputs in RBIs and HRs the last two, respectively. He was traded after losing his job to ATL, who then decide, "Fuck we do?," and then cut his was.
He's got a reputation as a bit of a cancer in the lockeroom.
The only reason there isn't a bigger fork sticking out of his back is because we haven't yet smelt enough metal. This guy doesnt warrant a press release. And he's our starting 1B.
Fuck Adrian Gonzalez.
see you in 2019!
Still skeptical and it reeks of "typical Mets move", but can only complain for so long.
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It's a one-year deal for the Mets and Adrian Gonzalez, who pledges to help work with Dominic Smith: http://atmlb.com/2mM65BF
I did appreciate this now annual tidbit about Smith's weigh loss:
How the hell are they bringing back D'Arnaud? Hasn't they seen enough to prove he's not a good catcher?
How's the bullpen looking?
The lone caveat I think Mets fans can cling to is there are still a ton of free agents out there.
for whatever reason this is the coldest "hot stove" season I can remember.
Bruce is the 4th biggest FA contract (including Upton) of the off-season.
tons of players still available. Of course the Mets supposed $10M is long gone, so we'll see if that's made up or not.
you can plug in either one and get the same results, but shitty catchers is about league norm, no clue why it's so hard to find decent catchers.
in other news, who the F is this guy?
Per the #MLB Transaction page, the #Mets signed RHP Eiker Huizi to a minors deal on January 12.
you can plug in either one and get the same results, but shitty catchers is about league norm, no clue why it's so hard to find decent catchers.
in other news, who the F is this guy?
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Per the #MLB Transaction page, the #Mets signed RHP Eiker Huizi to a minors deal on January 12.
A 17 year old RHP who Ben Badler had not even heard of
This is really fucking pathetic.
We can't afford Josh Harrison?
Sell the goddamn team.
Much better or even
As good as the internal options: Cabrera, Flores, Riveria
If Mets were going to add a legit all star at 2b
I could see it.
And, yes, moving fowArd the position needs to be
Upgraded. But a lot of the deals being mentioned seem like they have a higher risk than the potential reward
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
Isn't Cabrera moving to 3B?
With so many SP on the market still and only weeks until pitchers and catchers... maybe a starting pitcher falls into their lap too?
Swarzak, Bruce, Frazier, and Cobb?
Yes please!
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This is really fucking pathetic.
We can't afford Josh Harrison?
Sell the goddamn team.
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
Im definitely not opposed to another arm in the pen but we have much bigger holes IMO.
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This is really fucking pathetic.
We can't afford Josh Harrison?
Sell the goddamn team.
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
It's probably smoke being released by the Mets to pump up Nimmo's value. Brilliant if that's the case IMO. If the Mets squashed the deal over mone it's because they didnt believe Harrison represented enough value IMO, not because they couldnt afford his contract. The truth is, Harrison just isnt that good.
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If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
Isn't Cabrera moving to 3B?
The Mets are looking at 3B and 2B. The assumption is Cabrera plays the position opposite of who they acquire.
Again - Harrison doesn't matter to me, but it tells me that we still have legitimate money problems and I'm really, REALLY tired of it.
Im not arguing that. I just dont believe they cant afford Harrison's contract.
On the optimistic side Gonzalez seems to be saying all the right things and its not entirely impossible that if hes healthy he has a bounce back year. For $500k its a decent lotto ticket. What it says about Smith is harder to judge and their developmental track record harder to trust.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
I like Swarzak and Bruce but if that's it, Ill be disappointed.
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But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
Ok.. so barely was a stretch without looking but less than a full season in AAA and he's 22. Will a couple more months of AAA kill Smith? Especially, considering his power is still developing and he may have sold out and lost part of what made his approach successful in the minors?
I dont know. Im just not sold Smith is a major league first baseman yet. There are aspects of what he's doing I like but he just looks like he's still developing (offensively and defensively) and if that's the case I dont mind him getting a little more work in AAA. If he's raking in the spring and A Gone looks washed up then Ill be all about Smith making the roster and us cutting Gonzalez as soon as possible but I dont see how a little competition hurts. And if Smith is still lost it might actually be a nice little fill in to buy some more time for him.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
I dont hate the guys they did acquire and regardless the SP health is what will ultimately determine the success of the season - just disappointed that they could have turned the BP and defense up the middle into real strengths and they didnt. Both would have greatly assisted the starters. There are still some guys out there who could help but to this point they are treading water at best unless Gonzalez goes back to what he was in 15/16 and plays good D. That would change the lineup.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
They could have easily signed both. Going into the offseason they were talking about signing multiple RP - until the market turned into an inferno and Sandys budget got cut lower than expected.
Bruce was like the second-best free agent signed by any team so far. lol.
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I just dont think you can have it both ways. Reed's value fell because he was signed so much later than the other backend options signed around the meetings. There's a good chance at the winter meetings Reed was asking for a lot more. You cant be mad at Sandy for being aggressive and coming away with a guy and then be mad that he didnt wait out the market on a guy like Reed who may have ended up being a bigger bargain months later.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
They could have easily signed both. Going into the offseason they were talking about signing multiple RP - until the market turned into an inferno and Sandys budget got cut lower than expected.
They never said they were looking at adding multiple 8th inning types. Could have been one backend guy and a second tier type for all we know They already added Ramos specifically for 2018 and now Swarzak. Plus your getting Familia back.
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Adding 37 relievers to the roster when we have massive holes in the lineup and rotation doesn't seem as prudent to me as it might be to others.
Further, we can argue about it until we are blue in the face but nothing is going to make the majority of the fanbase happy again until wins are on the board and we wont know that until well into the season.
So in an offseason where literally 90% of all free agents are still on the board, and they went out and acquired one of the best relievers in baseball last year and a bonafide slugger and flat out said yesterday they are looking for another significant acquisition they are showing you they have no desire to put a winning product on the field (PS they put a winning product on the field 2 of the last 3 years).
You come gently left out the 79 win team. Or the fact that Sandy has been here for seven. They've had one 90 win team in how many season running?
At least we are somewhat active.
The biggest additions are going to come from guys like Syndergaard, Familia, and Cespedes anyway... most of the offseason is irrelevant unless we get our franchise cornerstones back and healthy.
At least we are somewhat active.
The biggest additions are going to come from guys like Syndergaard, Familia, and Cespedes anyway... most of the offseason is irrelevant unless we get our franchise cornerstones back and healthy.
Are you for real?
You come gently left out the 79 win team. Or the fact that Sandy has been here for seven. They've had one 90 win team in how many season running?
Oh JFC. Here comes the chicken and the egg bullshit again. We had a complete wipeout of injuries last year. How did the Giants do last year after Bumgarner went down?? They were a playoff team the year before that too. The Red Sox, Diamondbacks, and many other teams had complete wipeout seasons sprinkled in due to losing a few of their key players over the last 5 years.
As for before 2015... You do realize that Syndergaard and Conforto didnt even hit the majors until 2015 right? And not a single first round pick before that either right? The window couldn't have possibly started before 2015. Sandy built his team to start winning in 2015 (also the year he went in on a star in Cespedes). Since the talent he acquired started hitting the majors we have gone to the playoffs 2 times out of 3 and the majority of the fanbase thought last year had its most talented roster. INJURIES KILLED THAT TEAM.
but I also think it's a little bit disingenuous to say Sandy went in on a star in Cespedes.
If we're to believe the reports, and I have not seen anyone dispute them, the Mets were a failed physical away from Carlos Gomez and a decent chance if I had to guess how the rest of that season would have played out, at not making the World Series.
I won't say it's all look but a pretty serendipitous failed physical.
I forget who was next, but from the reports Cespedes was the 3rd choice.
The only positive would have been the Mets probably still have Fulmer, I don't remember him being in the Gomez trade I think it was Flores and Wheeler.
So Thor, deGrom and Fulmer might have made 2016 even better.
I don't think anyone here was calling for Sandy to be fired after 2017, but it would take willful blindness to not understanding why people are upset after a 90 loss season, a bottom 10 (bottom 5 by some rankings) farm system, and a lackluster offseason in which multiple sources have said the team plans on cutting payroll.
A good 2018 season will of course raise spirits (especially if the farm system rebounds) but if the Mets win 87 games and lose in the wild card game again, I'll be left wondering what the team might've been able to do if ownership was willing to spend more money to improve the team.
What business gets away with that?
And Sandy, whether he's falling on his sword and taking one for the team or not is unknown, but he's had a pretty bad draft record, and a pretty bad decision record with things like Cuddyer and the Neil Walker QO.
I agree Sandy has been here long enough that this whole mess is on him, the fact he's had a #13, #12, #11, and #10 draft pick that seem like a decent chance of amounting to one MLB player does not speak well to his draft philosophy.
and that's not even considering how bad 2016 draft is looking right now (even with Alonso) it's early, but not looking good.
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but I also think it's a little bit disingenuous to say Sandy went in on a star in Cespedes.
If we're to believe the reports, and I have not seen anyone dispute them, the Mets were a failed physical away from Carlos Gomez and a decent chance if I had to guess how the rest of that season would have played out, at not making the World Series.
I won't say it's all look but a pretty serendipitous failed physical.
I forget who was next, but from the reports Cespedes was the 3rd choice.
The only positive would have been the Mets probably still have Fulmer, I don't remember him being in the Gomez trade I think it was Flores and Wheeler.
So Thor, deGrom and Fulmer might have made 2016 even better.
Gomez failed his physical, Castellini stepped in and balked at the Wheeler/Bruce deal arguing Bruce was a home grown star etc.
Maybe we'll see an Ichiro, Tebow and Bruce OF if the Mets are out of contention in September. Would be a great way to pack the stands!
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Cobb has a standing 3 for 42 from the Cubs so there is close to 0% chance he's a Met, Lynn's market is probably too hot as well.
I just don't want to see guys like Tommy Milone, Montero and Flexen being relied upon if someone gets hurt or is ineffective.
I just don't want to see guys like Tommy Milone, Montero and Flexen being relied upon if someone gets hurt or is ineffective.
Initially Sandy made it sound like they may look to add SP depth but since that time he's seemingly walked that back. Reportedly they don't have interest in a Colon reunion but otherwise hard to say. They almost HAVE TO add some sort of SP (even if it's a flier) because their next man up is Chris Flexen (who had an awful debut) followed by...Marcos Molina?
Cross your fingers and hope that Harvey/Matz look good this spring.
Cross your fingers and hope that Harvey/Matz look good this spring.
I would be OK with this approach if our farm system wasn't in such bad shape. I'm not confident they have the chips needed make an in season pick up if Matz/Harvey get hurt or are ineffective.
not saying it will, but hope that doesn't come back to bite the Mets.
I'm as cynical as they come and even I don't think they would consider that.
If Matt Reynolds is our starting 2B, I won't watch a single game.
Give the kid a chance. He wont be a bust.
Why any beat writer follows the Mets, Ill never know.
Santana avg. season '15-'17 - 25 hrs, 83 rbis, .250/.362/.450
Gonzalez avg. season '15-'16 - 23 hrs, 90 rbis, .280/.349/.457
Defensively last year was the only year in the past 7 Gonzalez was negative with DRS. By that metric he's been 1 of the top 1B for the last 5-10 years.
So again, big IF, but if he's healthy and not cooked, Gonzalez could be a good signing. Since this is the Mets he'll probably be garbage for 2 months and then turn into Bobby Hart when they bench him. At the league min this can only work out badly if the Mets let it.
Why would Reynolds be our starting 2B? He's likely 4th or 5th on our depth chart now without an addition.
Flores
TJ Rivera (when healthy)
Cecchini
Possibly even Guillorme if you wanted defense.
Reynolds
And we are still likely bringing in a 2B/3B IMO.
LOL
Like I keep saying - it's like they only gravitate towards the guys they already know. It's so stale and uninspiring.
How about a guy who actually didn't already play here?
Rosario-Flores DP combo for the next decade
Just funny that seemingly every time we are linked to a player, it's a guy who was already here or we have familiarity with. So Mets.
Just funny that seemingly every time we are linked to a player, it's a guy who was already here or we have familiarity with. So Mets.
Yeah to me it's annoying when it's guys who weren't very good here (Walker) or play a position that's already filled (Bruce). In Colon's case they need a few spring training invite pitchers for depth and in his previous stint he was very good in the clubhouse.
If Anthony Swarzak is our "biggest" new signing this offseason then come the fuck on.
And I actually liked that move - I'm good with it. But that needed to be one of about 5 other moves and it doesn't seem like that's going to be the case.
2B is the position they've completely botched. They thought they had Kinsler and fumbled on the 1 yard line, then the Kipinis deal blew up over money. Now they're going to sign someone on the cheap to complete the tri-fecta of misfit infielders who won't be here next year surrounding Rosario. "Your New York Mets - Building for never!"
Truth be told, I'd like Reyes here as a super utility guy to play 3B/SS/2B in a pinch - he'd be a good bench player. He's also super, super close with Rosario and I think that's great that he's so willing to mentor him and be there for him. I like that the two of them are such good friends and would love to see Rosario become the type of player Reyes was in his prime (without as many SB's, obviously..)
But what the Mets will do is bring him back to be an everyday player. Because again - it's a guy they know and are familiar with and that seems to be what we're looking for here.
I just can't help but feel like they really lack outside the box thinking.
I want to see the Mets show interest in a player who maybe wasn't on our fan radar but would be a good addition. I want to see them show some foresight and make me feel like maybe they're exploring different options.
But the vibe I always get is that they are simply looking to recapture past success by bringing the same players back.. which is honestly just really disappointing and underwhelming because it wasn't good enough before, and it's not going to be good enough now.
He's definitely not creative or outside the box, but I don't know that anyone could do much better given the evolving budget in the wrong direction. Draft better probably, trade more definitely. But with the Wilpons not being committed to cause there's only so far anyone can take this org.