He passed his physical and is now a Met. Low-cost move, they'll be on the hook for about half a million. Hopefully he can be the 2015 or at least the 2016 version of himself, and not the 2017 version.
is he just old or does he have major injury concerns?
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
is he just old or does he have major injury concerns?
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
He had an injury last year and obviously Bellinger took his job but it's hard to say that age is not a significant factor in his numbers' declining.
From what I've read the Mets don't expect Conforto to be ready to play until about May 1st.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued the following press release:
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The New York Mets today announced that the club has signed five-time All-Star Adrin Gonzlez to a one-year contract.
Gonzlez, 35, has hit over 300 home runs (311), driven in over 100 runs seven times and has earned four Gold Glove Awards during his 14-year major league career.
The 6-2, 215-pounder ranks sixth among active players with 432 doubles and in RBI (1,176) and ninth in home runs. He led the NL with 116 RBI in 2014, led the AL in hits (213) in 2011 and the NL in walks (119) in 2009.
Gonzlez had 11 straight seasons (2006-2016) where he played 150 or more games before appearing in 71 contests last year and ending up the Disabled List for the first time in his career with lower back discomfort.
Gonzlez was traded by the Dodgers to Atlanta on December 16, 2017 as part of a five-player deal. The Braves designated Gonzlez for assignment.
He helped the Dodgers win the NL West for the fifth straight year last season. In 34 career postseason games, the lefthanded-hitter has seven home runs and 21 RBI.
He has batted .288 with a .359 OBP during his major league career with Texas, San Diego, Boston and Los Angeles-NL.
Gonzlez played for Team Mexico in the 2006, 2009, 2013 and 2017 World Baseball Classic.
To make room on the 40-man roster for Jay Bruce, the Mets designated RHP Kevin McGowan for assignment and to make room for Gonzlez, the Mets designated RHP Chasen Bradford for assignment.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued a press release
I was being facetious, but thanks.
Haha! I actually thought of that possibility. Good one. I know, I know...it's such a "Mets" type of signing... we get the marquee free agents when they are well-past their prime.
The New York Mets today announced that the club has signed five-time All-Star Adrin Gonzlez to a one-year contract.
Sounds good. What you didn't tell us is that he hasn't made an all-star game in going on three years - where he started out hot and then fizzled out.
He had his career lowest outputs in RBIs and HRs the last two, respectively. He was traded after losing his job to ATL, who then decide, "Fuck we do?," and then cut his was.
He's got a reputation as a bit of a cancer in the lockeroom.
The only reason there isn't a bigger fork sticking out of his back is because we haven't yet smelt enough metal. This guy doesnt warrant a press release. And he's our starting 1B.
not buying into it, but if you were forced to look for a silver lining, if healthy Gonzalez can prove to be a decent reclamation project. even if he is a dumpster dive.
Still skeptical and it reeks of "typical Mets move", but can only complain for so long.
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It's a one-year deal for the Mets and Adrian Gonzalez, who pledges to help work with Dominic Smith: http://atmlb.com/2mM65BF
I did appreciate this now annual tidbit about Smith's weigh loss:
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As a rookie, Smith hit .198 with nine home runs in 49 games, earning a dash of criticism about his conditioning from general manager Sandy Alderson. The GM later backed off those comments, but Smith nonetheless took them and others to heart; as of mid-December, he had dropped 12 pounds with an offseason focus on exercise and nutrition.
That potential lineup looks awful- especially without Conforto. The kicker is that they are still bad defensively. If you're going to have a weak lineup with potential for good pitching, how do you field such bad defense?
How the hell are they bringing back D'Arnaud? Hasn't they seen enough to prove he's not a good catcher?
Passing on Reed at that price seems insane considering how good he was a couple years ago. Unless theres something behind the scenes that one is a huge head scratcher. Or unless hes saving his remaining budget for a 2B.
The names being bandied about are not really
Much better or even
As good as the internal options: Cabrera, Flores, Riveria
If Mets were going to add a legit all star at 2b
I could see it.
And, yes, moving fowArd the position needs to be
Upgraded. But a lot of the deals being mentioned seem like they have a higher risk than the potential reward
If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
almost identical to Reed's 2016. Swarzak was a top 10 reliever in baseball last year. We are getting a healthy Familia back, a Ramos addition, and a guy coming off a top 10 reliever in baseball year and people are still obsessing over the pen.... Shit, even Mejia might be reinstated in spring training. lol.
Im definitely not opposed to another arm in the pen but we have much bigger holes IMO.
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
It's probably smoke being released by the Mets to pump up Nimmo's value. Brilliant if that's the case IMO. If the Mets squashed the deal over mone it's because they didnt believe Harrison represented enough value IMO, not because they couldnt afford his contract. The truth is, Harrison just isnt that good.
the more I dont want him at all. Over the last 3 seasons (more than 1500 atbats) the guy hasnt even hit league average. We are supposed to give up Nimmo + in a package AND pay him 11 million a year? For a guy north of 30? Nope. Sorry. Not interested. Sign Frazier and move Cabrera to 2B and call it a day.
If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
Isn't Cabrera moving to 3B?
The Mets are looking at 3B and 2B. The assumption is Cabrera plays the position opposite of who they acquire.
because they couldn't afford his contract? I dont believe that at all and if they add 10 million more or so in salary (lets say Frazier) that will be proved false.
Also dont see how theyd pass on that Reed deal unless they are basically hard capped by their budget. That was the best value deal of the offseason.
On the optimistic side Gonzalez seems to be saying all the right things and its not entirely impossible that if hes healthy he has a bounce back year. For $500k its a decent lotto ticket. What it says about Smith is harder to judge and their developmental track record harder to trust.
But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
RE: I dont know what was involved in the Kipnis deal
But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
So far this offseason is still an incomplete for me...
I need to see the final picture. If we still bring in a 2B/3B type and maybe steal a SP late Ill be very happy. We might even be able to add another reliever. Guys like Watson are still out there (although Im not a huge fan).
I like Swarzak and Bruce but if that's it, Ill be disappointed.
RE: RE: I dont know what was involved in the Kipnis deal
But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
Ok.. so barely was a stretch without looking but less than a full season in AAA and he's 22. Will a couple more months of AAA kill Smith? Especially, considering his power is still developing and he may have sold out and lost part of what made his approach successful in the minors?
not but it's also not particularly clear what repeating the PCL will do. Will his disappointing fielding be different at AAA? I thought the narrative was he couldn't stay in shape in LV and would be different with big leaguers and big league coaches and trainers?
not but it's also not particularly clear what repeating the PCL will do. Will his disappointing fielding be different at AAA? I thought the narrative was he couldn't stay in shape in LV and would be different with big leaguers and big league coaches and trainers?
I dont know. Im just not sold Smith is a major league first baseman yet. There are aspects of what he's doing I like but he just looks like he's still developing (offensively and defensively) and if that's the case I dont mind him getting a little more work in AAA. If he's raking in the spring and A Gone looks washed up then Ill be all about Smith making the roster and us cutting Gonzalez as soon as possible but I dont see how a little competition hurts. And if Smith is still lost it might actually be a nice little fill in to buy some more time for him.
I just dont think you can have it both ways. Reed's value fell because he was signed so much later than the other backend options signed around the meetings. There's a good chance at the winter meetings Reed was asking for a lot more. You cant be mad at Sandy for being aggressive and coming away with a guy and then be mad that he didnt wait out the market on a guy like Reed who may have ended up being a bigger bargain months later.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
I see this off-season as yet another missed opportunity
They passed on good players who were available at positions of need - specifically Dee Gordon, Kipinis, Cain, and Reed. Cain hasnt signed yet and if he gets 3x what Bruce got, I get the choice, but if it ends up being a difference of 5m/year thats a different story.
I dont hate the guys they did acquire and regardless the SP health is what will ultimately determine the success of the season - just disappointed that they could have turned the BP and defense up the middle into real strengths and they didnt. Both would have greatly assisted the starters. There are still some guys out there who could help but to this point they are treading water at best unless Gonzalez goes back to what he was in 15/16 and plays good D. That would change the lineup.
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
Re: Conforto: is the shoulder injury something that will delay his 2018 debut? Likely to be a continuous problem or are there guys that have had this and rebounded fine?
He had an injury last year and obviously Bellinger took his job but it's hard to say that age is not a significant factor in his numbers' declining.
From what I've read the Mets don't expect Conforto to be ready to play until about May 1st.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued the following press release:
Gonzlez, 35, has hit over 300 home runs (311), driven in over 100 runs seven times and has earned four Gold Glove Awards during his 14-year major league career.
The 6-2, 215-pounder ranks sixth among active players with 432 doubles and in RBI (1,176) and ninth in home runs. He led the NL with 116 RBI in 2014, led the AL in hits (213) in 2011 and the NL in walks (119) in 2009.
Gonzlez had 11 straight seasons (2006-2016) where he played 150 or more games before appearing in 71 contests last year and ending up the Disabled List for the first time in his career with lower back discomfort.
Gonzlez was traded by the Dodgers to Atlanta on December 16, 2017 as part of a five-player deal. The Braves designated Gonzlez for assignment.
He helped the Dodgers win the NL West for the fifth straight year last season. In 34 career postseason games, the lefthanded-hitter has seven home runs and 21 RBI.
He has batted .288 with a .359 OBP during his major league career with Texas, San Diego, Boston and Los Angeles-NL.
Gonzlez played for Team Mexico in the 2006, 2009, 2013 and 2017 World Baseball Classic.
To make room on the 40-man roster for Jay Bruce, the Mets designated RHP Kevin McGowan for assignment and to make room for Gonzlez, the Mets designated RHP Chasen Bradford for assignment.
Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued a press release
I was being facetious, but thanks.
Yeah, you know how this is going to go...
We can't have anything nice here. Exciting young pitchers? Don't worry - they'll get hurt!
Exciting young hitter? Don't worry - he'll get hurt!
The injuries and bullshit never end with this team.
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Don't think there will be one. The Mets issued a press release
I was being facetious, but thanks.
Haha! I actually thought of that possibility. Good one. I know, I know...it's such a "Mets" type of signing... we get the marquee free agents when they are well-past their prime.
Project lineup. Looks bad, especially if you swap Lagares for Conforto. Lagares lead off? Nimmo might be a better lead off with his patience.
Sounds good. What you didn't tell us is that he hasn't made an all-star game in going on three years - where he started out hot and then fizzled out.
He had his career lowest outputs in RBIs and HRs the last two, respectively. He was traded after losing his job to ATL, who then decide, "Fuck we do?," and then cut his was.
He's got a reputation as a bit of a cancer in the lockeroom.
The only reason there isn't a bigger fork sticking out of his back is because we haven't yet smelt enough metal. This guy doesnt warrant a press release. And he's our starting 1B.
Fuck Adrian Gonzalez.
see you in 2019!
Still skeptical and it reeks of "typical Mets move", but can only complain for so long.
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It's a one-year deal for the Mets and Adrian Gonzalez, who pledges to help work with Dominic Smith: http://atmlb.com/2mM65BF
I did appreciate this now annual tidbit about Smith's weigh loss:
How the hell are they bringing back D'Arnaud? Hasn't they seen enough to prove he's not a good catcher?
How's the bullpen looking?
The lone caveat I think Mets fans can cling to is there are still a ton of free agents out there.
for whatever reason this is the coldest "hot stove" season I can remember.
Bruce is the 4th biggest FA contract (including Upton) of the off-season.
tons of players still available. Of course the Mets supposed $10M is long gone, so we'll see if that's made up or not.
you can plug in either one and get the same results, but shitty catchers is about league norm, no clue why it's so hard to find decent catchers.
in other news, who the F is this guy?
Per the #MLB Transaction page, the #Mets signed RHP Eiker Huizi to a minors deal on January 12.
you can plug in either one and get the same results, but shitty catchers is about league norm, no clue why it's so hard to find decent catchers.
in other news, who the F is this guy?
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Per the #MLB Transaction page, the #Mets signed RHP Eiker Huizi to a minors deal on January 12.
A 17 year old RHP who Ben Badler had not even heard of
This is really fucking pathetic.
We can't afford Josh Harrison?
Sell the goddamn team.
Much better or even
As good as the internal options: Cabrera, Flores, Riveria
If Mets were going to add a legit all star at 2b
I could see it.
And, yes, moving fowArd the position needs to be
Upgraded. But a lot of the deals being mentioned seem like they have a higher risk than the potential reward
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
Isn't Cabrera moving to 3B?
With so many SP on the market still and only weeks until pitchers and catchers... maybe a starting pitcher falls into their lap too?
Swarzak, Bruce, Frazier, and Cobb?
Yes please!
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This is really fucking pathetic.
We can't afford Josh Harrison?
Sell the goddamn team.
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
Im definitely not opposed to another arm in the pen but we have much bigger holes IMO.
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This is really fucking pathetic.
We can't afford Josh Harrison?
Sell the goddamn team.
This could be taken several ways, especially when seeing the bucs throw some cash into the McCutchen trade with the Giants. But when asked to someone 100% involved in the Bucs talks. Asked if it was more the money than Nimmo. Answer was simply verbatim you could say so
It's probably smoke being released by the Mets to pump up Nimmo's value. Brilliant if that's the case IMO. If the Mets squashed the deal over mone it's because they didnt believe Harrison represented enough value IMO, not because they couldnt afford his contract. The truth is, Harrison just isnt that good.
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If Mets are truly in the market for a 2b, why did they pick up Cabreras option? That money could have offset whatever they have to pay Kipnis or whoever
The fact that they picked up the option, tells me they are not serious about fixing the position
My prediction is that Neil
walker will be back.
Isn't Cabrera moving to 3B?
The Mets are looking at 3B and 2B. The assumption is Cabrera plays the position opposite of who they acquire.
Again - Harrison doesn't matter to me, but it tells me that we still have legitimate money problems and I'm really, REALLY tired of it.
Im not arguing that. I just dont believe they cant afford Harrison's contract.
On the optimistic side Gonzalez seems to be saying all the right things and its not entirely impossible that if hes healthy he has a bounce back year. For $500k its a decent lotto ticket. What it says about Smith is harder to judge and their developmental track record harder to trust.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
I like Swarzak and Bruce but if that's it, Ill be disappointed.
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But again, we dont know if it was squashed on percieved value or not. Example. Mets could have been giving up a decent prospect or two on the assumption that Cleveland eats a little of the salary. Cleveland says nope... pay the whole thing... and the media says it was squashed over money. We dont know what's really going on behind closed doors. If the Mets signed Brue and are still looking for more the 10 million thing was bogus.
With Reed, I think the Mets were looking to add one backend option and then figured they had other needs. Swarzak was the guy. Reed value or not they had other holes. Also, just listen to Sandy. He's flat out saying he wants to leave a flexibility in the pen. We added what 7 relievers to the 40 man since the deadline? I think we've done a lot to address the pen actually.
Im fine with the A Gone move. I'll even go so far as saying I like it. Smith barely played much in AAA. May the best man win in ST. If Smith goes back to AAA for a couple months and has to force the Mets hands later so be it. If he cant or Gonzlaez is playing so well that he wont give it up? Well, that works for me too. Win win unless they both suck in which case we are right back to where we would have been without A Gone.
114 games at AAA, 500 PA's, 3rd on his team, 10 less than Phil Evans.
Ok.. so barely was a stretch without looking but less than a full season in AAA and he's 22. Will a couple more months of AAA kill Smith? Especially, considering his power is still developing and he may have sold out and lost part of what made his approach successful in the minors?
I dont know. Im just not sold Smith is a major league first baseman yet. There are aspects of what he's doing I like but he just looks like he's still developing (offensively and defensively) and if that's the case I dont mind him getting a little more work in AAA. If he's raking in the spring and A Gone looks washed up then Ill be all about Smith making the roster and us cutting Gonzalez as soon as possible but I dont see how a little competition hurts. And if Smith is still lost it might actually be a nice little fill in to buy some more time for him.
That's exactly what he's doing with the 2B/3B market right now and everyone is pissed for the opposite reason.
I dont hate the guys they did acquire and regardless the SP health is what will ultimately determine the success of the season - just disappointed that they could have turned the BP and defense up the middle into real strengths and they didnt. Both would have greatly assisted the starters. There are still some guys out there who could help but to this point they are treading water at best unless Gonzalez goes back to what he was in 15/16 and plays good D. That would change the lineup.