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Here is a thought....assuming NO trade down

Sy'56 : 1/18/2018 2:53 pm
I do not like projecting trades...if you want to look at odds...they are overwhelmingly tipped towards NYG not trading the #2 pick.

So assuming that NYG stays put and they do not like the concerns surrounding the QBs (everyone has to admit that is at least a possibility right now)...this team goes in to the draft needing to build around Eli Manning one more time for 2018, possibly 2019.

Whether you have this unproven theory that running backs should not be taken this high or not, assume Saquon Barkley may be the strongest option available. I don't see any other players meeting the elite grade mark, and passing on a talent like him would be borderline foolish. I will say the evaluation process still has a little ways to go, so someone like a Bradley Chubb or a Connor Williams or a Minkah Fitzpatrick could warrant the #2 spot, but I am leaning towards that not happening.

So Barkley to NYG at #2...does this require them to take OL at the top of the 2nd round? Drafting solely based on need is never a good idea, kind of like going to the grocery store when you are hungry. What if, say a LB like Roquan Smith is there, do you pass on him for a guard? Or a tackle that may not be able to win the left tackle job?

That, just as much as what to do with the #2 pick, is as tough as it gets. All of this can be solved Gettleman gets really aggressive with the OL via free agency, but shelling out big dollars for the guys in this class would worry me just as much as relying on day 1/2 rookies. One thing is for certain, this team cannot go in to 2018 with what they left 2017 with along the OL.
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RE: Contrary to many here,  
mattyblue : 1/18/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13795766 DonQuixote said:
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I like the top QBs a lot and think this will go down as a great QB draft. I'd be thrilled with Rosen, Allen or Darnold in no particular order. We are so fortunate to have sucked THIS year, if you had to choose.


I agree. There is a lot talent at the QB position. Potentially 6 QBs could go RD 1. What’s the record for first rd QBs taken?
No matter what we do...  
ryanmkeane : 1/18/2018 5:08 pm : link
can we end this notion that any RB has to have an amazing OL to succeed? Look at Elliott this season. They had a bunch of injuries on OL and he was on pace to lead the league in rushing yet again before his suspension. If Barkley has at the very least - an average OL - he'll still be great.
Haven’t read  
darren in pdx : 1/18/2018 5:08 pm : link
Through the entire thread but adding a good LB to the defense is something that needs to be done as well as improving the OL.
RE: No matter what we do...  
njm : 1/18/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13795782 ryanmkeane said:
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can we end this notion that any RB has to have an amazing OL to succeed? Look at Elliott this season. They had a bunch of injuries on OL and he was on pace to lead the league in rushing yet again before his suspension. If Barkley has at the very least - an average OL - he'll still be great.


And that line was STILL better than the Giants OL.
Barkley  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/18/2018 5:25 pm : link
Or trade down, maybe twice. Wind up with 5-6 picks in round 1 & 2
Considering where Eli is in his career, not picking a QB at #2  
Jimmy Googs : 1/18/2018 5:40 pm : link
would be gross negligence.

Not coming out of the Draft and/or Free Agency with 2 new Tackles would be very close to gross negligence.

Not infusing some talent to the Linebacker unit would be regular negligence...

If Barkley is BPA  
Samiam : 1/18/2018 5:51 pm : link
Then this draft is not that great. It may be deep but not at the to end. I have news for you. If Ezekial Elliot ran behind the Giants OL against Rutgers and Rutgers was allowed to play with 12 defenders, they couldn’t stop him. Rutgers stopped Barkley. Enough said
Sy:  
adamg : 1/18/2018 5:54 pm : link
Is there a good chance that Flowers may be moved to RG? It seems like a lot of people are expecting he'll either be at LT or RT, but is the best move bringing back Pugh, bringing in Norwell and Solder, and moving Flowers inside?
what happens if a pk is rated higher  
micky : 1/18/2018 5:58 pm : link
do you take him?


jeez this draft is good at rb...and rb's are position of dime or dozen.

take best qb..teams that ignore the position flounder for years trying to get a franchise qb..I'm sure 1 of these qbs will turn out to be a franchise one. homework. and to build around a 37 yr qb, is plain stupid imo
RE: Considering where Eli is in his career, not picking a QB at #2  
mattyblue : 1/18/2018 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13795809 Jimmy Googs said:
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would be gross negligence.

Not coming out of the Draft and/or Free Agency with 2 new Tackles would be very close to gross negligence.

Not infusing some talent to the Linebacker unit would be regular negligence...


I feel the same way. Grab a QB and you have Webb and the draftee and hope one or both pans out. If both look good you can trade one.
My opinion is that they chooose a QB or not at #2,  
Bill L : 1/18/2018 6:16 pm : link
Depending not on how they feel about Eli, but on how they feel about Webb.

Which means that they should probably take a QB at #2.

With Eli and a good scheme, health, OL, RB, yadda, yadda, they don’t sniff the top of the draft for another two years. And then, it’s too late.
And Webb could be decent  
Bill L : 1/18/2018 6:19 pm : link
But he will never compare to a top of the draft QB. Book it. This draft sets the future, not next year.
It's really this easy  
paesan98 : 1/18/2018 6:35 pm : link
You don't like the QBs and took Barkley because you felt he was the best player available. In round 2 (and three, for that matter), YOU TAKE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. Once round 4 comes around, you can begin to factor in needs, but still need to take guys near the top of your board.
All I can say is thank you, thank you, thank you....  
GFAN52 : 1/18/2018 6:36 pm : link
COLTS! Otherwise we be sitting at 3 at the mercy of the Colts decision as to what they do with that pick.
We Get It Sy...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/18/2018 6:37 pm : link
You see flaws in all the QBs and thus rate them a little lower and you see Barkley as an elite player who should therefore be drafted before them. But the career of a good QB is typically twice as long as a great RB.

Giants need a franchise QB and they may not be in this draft position again anytime soon.

Darnold and Rosen are franchise QBs well worth the #2 pick in the draft. The team that picks them is potentially set at the most important position on the field for the next 10-15 years. The team that picks Barkley can't say that.
If we draft Barkley at #2...  
bw in dc : 1/18/2018 6:58 pm : link
it’s a throw the remote numerous times moment.

It’s a dereliction of duty so egregious that DG should be fired on the spot. If Manning is 27, then fine. But Manning is 37 and deep on the back nine of his career. And there are 3 QB prospects that could easily spell another 10+ years of competitive play. If you think playing QB is easy to play now, compared to when QBs were treated with disdain like the other 21 players on the field, wait until 3+ years from now when the QB is wearing a belt around his waste with flags attached to it...
Barkley. Odell. Engram  
Earl the goat : 1/18/2018 7:21 pm : link
Gives the Giants a very exciting offense

Can Gettleman get a Andrew Norwell in FA to play guard and an offensive lineman in Rd 2 then the offense will roll with the proper coach and OC
Eli mentors Webb for another year

Now we just need a pass rush and some LBs
Met a lot of NFL scouts  
kelsto811 : 1/18/2018 7:25 pm : link
At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?
Googs  
fkap : 1/18/2018 7:36 pm : link
You don’t draft a QB because Eli is old and w e pick 2. You pick a QB because one is worth picking. The point of the thread is that there may not be a QB worth taking at # 2 . Never pick one just because we might need one
RE: Met a lot of NFL scouts  
Diver_Down : 1/18/2018 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13795926 kelsto811 said:
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?


No. He'll go in the Top 10.
Easy pass  
WillVAB : 1/18/2018 7:59 pm : link
There are 5-6 RBs just as good as Barkley, many projecting 1-2 rounds later.

If you’re looking for an alternative approach to the draft, load up on value defensive talent. Hope to hit on OL in FA/late in the draft.

1. Chubb DE
2. Jefferson LB

And go from there.
RE: Easy pass  
GFAN52 : 1/18/2018 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13795962 WillVAB said:
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There are 5-6 RBs just as good as Barkley, many projecting 1-2 rounds later.

If you’re looking for an alternative approach to the draft, load up on value defensive talent. Hope to hit on OL in FA/late in the draft.

1. Chubb DE
2. Jefferson LB

And go from there.


Hoping to hit on on OL late in the draft is the Jerry Reese approach to improve the OL which didn't work.
RE: Easy pass  
ryanmkeane : 1/18/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13795962 WillVAB said:
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There are 5-6 RBs just as good as Barkley
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No.
RE: Sy:  
Sy'56 : 1/18/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13795827 adamg said:
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Is there a good chance that Flowers may be moved to RG? It seems like a lot of people are expecting he'll either be at LT or RT, but is the best move bringing back Pugh, bringing in Norwell and Solder, and moving Flowers inside?


At this point, I think anything is possible with Flowers. LT, RT, RG, benched.
RE: Met a lot of NFL scouts  
Sy'56 : 1/18/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13795926 kelsto811 said:
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?


I don't think so. He is a top 20 lock in my eyes.
There are several RBs in this draft that are good  
Sy'56 : 1/18/2018 8:22 pm : link
Barkley is better than all of them in every single facet. I don't think there is any back that is better at any aspect of the game than Barkley. He is built to take the beating, too. I think he is a 10+ year star.
RE: RE: Met a lot of NFL scouts  
GFAN52 : 1/18/2018 8:23 pm : link
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?



I don't think so. He is a top 20 lock in my eyes.


Picking a G at #2 would be unheard of.
RE: RE: Easy pass  
WillVAB : 1/18/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13795966 GFAN52 said:
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There are 5-6 RBs just as good as Barkley, many projecting 1-2 rounds later.

If you’re looking for an alternative approach to the draft, load up on value defensive talent. Hope to hit on OL in FA/late in the draft.

1. Chubb DE
2. Jefferson LB

And go from there.



Hoping to hit on on OL late in the draft is the Jerry Reese approach to improve the OL which didn't work.


I agree. But the OP is suggesting an alternative approach to the draft with no trade downs. In that scenario, the logical decision would be to build around the talent we have on defense and be a kick ass defensive squad next year. Chubb and Jefferson would be nice value picks at the Giants slot.
RE: RE: Easy pass  
bw in dc : 1/18/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13795973 ryanmkeane said:
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There are 5-6 RBs just as good as Barkley
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No.


He's more right than wrong. Kerryon Johnson has the goods. Had he not been hurt for the Georgia game in the SEC championship game, a great case could have been made that he was the Heisman winner...great prospect.

Sonny Michel is just as talented as Barkley. What can't he do?

You can be suspicious of his competition, but Penny's production has been nothing short of spectacular.

I think Guice is has skills that just weren't exposed at LSU because the QB play was so incompetent. I think he could be a terrific receiver and flourish with quality NFL QB...

I'm actually a big fan of the Hines kid for NC State. Every game I saw he was doing something good. Low tread on his tire as he had few touches his frosh and soph years. Could be a real find...
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Sarcastic Sam : 1/18/2018 8:36 pm : link
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?



I don't think so. He is a top 20 lock in my eyes.



Picking a G at #2 would be unheard of.


Assuming Gettleman sticks to his Philosophy  
Red Right Hand : 1/18/2018 8:38 pm : link
of run the Ball stop the run, and rush the passer, with the qualifier Offense scores points, as he said it's their job, then one might expect he would proceed in order, in a linear fashion, and start with running thee ball. if that's indeed the priority, ans considering the team may be in transition for a couple of years at least, and an unsettled and changing situation at QB, then Barkley makes total sense, followed by some OL moves to ensure they can in fact "run the ball". With the QB position unsettled, it's possible a running game may become an offensive mainstay for the next few years.

Drafting a QB at #2 may not be ideal, especially if they don't like the warts on the prospects out there, and considering a new QB needs an Oline in front of him, which they don't have, and needs to be built, putting a new QB out behind a mess of a line may just get him killed or ruin him. It would be kind of hysterical to find out a new QB is even less able to run an offense than Manning is in his current state, and instead finds himself running for his life as opposed to running the offense. Kinda like finding out that although we thought Coughlin was over the hill and new blood would be the cure for what ails us, instead it was the steady hand of experience that was what really kept everything together, as opposed to being the problem.
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GFAN52 : 1/18/2018 8:39 pm : link
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?



I don't think so. He is a top 20 lock in my eyes.



Picking a G at #2 would be unheard of.





He was picked as a tackle but failed at that position, so they were forced to move him inside.
RE: This roster is not ready to force a top 2 pick.  
Red Right Hand : 1/18/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13795566 BigBlueHens said:
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They forced it with Pugh, Flowers, and Apple. If you don't fall in love with a QB, then don't take him. If they fall in love with a guy and think he can provide for the next 10 years, you take him. Taking Barkley, Chubb, Fitzpatrick and upgrading the depth on those positions is better than forcing an offensive tackle, IMO.

Gettleman will pick up some offensive line pieces in FA, and I'm sure he will take a strong look at the lineman in the second. But if Smith is there in the 2nd and he is higher on your board then the lineman, pull the plug on Smith. He seems like a talented backer, something we haven't had since Antonio Pierce.

This roster can use talent at every position. Take the talent when you get offered it.
I concur. BPA is the way to go. They are far more than a QB away from seriously competing.
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kelsto811 : 1/18/2018 9:59 pm : link
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?



I don't think so. He is a top 20 lock in my eyes.



Picking a G at #2 would be unheard of.







He was picked as a tackle but failed at that position, so they were forced to move him inside.


Obviously I'm not advocating taking him at 2 which is why mentioned 2nd round.

Funny Gallery is mentioned though bc he came up in that conversation. We had a bit of a debate on whether he was a "bust" or not. To me he clearly was but some good points brought up that he was drafted out of position and was a good guard. Wasn't and should have never been a LT.
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GFAN52 : 1/18/2018 10:09 pm : link
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At CGS event. Picked some brains at the end of the nights at the bar. Lots of raving about Notre Dame OL Nelson. Apparently he's a no brainer All Star type at the next level. Any possible way he gets to 2nd round?



I don't think so. He is a top 20 lock in my eyes.



Picking a G at #2 would be unheard of.







He was picked as a tackle but failed at that position, so they were forced to move him inside.



Obviously I'm not advocating taking him at 2 which is why mentioned 2nd round.

Funny Gallery is mentioned though bc he came up in that conversation. We had a bit of a debate on whether he was a "bust" or not. To me he clearly was but some good points brought up that he was drafted out of position and was a good guard. Wasn't and should have never been a LT.


I'm with you on going OL in the second. BPA at either OT or OG.
RE: RB that high from a cap perspective scares the crap out of me....  
blueblood : 1/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13795671 Giantfan in skinland said:
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Fournette and Elliot are currently #1 and #2 in terms of total guaranteed money at RB. Their per year costs were both top 10 in the league from day one. Whereas guys like Kareem Hunt, David Johnson, Alvin Kamara, Jay Ajayi, Mark Ingram, Dalvin Cook, Dion Lewis....all making pennies on the dollar relatively speaking. It just feels like a HUGE waste of resources to me. Not that Barkley isn't the best RB, but just that the cost of getting that RB compared to his peers will not justify the difference. RB contracts - ( New Window )


I have had this exact thought multiple times this past two weeks, and I like Barkley as a player. at the #2 pick overall he immediately becomes one of the highest paid RB's in the league.

This is why high draft picks tend to go toward QB, DE, WR, and Shutdown CB types because the value per dollar on the rookie contract is outstanding compared to the second contract especially if you are talking a top notch NFL player.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/18/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13795938 fkap said:
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You don’t draft a QB because Eli is old and w e pick 2. You pick a QB because one is worth picking. The point of the thread is that there may not be a QB worth taking at # 2 . Never pick one just because we might need one


Don't take the easy way out with this post. Of course if there is garbage at QB in this draft you don't take one. But you know that is not the case nor can anyone be 100% sure.

You pick a QB this year at #2. Otherwise, you gotta sell that spot.

Come on...
Sy'56 Question...  
est1986 : 1/18/2018 10:34 pm : link
Say we do grab Barkley... a shiny new toy for Shurmur to play with... along side the best WR in the game in Odell... along side one of the best slot receivers in the game in Shepard... along side one of the best receiving TE's in Engram... I mean, is there a point where if you lack talent significantly at the OL spot, like we do, does it become pointless to draft all these skills players so high? Not arguing against taking a RB that high, but taking one that high when the only OL we have as of right now are Ereck Flowers, John Jerry, Chad Wheeler and Adam Bisnowaty. I would love it if we landed Barkley and I think you would too but what in the hell do you think we should do with the OL? I mean, what is even possible/realistic? How do we expect to improve the OL while not going OL at #2 or #34? I don't see it. I think we are going to field a OL group that consist of mostly the same guys we had last year...
I don’t like the term “build around Eli”  
Sean : 1/18/2018 10:39 pm : link
That is flawed logic and what has gotten them into this mess with band aid solutions. The idea is to accumulate as much talent as possible. Draft the BPA at every round without any care of position. Use FA to address needs where it makes sense financially. Don’t force the QB pick and don’t ‘load up for a SB run’. Just bring in talent. If it means Eli sticks around, that is fine, but there is no timeframe which is pressuring decisions.
Taking Barkley @ 2  
Peppers : 1/18/2018 11:28 pm : link
Would not be maximizing our return on this draft.

First, there's a much better success rate hitting on RBs in the middle to later rounds than any other position. Thats where teams like us, with holes all over the roster, take RBs.

Its also a very bad way to allocate our cap dollars. He'd immediately be the 4th highest paid RB in the league. Now if its a QB, he's not even in the top 20 highest paid. Big difference which allows for a lot of flexibility with the rest of the roster.

And its nothing like Gurley. He was selected 10th overall not 2nd. Thats a big difference in pay and secondly, after Winston and Mariota there wasn't a QB selected until the 3rd round. I'm sure the Rams are happy they got him but if they were picking 2nd overall in 2015 and being a QB needy team they would've been the team selecting Mariota. Instead the very following year the Rams had to give up nearly 2 drafts to move up to get Goff.

I understand the allure of getting a RB like Barkley especially today where most fans are more concerned with their fantasy rosters but selecting a RB with the #2 pick in the draft, thats a luxury pick. Look at this roster, do we have the luxury?
Peppers  
Marty866b : 1/18/2018 11:31 pm : link
That is one great post. i agree with everything you said. We can't afford to take a runner at #2.
I still think  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/19/2018 12:10 am : link
That Webb is the next great Giants QB.

He is perfect for it physically and seems to have the mental side of being a pro perfected.

How ready he is to succeed is anyone's guess.
RE: Taking Barkley @ 2  
bw in dc : 1/19/2018 12:42 am : link
In comment 13796162 Peppers said:
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Would not be maximizing our return on this draft.

First, there's a much better success rate hitting on RBs in the middle to later rounds than any other position. Thats where teams like us, with holes all over the roster, take RBs.

Its also a very bad way to allocate our cap dollars. He'd immediately be the 4th highest paid RB in the league. Now if its a QB, he's not even in the top 20 highest paid. Big difference which allows for a lot of flexibility with the rest of the roster.

And its nothing like Gurley. He was selected 10th overall not 2nd. Thats a big difference in pay and secondly, after Winston and Mariota there wasn't a QB selected until the 3rd round. I'm sure the Rams are happy they got him but if they were picking 2nd overall in 2015 and being a QB needy team they would've been the team selecting Mariota. Instead the very following year the Rams had to give up nearly 2 drafts to move up to get Goff.

I understand the allure of getting a RB like Barkley especially today where most fans are more concerned with their fantasy rosters but selecting a RB with the #2 pick in the draft, thats a luxury pick. Look at this roster, do we have the luxury?


Very, very well said.

Barkely makes this offense better the minuite  
bronxgiant : 1/19/2018 9:32 am : link
he put the Giants cap on. Allows for extended drives because he is such a great receiver out of the backfield also. You will not be able to cover him with LBs because of this. Totally opens up the offense for everyone. Defense gets to sit on the bench and rest up and be fresher in the last two quarters. Giants backs averages running the ball was not bad but we just could not put drives together. Glad the bonehead play calling is over. Safeties now cannot cheat up and get away with it. Wouldn't need superstar QB to get ball to ODB, Barley, Shep. and Engram.
If you take Barkley  
Bluesbreaker : 1/19/2018 10:20 am : link
I would think about a Center if you don't get one in FA
Jones is a backup IMO
I would go LB in the 2nd
IMO the Giants organization needs to stop worrying about hurting Eli's  
Jersey55 : 1/19/2018 4:43 pm : link
feelings and just do whats in the best interest of the team, Eli has hundreds of millions of dollars to help ease his hurt pride...
Many are overthinking this - take the best player or trade offer  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2018 4:52 pm : link
and then continue to do that with the next pick, and so on.

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“The whole purpose of free agency is to set up your draft. You never go into a draft saying ‘I gotta have a,’ whatever that ‘a’ is. You don’t want to be in that spot because now you’re shopping hungry,” Gettleman said during a Tuesday appearance on WFAN.

“We’ll use free agency. There’s always the trade route, there’s always the waiver wire. You’ve gotta do your film work. It’s not pretty, it’s not easy but you’ve gotta get it done.”


The glaring holes (notably the OL, probably LB and RB) will be addressed before the draft. They likely won't be finished products, but those positions will be better than they are now. The #2 pick will be whoever Gettleman has at the top of the board. That may be a QB or Barkley or Chubb or someone else.
I get that history is replete  
santacruzom : 1/19/2018 7:15 pm : link
with examples of later-round RB's excelling and actually outperforming much higher-picked RB's. But I imagine that history also has plenty examples of highly-picked RB's dramatically out-peforming mid-to-late picks, or even other RB's chosen close to them in the first round.

Same as any position, really.

At some point you just have to hope that the guys who get paid handsomely to assess a prospect's NFL talent level nail this one. If they determine Barkley is worthy of a top-5 choice and are proven right, fine by me.
RE: Taking Barkley @ 2  
aimrocky : 1/20/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 13796162 Peppers said:
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Would not be maximizing our return on this draft.

First, there's a much better success rate hitting on RBs in the middle to later rounds than any other position. Thats where teams like us, with holes all over the roster, take RBs.

Its also a very bad way to allocate our cap dollars. He'd immediately be the 4th highest paid RB in the league. Now if its a QB, he's not even in the top 20 highest paid. Big difference which allows for a lot of flexibility with the rest of the roster.

And its nothing like Gurley. He was selected 10th overall not 2nd. Thats a big difference in pay and secondly, after Winston and Mariota there wasn't a QB selected until the 3rd round. I'm sure the Rams are happy they got him but if they were picking 2nd overall in 2015 and being a QB needy team they would've been the team selecting Mariota. Instead the very following year the Rams had to give up nearly 2 drafts to move up to get Goff.

I understand the allure of getting a RB like Barkley especially today where most fans are more concerned with their fantasy rosters but selecting a RB with the #2 pick in the draft, thats a luxury pick. Look at this roster, do we have the luxury?


Fantastic assessment.
Give me Barkley  
Bluesbreaker : 1/26/2018 4:43 pm : link
By draft day
njm : 1/18/2018 5:00 pm : link : reply
1. We will know if an OL was signed as a FA and who has left.

2. Shurmur will have spent some time with Webb and will have at least gauged his arm strength.

If there is no FA OL signed and Pugh is lost the Giants' hand is forced. They have to take one in the 1st or 2nd, maybe both. What good is Barkley if he is gets so beat up in his rookie year his potential is permanently diminished? Who do I taken then? Quinten Nelson, even at #2.

As far as the need for a QB goes if there have been some signings I'll rely on Shurmur's and Gettleman's judgement. If they don't go QB Fitzpatrick and Collins would be the best safety tandem in the league. Chubb would give juice to the pass rush.

I love Chub as well but Gallman survived ok as did the injury prone Darkwa ..
Barkley is a tough shifty is putting it lightly that would have taken many a run to the house this past season the guy has amazing vision a HR hitter ad WR and RB ..
Fix the line get a few LB take some of the heat off Collins .If Smith LB is there in the 2nd jump on him !
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