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NFT: Buffalo @ NY Rangers 7:30pm NBCSN

MetsAreBack : 1/18/2018 4:25 pm
Look to keep (brief) momentum going tonight coming off an unexpectedly impressive blow-out win. Tuesday was NYR's first regulation win since 12/19... and tonight we get a somehow 11-24-9 Buffalo Sabres squad, that on paper at least has the talent to have contended for a playoff position this year.

Cant take this team lightly, they played us very tough in the WC - granted that was our one trip to Buffalo (er Citifield) this season. Given we head off on a tough four game West coast trip after this one to close out the pre-all star break schedule, this is an important two points.

Home game 28 against just 18 road games - bizarre scheduling this year for sure.

Staal is out with a hip flexor... which isnt a bad thing... except next man up is Kampfer. I'm guessing Purple Hayes is out again too with one hell of a leg bruise (Candy Ass). My guess is Deangelo has played his last game as a blue shirt, though on this one i cant get on AV -- it just seems to have been a bad reach by Gorton (he's -12 in Hartford... granted Hartford's team really sucks).

#LGR
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PJ  
baadbill : 1/19/2018 12:28 pm : link
I’d be heartbroken if the Rangers traded Chytil before I get a chance to watch him develop. I’m so tired of all the draft picks the Rangers threw away over the past 10+ years. I’ve always loved watching draft pick callups and I’m saddened that so many picks were just thrown away for short term “pie in the sky” dreams.

Yea, I’d love a Cup. But I watch 80 regular season games year after year ... and those games are what bring me the real joy, day in and day out. Dave and Don Maloney. Greschner. Dugay. Murdoch. Kreids and Miller. Watching kids break in and make a difference - to sudd3nly impact the way the team is playing... it's just so much fun to watch
Apparently Shattenkirk  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 1:00 pm : link
has been playing through this all season. Makes it even more odd that AV chose to call him out for his play a few weeks back.

Hopefully Deangelo actually gets some extended playing time now.
How long an injury is that?  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 1:02 pm : link
Game over if it's a month+.

Not our year health wise .. wow...
Baadbill  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 1:04 pm : link
Rangers aren't trading Chytil or Andersson. No way. JG hasn't shown a near sightedness at all (though the Staal trade was dumb)
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13796911 baadbill said:
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I’d be heartbroken if the Rangers traded Chytil before I get a chance to watch him develop. I’m so tired of all the draft picks the Rangers threw away over the past 10+ years. I’ve always loved watching draft pick callups and I’m saddened that so many picks were just thrown away for short term “pie in the sky” dreams.

Yea, I’d love a Cup. But I watch 80 regular season games year after year ... and those games are what bring me the real joy, day in and day out. Dave and Don Maloney. Greschner. Dugay. Murdoch. Kreids and Miller. Watching kids break in and make a difference - to sudd3nly impact the way the team is playing... it's just so much fun to watch


I used to go to New Haven Nighthawks games when they were a Rangers farm team, my father was a diehard Rangers fan, and he'd drag me to West Haven Yankees games too when they were the AA team for the Yankees, since he was a diehard Yankees fan, so I get it.

So generally I agree with you, but prospects are prospects and have risk, so many failed 1st round NHL picks, and obviously there are no guarantees with veterans, but I'd trade prospects for a chance at a cup.

the thing is the chance for the cup needs to be real and not remote or desperate, which is where the dilemma comes in.

I like Chytil, but Pacioretty is 29 years old, and one of the best goal scorers in the NHL the past 5 years. He's under contract next year and could easily take the place of Nash for less money if the Rangers let Nash go after the season.

Pacioretty is just an example, but I wouldn't hesitate even a little to trade Chytil for Pacioretty IF and big IF the Rangers felt they could win.

if they don't feel that way then it's a non-starter, but IMO Pacioretty is a star. and he's got a better chance of success in NY than Chytil does.


He said he'll be back this season  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 1:06 pm : link
That's why they're doing it now. Just couldn't keep playing through it. But what will the team's standing look like by the time he's ready?

I'd like to see them take this opportunity ride Skeji a bit more. He's had a solid season but he's still being sheltered. Extend his ice time, give him some tough matchups. He may rise to the occasion and it'd also give the team a glimpse into what he could do in McDonagh's role if/when he departs.
Pacioretty does not move the needle for this group  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 1:09 pm : link
They need to improve on the back end and they need a new coach. And considering how thin they are at center, Chytil and Andersson should be near untouchable.

You can have Jimmy Vesey
As bad as the Canadiens are Vesey  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 1:12 pm : link
doesn't crack their lineup.

they too are weak up the middle and on the blue line.

Good wings though and young. especially LW.

I also think people underrate Pacioretty  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 1:15 pm : link
he give you top line minutes against top line opponents and can play all specials, though you wouldn't know it, but PP is not a strength, though he can do it.

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Over the past five seasons, including this one, Pacioretty has scored the eighth-most goals in the entire NHL with 153, and the fourth-most at even strength with 110. If you remove this season from the equation, Pacioretty jumps to the fourth-most goals overall, behind only Alex Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, and Joe Pavelski. At even strength, only Vladimir Tarasenko scored more than Pacioretty’s 102 goals from 2013 to 2017, with 103.

For those who argue Pacioretty piles up unimportant goals, it’s true that he leads the league in empty netters the past five years with 13, tied with Blake Wheeler and Michael Grabner. But that still leaves 140 more goals and 37 of them were game-winners (second-most in the NHL), 31 were the first goal of the game (tied for fourth-most), and eight were overtime goals (tied for third-most). When playing in all situations and having the goal scoring ability Pacioretty does, you’ll end up with some empty netters along the way.

When I ranked the top-23 players in the NHL at each position coming into this season, Pacioretty came in fifth among all left wingers...
Apparently Bergevin  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 2:07 pm : link
has been the most active GM in the league (per Friedman) in plan for his "reset", two untouchables on the roster. Price and Mete.

I expect a lot of activity in the next 5 weeks to the deadline.
PJ  
baadbill : 1/19/2018 3:01 pm : link
To clarify my earlier post, I didn't mean to insinuate Pacioretty was similar in any way to the short term “pie in the sky” moves I referenced in my post. I understand his age and longevity.

My point is that I love watching a draft pick make his debut and then develop over a period of years - and my desire in that regard has increased as a result of the trade deadline moves over the last decade - so I'm less inclined to want to see any move (for anybody) that involves trading away first round picks (recently drafted players or future picks).
Colorado looks big ... and fast  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 3:21 pm : link
... good pace
Lol  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 3:22 pm : link
No grabner today either and Hayes is still out with a fucking bruise. They need him badly but he's two weeks and counting out now with a bruise
yea, this road trip could be tough  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 3:23 pm : link
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COL has won 8 in a row  
NYerInMA : 1/20/2018 3:24 pm : link
tough sledding.
Well we're rolling at least one AHL line today  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 3:44 pm : link
And a third pair D ahl line too against a hot team

On top of that I counted at least 5 plays where a pass was made and the AHL'er wasn't there on miscommunication. These guys haven't even practiced together.

doubt I'm watching all 3 periods - it's got to be very disconcerting to guys like shattenkirk and McDonough who have played through real injuries this year to see Hayes continue to rest up his bruise.
They had to score there ... couldn't go down 3  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 4:10 pm : link
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One reason  
Bones : 1/20/2018 4:45 pm : link
DeAngelo may have been called up is his familiarity with the western conference, and apparently he is playing better as of late.
Didn't Nash miss like a month  
Kyle in NY : 1/20/2018 5:21 pm : link
with a bone bruise a year or two ago? I'm sure if Hayes could play he would. Silly to judge injuries from behind the computer
Kept it a game ... but just didn't have enough firepower  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 5:35 pm : link
Hate to start road trip with a L
They kept it closer than I expected them too  
NYerInMA : 1/20/2018 5:36 pm : link
But close only counts in horseshoes and nuclear weapons.
They played hard  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 5:48 pm : link
Just not nearly talented right now and will be short handed for a long time to come
They got absolutely dominated  
Kyle in NY : 1/20/2018 5:53 pm : link
And Hank kept it close, again. Not a single player had a positive shot attempt total. I'd blame injuries but it's not much different than how it lookedwhen they were more healthy

But please, keep Nick Holden on the top pair and Steve fucking Kampfer in the NHL. It's working great
They suck the big white mint  
B in ALB : 1/20/2018 5:55 pm : link
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Nathan MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2018 6:05 pm : link
became the best player in the league once they traded Duchene.

not sure if coincidence or not, but he's on fire.

Maybe my expectations are low  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 6:12 pm : link
They played a decent road game from my standpoint. Hit a post with 3 minutes left and buchnevich narrowly missed with 1 minute left.

Shots were 28-36 before the empty net.
Well that sucked ...  
baadbill : 1/22/2018 1:10 am : link
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Three straight PPG allowed  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 8:08 am : link
Don't usually see that. I thought they received a tough whistle. And Clifford should have had a major penalty for his hit on Smith.

But again, there just isn't much desperation when they're down a goal in the 3rd. 7 shots and one scoring chance generated in that period. Not good enough. Kings had lost 6 straight. If they were going to keep their heads above water, they probably had to get points in that one.
This team sucks right now.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/22/2018 10:32 am : link
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It's time to overhaul  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2018 10:36 am : link
I get that people's emotional attachment to Lundqvist makes it difficult for them to face that reality, but that's where we are.
Yup  
MetsAreBack : 1/22/2018 10:41 am : link
unfortunately, its just about time to sell.

Looking at the standings, even if Hank agreed to wave his NMC which i doubt he will - his family seems pretty grounded/immersed here ... what playoff team even needs him? Everyone seems to have a stud already. Calgary? St Louis? And STL already tried that hired gun thing with Ryan Miller a few years back and got burned badly.
Hank seems to have made some changes  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 10:54 am : link
that seem to have extended his prime. I think if they properly execute a sale and find a better coach they can be a good team again soon while Hank is still a top 10 goalie. There is a solid young core in place here and they have the opportunity to add to that.

It might hurt him for a year or two. But he must realize deep down that this can't keep continuing as is.

By the way, after last night we passed Arizona as the worst CF/60 team in the league. AV has completely failed.
We have Lundqvist for three more seasons.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/22/2018 11:01 am : link
Toronto might be a possibility, but the Rangers would probably have to eat and take up Andersen. I suspect they can AV and try to make another run with Lundqvist next year.
Which is more difficult on the body... the Kings playing in NYC  
baadbill : 1/22/2018 11:12 am : link
at 7 (4:00 Western) or the Rangers playing in LA at 10:30 Eastern? It has to be worse for an east coast team playing put west...

It hit me when they dropped the puck last night that the Rangers were starting a game in what felt like 10:30 at night to them... but they came out of the gates with good legs and had a really good 1st period... but they really didn't look good at all by the 3rd... I'm not raising this as any type of excuse - their play over the recent 10 games speaks for itself - but it has to be difficult on the body to play games that start at 10:30 at night and aren't over until after 1:00 AM.
I'd like to see them seriously shop McDonagh  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 11:12 am : link
I'm a big fan of his and recognize that the organization and coaching has failed him, never giving him a true first line partner. But I do think he's likely peaked and won't be worth his next contract.

If they can find a team interested that could send back a young player we can plug right into the lineup, that'd go a long way towards being a contender again quickly. A package similar to what we gave up for Yandle.

They should be all over Toronto. Maybe they can get Nylander
Shattenkirk would have been a fine partner for McDonagh.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/22/2018 11:13 am : link
AV just sucks.
Yup  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 11:18 am : link
coaching failed him most of all. This team should be better than this
Wow - that was one hell of a goal by Nash  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:27 pm : link
... what a freakin move that was!
And Miller proceeds to give away the puck stupidly  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:30 pm : link
So Zucc commits the penalty. Idiots.
Aaaaaaand  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:32 pm : link
The Rangers are losing again.
They're only 3 points out of last place  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:36 pm : link
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you just get the feeling that they're on the verge of a complete  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 10:37 pm : link
collapse
Nash's reach is just amazing ... combined with his ability to use  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:38 pm : link
his body to block ...
RE: you just get the feeling that they're on the verge of a complete  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13803735 Greg from LI said:
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collapse


Well I wouldn't be surprised if they go 0-4 on this road trip and that could lead to ... who knows
Baaahahahahaha  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:47 pm : link
They're a Fucking disgrace.
Pavelec's confidence can't be all that great and to then face  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:47 pm : link
a breakaway on his first shot ... and for him to get deked badly ... oh man, I hope he keeps his shit together... Rangers can ill afford his confidence to collapse completely
Miller must've hit the town last night  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:48 pm : link
He looks like stir fried shit.
Nash's  
Professor Falken : 1/23/2018 10:50 pm : link
trade value going up by the minute.
Hai  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 10:53 pm : link
Getting shittier by the day it seems  
NYerInMA : 1/24/2018 8:33 am : link
Glad I'm not staying up to watch that crap.
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