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MetsAreBack : 1/18/2018 4:25 pm
Look to keep (brief) momentum going tonight coming off an unexpectedly impressive blow-out win. Tuesday was NYR's first regulation win since 12/19... and tonight we get a somehow 11-24-9 Buffalo Sabres squad, that on paper at least has the talent to have contended for a playoff position this year.

Cant take this team lightly, they played us very tough in the WC - granted that was our one trip to Buffalo (er Citifield) this season. Given we head off on a tough four game West coast trip after this one to close out the pre-all star break schedule, this is an important two points.

Home game 28 against just 18 road games - bizarre scheduling this year for sure.

Staal is out with a hip flexor... which isnt a bad thing... except next man up is Kampfer. I'm guessing Purple Hayes is out again too with one hell of a leg bruise (Candy Ass). My guess is Deangelo has played his last game as a blue shirt, though on this one i cant get on AV -- it just seems to have been a bad reach by Gorton (he's -12 in Hartford... granted Hartford's team really sucks).

#LGR
I think  
Bones : 1/18/2018 5:09 pm : link
Philly giving us multiple break always had more with us winning than us playing great. With our upcoming schedule, this is pretty much a must win. I really do not see how we can compete down the stretch with our stable of centers, and our defense has been incredibly disappointing, yet some how we are in contention.
I'm close to actively rooting for losses  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2018 5:18 pm : link
The worst thing that can happen would be Gorton using a mini winning streak as an excuse to stay the course with AV or, worse, trade away more draft picks for band aids.
RE: I'm close to actively rooting for losses  
Kyle in NY : 1/18/2018 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13795795 Greg from LI said:
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The worst thing that can happen would be Gorton using a mini winning streak as an excuse to stay the course with AV or, worse, trade away more draft picks for band aids.


I can't do it as long as Hank is here and playing well, even if I recognize it's probably for the best.
I am intrigued by the idea  
Kyle in NY : 1/18/2018 6:39 pm : link
of a McDonagh trade though and what they could potentially get back with a year and a half left on his contract
Rangers are in a playoff spot  
pjcas18 : 1/18/2018 6:47 pm : link
right now, you all know once you get in a goalie and deep team means a lot. Look at the Senators last year or even the Predators.

If the Rangers sell they risk losing out on Hanks remaining few years of eliteness while their young talent develops, it's a legit rock vs hard place.

Hank turns 36 this year and older goalies have won cups (Hasek, Thomas to name a couple) it's risky to wait IMO.

I'll leave this link here.
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Nashty!  
MetsAreBack : 1/18/2018 7:46 pm : link
Finally on a hot streak.

I'm not too worried about Gorton trading a one or legit prospects - he hasn't shown that reckless behavior as GM and the Stepan trade was the opposite of short-sighted. And just a few days ago it was reported they were leaning to being sellers at the deadline. They know this team doesn't have a good enough shot to be buyers.

Now if we stay in wild card or 2nd/3rd Metro place for the next 5 weeks ... I won't cry about standing pat. If we suck definitely trade Nash and Grabner (and maybe someone will give us a third rounder for Holden)
By the way that 4th line bum / healthy scratch  
MetsAreBack : 1/18/2018 7:48 pm : link
Buchnevich with the primary helper on the Nash goal
Brendan Smith hasn't disappointed  
Kyle in NY : 1/18/2018 8:23 pm : link
Has no confidence with the puck it seems
JT Miller..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/18/2018 9:05 pm : link
is heating up. If they can get a few W's on the road, this team can both go out in the 1st round as well as make a deep Cup run.

We've seen great goaltending carry teams in the postseason, and Hank has been excellent lately.
Haha  
NYerInMA : 1/18/2018 9:10 pm : link
of course they give up a goal to the guy who hasn't scored in over 100 games.
Nasher, putting a couple good games together.  
Mad Mike : 1/18/2018 9:42 pm : link
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Nash is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/18/2018 9:42 pm : link
streaking too.

3-2 Blueshirts!
Nash 9 goals heading into Philly game ... then scores almost 50%  
baadbill : 1/18/2018 9:53 pm : link
of his season total in two games... crazy ... hope this is a prolonged streak cuz the Rangers sure could use the help
Lulz  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2018 9:59 pm : link
I'm starting to hate this group
Don't hate..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/18/2018 10:00 pm : link
the Buch!!!
Buch scores  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2018 10:00 pm : link
Quick, put him back on the fourth line now AV!
Up to 12  
Carl in CT : 1/18/2018 10:02 pm : link
On the year for Buch
Skjei saved their asses right there  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2018 10:06 pm : link
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And now Zuc takes a REALLY dumb penalty  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2018 10:08 pm : link
Jeez
Big win!  
baadbill : 1/18/2018 10:10 pm : link
... they needed this win
Nash's hot streaks  
MetsAreBack : 1/18/2018 10:16 pm : link
Are a lot of fun to watch. They used to be more frequent in his prime but he's still a beast when he gets on a roll.

Another terrific performance from Lundqvist - of course we didn't look particularly good in front of him against the worst team in the East, but we're without two top 6 forwards so is what it is. Two points.

You watch Buch yet again play like this and you just wonder how AV still has a job and can still look himself in the mirror?
RE: Nash's hot streaks  
NYerInMA : 1/18/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13796101 MetsAreBack said:
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Are a lot of fun to watch. They used to be more frequent in his prime but he's still a beast when he gets on a roll.

Another terrific performance from Lundqvist - of course we didn't look particularly good in front of him against the worst team in the East, but we're without two top 6 forwards so is what it is. Two points.

You watch Buch yet again play like this and you just wonder how AV still has a job and can still look himself in the mirror?


Because AV is an arrogant asshole who thinks his shit doesn't stink.
Buch playing like this  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 12:01 am : link
once he's back on a scoring line just reinforces that AV has to go.

Nice win, needed it
Nash was due for a correction  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 12:05 am : link
He was generating too many chances to not start scoring again. I like that he's using his shot more on the breaks instead of trying to deke. He has such a good release
This team is not good  
B in ALB : 1/19/2018 12:10 am : link
I'm afraid another mediocre year secures AV for at least another season.
You are probably right, B  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 8:35 am : link
but we'll find out a lot the next week on a very tough West coast road trip. Apparently Colorado has won 8 straight -- they sit at 25-16-3 and 17-7-1 at home... my guess is that makes them easily the most improved NHL team year-over-year... despite getting screwed in the draft last spring.

Would be great if Hayes' "bruise" would get better - two weeks now....
B..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2018 8:43 am : link
but I'd rather take my shot in what is a pretty mediocre lot of teams this year than blow things up with Hank's career winding down.

Guy has been playing stellar and at least we have the excitement of playoff hockey to look forward to if they just maintain.

Sucks that it might mean AV sticks around, but when the team is playing on all cylinders, they are good. Look at the way they pass the puck. Of course, we can say look at the way defenders give up the puck so easily, but still..
I just look at how much better Boston is  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 9:21 am : link
since they moved on from Julien (sorry PJ)... but they were also willing to sacrifice two years to reload a bit and unload/unwind some of the bad contracts.

So its tough - i want Hank to win so bad.. but this team probably does need a re-set. And even if we get there, genius coach would fuck it up - like playing Girardi on the top pair against Ottawa only to CUT the guy shortly thereafter, play MSL on the top PP unit and 2nd line against Washington/Tampa ... only for the guy to be unable to find employment in the league that offseason.... Richards buy-out shortly after giving him major minutes against LA... Glass over Buchnevich in the Ottawa series.... etc etc.

Key injuries have been brutal too -- I dont have a read if Kreider would be able to get back for the stretch run and postseason. If he can't, i dont care how well Hank is playing, this is not a tough playoff out.

I guess see how the West coast and February schedule goes. Grabner and Nash should be able to return 2 if not 3 (late) number 1s.
I have been saying forever  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 9:36 am : link
that Julien, AV, Therrien and a handful of other coaches stifle their teams.

They're not bad coaches. Julien has a cup (and been to another SCF), AV has been to two SCF, Therrien has been to conference finals, but they stifle offensive creativity and do not (IMO) get the most from their players b/c of how they stress defense first with their systems.

Look at Marchand since Julien left. He turned from Brendan Gallagher to Dino Ciccarelli over night.

I think the Rangers should be buyers though not sellers (unless they have a complete collapse and fall out of contention).

I think if they can get a top 4 D and a top 6 forward at the deadline they'll be cup favorites. I'm not saying it b/c I'm a Habs fan, but Pacioretty and Alzner (or other D) would be perfect. Even someone like Evander Kane and Marco Scandella would be enough.

Weather the storm while Kreider is out (I think Hayes is replaceable on roster) and make the acquisition above and they'll be the team no one wants to play in the playoffs.

need to keep Hank fresh too.



I think the Rangers biggest issue is AV.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 9:41 am : link
That's not going to change with the team in contention.
AV stresses defense first?  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2018 9:43 am : link
Coulda fooled me. Maybe he has a different definition of the word "defense" than the rest of us?
RE: AV stresses defense first?  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13796448 Greg from LI said:
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Coulda fooled me. Maybe he has a different definition of the word "defense" than the rest of us?


He does. Doesn't mean they always get results.

It's probably why Buchnevich gets yanked around so much. Coaches like him dick around with players like Buchnevich and Galchenyuk, etc. sometimes because they feel they don't grasp the defensive zone responsibilities completely as well as transition and they fear giving up a goal more than they value scoring one.

.....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 10:07 am : link
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“You have no choice,” agreed Dreger. “It’s a pipe dream, I agree with you. I’m still in the camp that believes that John Tavares and the New York Islanders are going to find that middle ground and he’ll stay and finish his career quite possibly with the New York Islanders. But in Tavares you have to be all-in if you’re the Montreal Canadiens. You’re so desperate up the middle of the ice.

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Buch is better in his defensive zone than Vesey, who AV likes.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 10:07 am : link
AV just sucks.
Canadiens have a lot of cap  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 10:14 am : link
tied up with Weber and Price, but they'll have room for Tavares.

But with the arena I now believe he's not going anywhere.

Plus the Islanders without Tavares are probably still better than MTL though their goalie and D need work.
Montreal isn't an attractive destination.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 10:18 am : link
I don't know what makes sense for Tavares. TOR probably won't have space with the young guys needing contracts and they need an elite defender more anyway. The Devils or Flyers make more sense.

I think it's hard to stay when they've only won a single playoff round since Tavares has been there - it's a total disaster given how good he is.
this...  
Torrag : 1/19/2018 10:19 am : link
Buch is better in his defensive zone than Vesey, who AV likes.
BrettNYG10
AV just sucks.
RE: Montreal isn't an attractive destination.  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 10:27 am : link
In comment 13796549 BrettNYG10 said:
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I don't know what makes sense for Tavares. TOR probably won't have space with the young guys needing contracts and they need an elite defender more anyway. The Devils or Flyers make more sense.

I think it's hard to stay when they've only won a single playoff round since Tavares has been there - it's a total disaster given how good he is.


What do you mean by not an attractive destination? Because they don't have a good core? Geographically? Financially due to fx?

So many players grow up dreaming of playing in MTL you are mistaken if you think it's not an attractive destination.

Ask Subban. He's still wondering why he's not playing there. Drouin says it's a dream come true. Though his play sure isn't acting like it.

And while he's not playing that way right now, they still have the best goalie on the planet, or if you say his game has slipped a little, he's at worst a top 5 goalie.

Looking at the standings  
Giants in 07 : 1/19/2018 10:31 am : link
There are 5 playoff spots coming out of the Metro unless a team in the Atlantic gets super hot down the stretch.

5 points separates the first wild card and dead last in the Metro, which is crazy to me as we approach the ASB. That last place team (Carolina) also has games in hand on mostly everyone else in the division.

In the Central, Chicago is in last place, yet only 10 points out of first place.

The WC in the west is even crazier than the East, with legitimately only 1 team seemingly out of it.

I don't remember the league ever being this close leaguewide this late in the season, and although I think the NHL will see this as a good thing, I can't help but disagree. They need to change the OT rules with regard to points (Should be soccer style - 3 points for a win, OT loss is 1 point)

Funny enough, here's the standings with the old playoff format:

1. TBL
2. WSH
3. BOS
4. NJ
5. CBJ
6. TOR
7. NYR
8. PIT

Which would result in the same exact playoff matchups we have now. I know there are complaints about the system every year and I agree with those, but I found this interesting.
Is Carey Price  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 10:33 am : link
the most overrated player in hockey?
Is Kreider expected to make it back this season at all?  
Torrag : 1/19/2018 10:34 am : link
?
RE: RE: Montreal isn't an attractive destination.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13796579 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13796549 BrettNYG10 said:


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I don't know what makes sense for Tavares. TOR probably won't have space with the young guys needing contracts and they need an elite defender more anyway. The Devils or Flyers make more sense.

I think it's hard to stay when they've only won a single playoff round since Tavares has been there - it's a total disaster given how good he is.



What do you mean by not an attractive destination? Because they don't have a good core? Geographically? Financially due to fx?

So many players grow up dreaming of playing in MTL you are mistaken if you think it's not an attractive destination.

Ask Subban. He's still wondering why he's not playing there. Drouin says it's a dream come true. Though his play sure isn't acting like it.

And while he's not playing that way right now, they still have the best goalie on the planet, or if you say his game has slipped a little, he's at worst a top 5 goalie.


For winning. Price has injury concerns and is 30. Weber is 32 and declining. I don't think he's leaving NYI to go to a place where making the playoffs will still be a struggle.
RE: Is Carey Price  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13796611 Kyle in NY said:
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the most overrated player in hockey?


Corey Perry.

but when good players don't play as well as they're expected to they deserve comments like this.

I'll take Carey over just about any goalie in the league.

You seem to know a little about hockey I'm surprised you take shots at a goalie with minor league defense in front of him. When your top pair is Jeff Petry and Karl Alzner you can only do so much.
Tavares is a top line center  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 10:45 am : link
he'd go a long way to turning a team around on his own.

I don't see him as the type to want to be a passenger, he seems more than willing to be a guy who wants to be "the man" and make his team better as opposed to going somewhere he can go along for the ride and cruise to the playoffs.

Granted Toronto might be more his dream than MTL, winning in MTL is not like winning anywhere else. You are deified, though they haven't won in so long maybe people forget.

Canadian players born now don't have the same fascination with the Canadiens as those players born in the 70's so it's probably losing some allure.

Your comment seems a little like saying Gretzky wouldn't go to the Kings since he's got a clear path to the playoffs in Edmonton. Obviously different circumstances, but I'd think Tavares would feel the same, and the Islanders to this point haven't given him the one thing he needs. a goalie.
It was mostly tongue in cheek  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 10:45 am : link
But there is maybe a tiny bit of truth to it. At his best, Price is the best in the league, a remarkable talent. But the truth is, he's been healthy and a top 5 goalie in maybe 4-5 seasons out of his 11 in the league. That contract starting next season would really worry me.

I do think your defense stinks, no arguments there. Seems like Weber has bounced back a bit though, by the numbers at least. But he's injured too now.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 10:51 am : link
Gretzky already won with the Oilers, though. I think priorities shift once you have Cups. Tavares is going to get paid, but maybe he chooses not to take a max somewhere and can take a wild card team and elevate them to a contender.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 10:53 am : link
Outside of Barzal and Eberle this year (and Vanek for part of a season), they've never given Tavares real first-line talent to play with. Maybe Okposo, but he hasn't done great away from Tavares - I was never a fan. They've totally failed him in every facet.
To say Bergevin is on the hot seat  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 10:54 am : link
is to put it mildly.

Losing Weber is the coup de grace, but they were bad before he was lost, though he was fantastic.

this past off-season the Canadiens lost Markov for no reason, Emelin, Bealieu (still not sure why), and traded Sergachev.

Only real add they made was Alzner who should be a 3rd pair/7th D. I'm not really exaggerating when I say I think I'd be better offensively than him. He has an awful shot, isn't a good skater, and isn't a good passer. He's sort of the epitome of a stay at home defenseman, but a mediocre one.

I do like Mete, but he's small. Good skater, good instincts, good vision, but he's 19 years old and small.

I do think the Canadiens blow it up this year.

I believe they'll trade Pacioretty who if you say Price is overrated, Patches might be the most underrated player in the league. He's the type of addition I think can turn a stagnant team into a favorite.

Look at the Stars or Blues to try and get him.

I think he'd be perfect for the Rangers, but he'd cost Chytil and I can see them being reluctant to trade him.

I also think Plekanec, Andrew Shaw, and possibly Galchenyuk could all move before the deadline (if Shaw gets healthy).

Hopefully the Canadiens are rewarded for their awfulness and get Dahlin in June or at worst Zadina.

Tavares to Las Vegas  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 11:04 am : link
makes sense to me. The Islanders stink right now (unless they're playing the Rangers) with Tavares. So what is the path forward to improving once they give Tavares $10MM a year? It becomes harder to rebuild the defense and goaltending at that point.

If he won't commit to an extension by the trade deadline, I think they need to move him. Can't risk losing him for nothing. Rebuild around Barzal, who might even end up being better.
DeAngelo recalled  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 11:06 am : link
for the NYR and Hayes skating at practice.

FYI...
Interesting  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 11:08 am : link
He hasn't exactly earned that call up with his play at Hartford, by all accounts. I really hope we didn't botch that trade.
Interesting too  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 11:10 am : link
is Lias Andersson moved to Hartford from Swedish Elite team.

He could be a near-term call up.

Looked good in world juniors, but he took a beating.
I guess Staal's injury is longer-term than AV thought  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 11:17 am : link
he's being brought up as insurance in case one of the starting 6 gets hurt on this trip - necessary to have him travel since Hartford isnt close to any of these western markets. As I mentioned in the OP, Deangelos' Hartford numbers are pretty bad - but they look Hedman'esque compared to Gropp and Gilmour. I guess they think he brings a little more at this point than Graves (who i'm disappointed to see hasnt developed more than this).

Good to hear that we may get Hayes back this weekend. We need him for at least one of the weekend games.
RE: Interesting  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13796722 Kyle in NY said:
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He hasn't exactly earned that call up with his play at Hartford, by all accounts. I really hope we didn't botch that trade.


I'm guessing the trade (both Stepan and Raanta) was 95% for Andersson... Deangelo even straight up for Raanta i can tell you already wasnt a good one.
Ouch  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 11:46 am : link
just read Shattenkirk has a torn meniscus and needs surgery.
That probably explains  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 11:48 am : link
DeAngelo call up more than Staal insurance (who is practicing).
Sell everything.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 11:55 am : link
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PJ  
baadbill : 1/19/2018 12:28 pm : link
I’d be heartbroken if the Rangers traded Chytil before I get a chance to watch him develop. I’m so tired of all the draft picks the Rangers threw away over the past 10+ years. I’ve always loved watching draft pick callups and I’m saddened that so many picks were just thrown away for short term “pie in the sky” dreams.

Yea, I’d love a Cup. But I watch 80 regular season games year after year ... and those games are what bring me the real joy, day in and day out. Dave and Don Maloney. Greschner. Dugay. Murdoch. Kreids and Miller. Watching kids break in and make a difference - to sudd3nly impact the way the team is playing... it's just so much fun to watch
Apparently Shattenkirk  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 1:00 pm : link
has been playing through this all season. Makes it even more odd that AV chose to call him out for his play a few weeks back.

Hopefully Deangelo actually gets some extended playing time now.
How long an injury is that?  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 1:02 pm : link
Game over if it's a month+.

Not our year health wise .. wow...
Baadbill  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 1:04 pm : link
Rangers aren't trading Chytil or Andersson. No way. JG hasn't shown a near sightedness at all (though the Staal trade was dumb)
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13796911 baadbill said:
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I’d be heartbroken if the Rangers traded Chytil before I get a chance to watch him develop. I’m so tired of all the draft picks the Rangers threw away over the past 10+ years. I’ve always loved watching draft pick callups and I’m saddened that so many picks were just thrown away for short term “pie in the sky” dreams.

Yea, I’d love a Cup. But I watch 80 regular season games year after year ... and those games are what bring me the real joy, day in and day out. Dave and Don Maloney. Greschner. Dugay. Murdoch. Kreids and Miller. Watching kids break in and make a difference - to sudd3nly impact the way the team is playing... it's just so much fun to watch


I used to go to New Haven Nighthawks games when they were a Rangers farm team, my father was a diehard Rangers fan, and he'd drag me to West Haven Yankees games too when they were the AA team for the Yankees, since he was a diehard Yankees fan, so I get it.

So generally I agree with you, but prospects are prospects and have risk, so many failed 1st round NHL picks, and obviously there are no guarantees with veterans, but I'd trade prospects for a chance at a cup.

the thing is the chance for the cup needs to be real and not remote or desperate, which is where the dilemma comes in.

I like Chytil, but Pacioretty is 29 years old, and one of the best goal scorers in the NHL the past 5 years. He's under contract next year and could easily take the place of Nash for less money if the Rangers let Nash go after the season.

Pacioretty is just an example, but I wouldn't hesitate even a little to trade Chytil for Pacioretty IF and big IF the Rangers felt they could win.

if they don't feel that way then it's a non-starter, but IMO Pacioretty is a star. and he's got a better chance of success in NY than Chytil does.


He said he'll be back this season  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 1:06 pm : link
That's why they're doing it now. Just couldn't keep playing through it. But what will the team's standing look like by the time he's ready?

I'd like to see them take this opportunity ride Skeji a bit more. He's had a solid season but he's still being sheltered. Extend his ice time, give him some tough matchups. He may rise to the occasion and it'd also give the team a glimpse into what he could do in McDonagh's role if/when he departs.
Pacioretty does not move the needle for this group  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 1:09 pm : link
They need to improve on the back end and they need a new coach. And considering how thin they are at center, Chytil and Andersson should be near untouchable.

You can have Jimmy Vesey
As bad as the Canadiens are Vesey  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 1:12 pm : link
doesn't crack their lineup.

they too are weak up the middle and on the blue line.

Good wings though and young. especially LW.

I also think people underrate Pacioretty  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 1:15 pm : link
he give you top line minutes against top line opponents and can play all specials, though you wouldn't know it, but PP is not a strength, though he can do it.

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Over the past five seasons, including this one, Pacioretty has scored the eighth-most goals in the entire NHL with 153, and the fourth-most at even strength with 110. If you remove this season from the equation, Pacioretty jumps to the fourth-most goals overall, behind only Alex Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, and Joe Pavelski. At even strength, only Vladimir Tarasenko scored more than Pacioretty’s 102 goals from 2013 to 2017, with 103.

For those who argue Pacioretty piles up unimportant goals, it’s true that he leads the league in empty netters the past five years with 13, tied with Blake Wheeler and Michael Grabner. But that still leaves 140 more goals and 37 of them were game-winners (second-most in the NHL), 31 were the first goal of the game (tied for fourth-most), and eight were overtime goals (tied for third-most). When playing in all situations and having the goal scoring ability Pacioretty does, you’ll end up with some empty netters along the way.

When I ranked the top-23 players in the NHL at each position coming into this season, Pacioretty came in fifth among all left wingers...
Apparently Bergevin  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 2:07 pm : link
has been the most active GM in the league (per Friedman) in plan for his "reset", two untouchables on the roster. Price and Mete.

I expect a lot of activity in the next 5 weeks to the deadline.
PJ  
baadbill : 1/19/2018 3:01 pm : link
To clarify my earlier post, I didn't mean to insinuate Pacioretty was similar in any way to the short term “pie in the sky” moves I referenced in my post. I understand his age and longevity.

My point is that I love watching a draft pick make his debut and then develop over a period of years - and my desire in that regard has increased as a result of the trade deadline moves over the last decade - so I'm less inclined to want to see any move (for anybody) that involves trading away first round picks (recently drafted players or future picks).
Colorado looks big ... and fast  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 3:21 pm : link
... good pace
Lol  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 3:22 pm : link
No grabner today either and Hayes is still out with a fucking bruise. They need him badly but he's two weeks and counting out now with a bruise
yea, this road trip could be tough  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 3:23 pm : link
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COL has won 8 in a row  
NYerInMA : 1/20/2018 3:24 pm : link
tough sledding.
Well we're rolling at least one AHL line today  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 3:44 pm : link
And a third pair D ahl line too against a hot team

On top of that I counted at least 5 plays where a pass was made and the AHL'er wasn't there on miscommunication. These guys haven't even practiced together.

doubt I'm watching all 3 periods - it's got to be very disconcerting to guys like shattenkirk and McDonough who have played through real injuries this year to see Hayes continue to rest up his bruise.
They had to score there ... couldn't go down 3  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 4:10 pm : link
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One reason  
Bones : 1/20/2018 4:45 pm : link
DeAngelo may have been called up is his familiarity with the western conference, and apparently he is playing better as of late.
Didn't Nash miss like a month  
Kyle in NY : 1/20/2018 5:21 pm : link
with a bone bruise a year or two ago? I'm sure if Hayes could play he would. Silly to judge injuries from behind the computer
Kept it a game ... but just didn't have enough firepower  
baadbill : 1/20/2018 5:35 pm : link
Hate to start road trip with a L
They kept it closer than I expected them too  
NYerInMA : 1/20/2018 5:36 pm : link
But close only counts in horseshoes and nuclear weapons.
They played hard  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 5:48 pm : link
Just not nearly talented right now and will be short handed for a long time to come
They got absolutely dominated  
Kyle in NY : 1/20/2018 5:53 pm : link
And Hank kept it close, again. Not a single player had a positive shot attempt total. I'd blame injuries but it's not much different than how it lookedwhen they were more healthy

But please, keep Nick Holden on the top pair and Steve fucking Kampfer in the NHL. It's working great
They suck the big white mint  
B in ALB : 1/20/2018 5:55 pm : link
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Nathan MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2018 6:05 pm : link
became the best player in the league once they traded Duchene.

not sure if coincidence or not, but he's on fire.

Maybe my expectations are low  
MetsAreBack : 1/20/2018 6:12 pm : link
They played a decent road game from my standpoint. Hit a post with 3 minutes left and buchnevich narrowly missed with 1 minute left.

Shots were 28-36 before the empty net.
Well that sucked ...  
baadbill : 1/22/2018 1:10 am : link
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Three straight PPG allowed  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 8:08 am : link
Don't usually see that. I thought they received a tough whistle. And Clifford should have had a major penalty for his hit on Smith.

But again, there just isn't much desperation when they're down a goal in the 3rd. 7 shots and one scoring chance generated in that period. Not good enough. Kings had lost 6 straight. If they were going to keep their heads above water, they probably had to get points in that one.
This team sucks right now.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/22/2018 10:32 am : link
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It's time to overhaul  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2018 10:36 am : link
I get that people's emotional attachment to Lundqvist makes it difficult for them to face that reality, but that's where we are.
Yup  
MetsAreBack : 1/22/2018 10:41 am : link
unfortunately, its just about time to sell.

Looking at the standings, even if Hank agreed to wave his NMC which i doubt he will - his family seems pretty grounded/immersed here ... what playoff team even needs him? Everyone seems to have a stud already. Calgary? St Louis? And STL already tried that hired gun thing with Ryan Miller a few years back and got burned badly.
Hank seems to have made some changes  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 10:54 am : link
that seem to have extended his prime. I think if they properly execute a sale and find a better coach they can be a good team again soon while Hank is still a top 10 goalie. There is a solid young core in place here and they have the opportunity to add to that.

It might hurt him for a year or two. But he must realize deep down that this can't keep continuing as is.

By the way, after last night we passed Arizona as the worst CF/60 team in the league. AV has completely failed.
We have Lundqvist for three more seasons.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/22/2018 11:01 am : link
Toronto might be a possibility, but the Rangers would probably have to eat and take up Andersen. I suspect they can AV and try to make another run with Lundqvist next year.
Which is more difficult on the body... the Kings playing in NYC  
baadbill : 1/22/2018 11:12 am : link
at 7 (4:00 Western) or the Rangers playing in LA at 10:30 Eastern? It has to be worse for an east coast team playing put west...

It hit me when they dropped the puck last night that the Rangers were starting a game in what felt like 10:30 at night to them... but they came out of the gates with good legs and had a really good 1st period... but they really didn't look good at all by the 3rd... I'm not raising this as any type of excuse - their play over the recent 10 games speaks for itself - but it has to be difficult on the body to play games that start at 10:30 at night and aren't over until after 1:00 AM.
I'd like to see them seriously shop McDonagh  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 11:12 am : link
I'm a big fan of his and recognize that the organization and coaching has failed him, never giving him a true first line partner. But I do think he's likely peaked and won't be worth his next contract.

If they can find a team interested that could send back a young player we can plug right into the lineup, that'd go a long way towards being a contender again quickly. A package similar to what we gave up for Yandle.

They should be all over Toronto. Maybe they can get Nylander
Shattenkirk would have been a fine partner for McDonagh.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/22/2018 11:13 am : link
AV just sucks.
Yup  
Kyle in NY : 1/22/2018 11:18 am : link
coaching failed him most of all. This team should be better than this
Wow - that was one hell of a goal by Nash  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:27 pm : link
... what a freakin move that was!
And Miller proceeds to give away the puck stupidly  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:30 pm : link
So Zucc commits the penalty. Idiots.
Aaaaaaand  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:32 pm : link
The Rangers are losing again.
They're only 3 points out of last place  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:36 pm : link
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you just get the feeling that they're on the verge of a complete  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 10:37 pm : link
collapse
Nash's reach is just amazing ... combined with his ability to use  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:38 pm : link
his body to block ...
RE: you just get the feeling that they're on the verge of a complete  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13803735 Greg from LI said:
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collapse


Well I wouldn't be surprised if they go 0-4 on this road trip and that could lead to ... who knows
Baaahahahahaha  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:47 pm : link
They're a Fucking disgrace.
Pavelec's confidence can't be all that great and to then face  
baadbill : 1/23/2018 10:47 pm : link
a breakaway on his first shot ... and for him to get deked badly ... oh man, I hope he keeps his shit together... Rangers can ill afford his confidence to collapse completely
Miller must've hit the town last night  
B in ALB : 1/23/2018 10:48 pm : link
He looks like stir fried shit.
Nash's  
Professor Falken : 1/23/2018 10:50 pm : link
trade value going up by the minute.
Hai  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 10:53 pm : link
Getting shittier by the day it seems  
NYerInMA : 1/24/2018 8:33 am : link
Glad I'm not staying up to watch that crap.
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