Schwartz: What Pat Shurmur thinks about Eli Manning

Thanks for the updates!

The defense played like shit last year. I don’t know if they’re listenjng to that voice anymore it is very scary that it’s totally acceptable for them to potentially retain him.

That would suck badly.

Interesting that it still isn't clear who the Giants #1 choice was. Doesn't matter now.

I think they are making a big mistake with Spags and his staff.

If they keep Quinn, I will go ballistic.

deserves to stay. Excited if he will be retained.

In comment 13796066 Mr. Nickels said:

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deserves to stay. Excited if he will be retained.

Why exactly?

In comment 13796019 mattnyg05 said:

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The defense played like shit last year. I don’t know if they’re listenjng to that voice anymore it is very scary that it’s totally acceptable for them to potentially retain him. That would suck badly.

If Shurmur takes a page from Belichick's book and tells him keep it simple, no elaborate schemes, we may be OK

They need to have him take pay cut to stay

In comment 13796066 Mr. Nickels said:

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deserves to stay. Excited if he will be retained.

Based on what? 2 of the 3 seasons he’s been back the Giants have been last in defense. Historically Bad. And three of his players had to be suspended. He has to take some blame for that as well

and the lack of discipline was evident. We need a fresh approach with new coaches.

draft a qb and Eli continues to look shot there could be a very interesting dynamic in Metlife next October. A new head coach and a possible qb controversy sounds bad.

would be insane...

In comment 13796109 Rflairr said:

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They need to have him take pay cut to stay

Yeah, that's not happening, and the team won't cut him this offseason. If your contract at work was guaranteed and your boss told you he wasn't happy with your recent performance, how willing would you be to take a pay cut?

In comment 13796054 Eric from BBI said:

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Interesting that it still isn't clear who the Giants #1 choice was. Doesn't matter now. I think they are making a big mistake with Spags and his staff. If they keep Quinn, I will go ballistic.

Mc had to own TQ as a rookie HC; could live with him year 2, but likely would have asked for a change id there was a Y3. Shurmur likely saw TQs body of work,has the experience/voice Mc didnt, and will likely ask/demand to pick his own STC. If TQ is kept maybe WE can petition our minority owners to insist TQ be replaced.

if he wants to play a few more years then they need cap relief to get him the offensive line he needs to protect him and also to establish a good running game.

Reporters said that McAdoo instigated it.

Considering he gave Shurmur his first shot as an OC, is only a couple of seasons removed from the #2 defense and has the support of Giants brass...I don't see how he has much of a choice. I prefer they go in a different direction, but put yourself in his position.

Mara, Shurmur, and Gettleman are in the pro Eli crowd.

The Giants may take a QB number two overall, but I would not be surprised if they trade down if they aren't in love with any of the top 3. Shurmurs ability to work with a variety of QBs and be scheme diverse is a real asset and allows the Giants to consider a wider variety of QB prospects. If they don't love Darnold or Rosen they don't have to take them and they don't have to reach. As long as the Giants come away with the QB they WANT, I'll be happy.

I get the Spags criticism, but give him some LBs and a better DE rotation and I think he is still capable of 2007 and 2008. We often forget how good the Giants linebackers were those two years.

(Fifteen players on IR)

The 2016 defense was ranked 2nd in the entire NFL ...

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm[/]

Spags IS an excellent coach, when he has the players he needs on the field.

With talent, the defense will be fine under him imo.

and FFS stay relatively healthy! I’m not on the Spags train any more than most, but I have a hard time killing the coach with what was trotted onto the field at LB and CB for most of the year.

My only issue with Spags was the bad start the defense got to while relatively healthy...looking back I think many of our stars must not made it out of camp with a “clean” health bill...something we may never get to the bottom of.

Of pass rush. It’s not working with JPP and Vernon together. Or it’s not enough.

The problem I see happening is if they keep Spags, the defense mostly likely will stay the same. No change to the culture. Now if they go with a new DC there is a good possibility they make changes to the pass rush(Jpp), LB's, schemes, and the whole mindset of this defense. For the amount of money and talent poured into this defense, they have been awful.

defense last year was personnel and injuries, not so much coaching. Someone mentioned it above, depth is key to making this defense more effective.

In comment 13796206 Manny in CA said:

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(Fifteen players on IR) The 2016 defense was ranked 2nd in the entire NFL ... [url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm[/] Spags IS an excellent coach, when he has the players he needs on the field.

In 2015, it was terrible. And his Saints and Rams defenses were terrible. Any coach can look good with lots of talent.

In comment 13796054 Eric from BBI said:

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Interesting that it still isn't clear who the Giants #1 choice was. Doesn't matter now. I think they are making a big mistake with Spags and his staff. If they keep Quinn, I will go ballistic.

Only three things in life are sure: death, taxes and Tom Quinn being Giants special teams coach.

In comment 13796054 Eric from BBI said:

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Interesting that it still isn't clear who the Giants #1 choice was. Doesn't matter now. I think they are making a big mistake with Spags and his staff. If they keep Quinn, I will go ballistic.

Really? If they kept the OL coach would have taken hostages shooting one every 20 min? I would...

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In comment 13796109 Rflairr said: Quote: They need to have him take pay cut to stay Yeah, that's not happening, and the team won't cut him this offseason. If your contract at work was guaranteed and your boss told you he wasn't happy with your recent performance, how willing would you be to take a pay cut?

Eli's contract is not fully guaranteed, so that analogy doesn't completely work.

however, Spags has shown he can be a good DC with the right pieces.

tell the story, but I did find it funny regarding the article's comment " but the fact defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo has, for now, stayed put is viewed as a sign Shurmur will opt to stick with Spagnuolo"

Or maybe, no one else wants him as a coordinator, so he's just sitting on his couch hoping Shurmur sticks with him. As I recall, he wasn't in much demand before the Giants brought him back, and his second time around has been a mixed bag. If he were not retained, I doubt his phone will be ringing off the hook with DC job offers.

I get the feeling Shurmur has to convince Mara to part ways rather than convince Mara to keep him.

to sign with Green Bay?

Then why did they tell all the assistants they were free to look for jobs elsewhere?

he is retained. I'll be doubly pissed if Quinn is still here.

form other dethroned HCs all signed elsewhere with a new team?

Have any?

not form

Spags then it should indicate to Giants fans that the team has all the pieces in place to fit the ideal system they want.

OV , JPP , LC , Snacks , Jackrabbit, DRC are all core players while Tomlinson Goodson D. Thompson are guys who could emerge.

I dont anticipate a huge change in the defense and neither does ownership.

Look at the games. Most points given up were 4th quarter. They were hurt and tired. No "complimentary football" and by the end of the season why bother.


The best defense is a good offense and vice versa.

In comment 13796303 bc4life said:

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to sign with Green Bay? Then why did they tell all the assistants they were free to look for jobs elsewhere?

Agree. Also, why bolt to GB after only a year to coach backers if there’s such a strong indication your boss/DC is going to be retained by Shurmur? Strange.

The HC hung those guys out to dry the last couple of years and they pulled a rabbit out of their ass in 2016 despite the entire load being placed on their shoulders. That type of performance isn't sustainable when exposed to such heavily skewed time of possession. Ranked 29th in TOP both of the last two seasons.

the biggest reason is I expect an improved O with PS as the head coach. An improved O will only improve the D. And hopefully a healthy D.

In comment 13796953 Tom [Giants fan] said:

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the biggest reason is I expect an improved O with PS as the head coach. An improved O will only improve the D. And hopefully a healthy D.

Spags is a good coach, I'm happy with him to stay and I agree with Tom here. People are just mad because it feels like another half measure, but the reality is Spags D was far less responsible than the O for the recent failures of this team.

We had a HISTORICALLY bad offense. And the defense was off this past year, injured, and just plain stupid with bonehead decisions on and off the field.

A new leader in Shurmur, a better offense, and Shurmur's influence on Spags, and I think you see the Giants with a top 10 defense next year with Spags at the helm, easy.

I think the players had issues with some of the secondary coaches. They need new blood there IMO if they keep spags.

Keeping Spags would ruin this off season for me. Half measures killed us 2 years ago... do NOT make the same mistake. He is not a guy people talk about when you think of DC's who have historically made their teams better every where they go.

He has had a couple of good years with the Giants and been terrible the rest of the time. Terrible.
This past season alone should disqualify him.

Please Please Please do not let this happen.