Would not be surprised to see Josh Allen chosen 1st
He is totally smooth and efficient and his mechanics are excellent. Powerful arm and hits receivers in stride. Link - ( New Window )
I'm disappointed in you! Your not living up to that country Hillbilly lifestyle you talk about all the time.
The thread is about Josh Allen the QB from Wyoming. Are you interested in discussing his potential draft position?
has cannon like the Cossacks and is study, powerful adult male in mold of type Giants QB.
In Wyoming, he skill developed wrangling of calve babies which makes fit excellent to beat Cowboys in the plains of Dallas. Mountain West requires breathing in altitudinal heights which deflates skins of pig making percentage of completing balls nail-like hard.
Important more is skill of breathing in heights so in windy Winter New York, throws will be in control with breaths. No high passes MANNINGED our WR's. We should see receivers play until 47 or until fatal heart ailment sidelines them.
This is point key to Allen's greatness impending. Also, bucking broncs not only helps every year 4 schedule of Denver - but it builds toughness needed to handle Gettleman - social anti arguer of men.
He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
I agree with you. And in the two games he played against Power 5 teams, he did not look so good. My point was that he looked much better in 2016 when he had a better team behind him. Granted, it is the Mountain West, but Carson Wentz played his college ball against similar competition and has (so far) made a pretty good transition to the NFL. I'm not saying Allen will do likewise, but it's not far-fetched to think he might be able to play well in the pros. He has very good skills- I'm not sure I've seen a quicker release- at least not in recent memory. He has a cannon for an arm- saw a video showing him throw the ball 77 yards down the field. The big knock on him seems to be his accuracy, but that can be corrected. I just don't think he can be overlooked. Again, not saying we should draft him. But he is very intriguing.
He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
I agree with you. And in the two games he played against Power 5 teams, he did not look so good. My point was that he looked much better in 2016 when he had a better team behind him. Granted, it is the Mountain West, but Carson Wentz played his college ball against similar competition and has (so far) made a pretty good transition to the NFL. I'm not saying Allen will do likewise, but it's not far-fetched to think he might be able to play well in the pros. He has very good skills- I'm not sure I've seen a quicker release- at least not in recent memory. He has a cannon for an arm- saw a video showing him throw the ball 77 yards down the field. The big knock on him seems to be his accuracy, but that can be corrected. I just don't think he can be overlooked. Again, not saying we should draft him. But he is very intriguing.
Can you site any previous examples of inaccurate college QBs who are "fixed" in the NFL?
I ask because I've seen this point made several times by Allen supporters but I can't think of anyone being coached out of inaccuracy.
In 2016, with legitimate MWC talent, Allen still only completed passes at a 56%. I don't think people are appreciating what this means...it's outlier territory. Similar to a WR running a 4.8, below the minimum threshold. This reddit thread breaks it down:
I'm QB all the way but I don't like Allen, he's the landmine that NFL coaches and scouts keep stepping on. I don't think you can significantly coach up accuracy but teams continue to think they can. Wentz numbers - ( New Window )
I'm disappointed in you! Your not living up to that country Hillbilly lifestyle you talk about all the time.
The thread is about Josh Allen the QB from Wyoming. Are you interested in discussing his potential draft position?
He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
I agree with you. And in the two games he played against Power 5 teams, he did not look so good. My point was that he looked much better in 2016 when he had a better team behind him. Granted, it is the Mountain West, but Carson Wentz played his college ball against similar competition and has (so far) made a pretty good transition to the NFL. I'm not saying Allen will do likewise, but it's not far-fetched to think he might be able to play well in the pros. He has very good skills- I'm not sure I've seen a quicker release- at least not in recent memory. He has a cannon for an arm- saw a video showing him throw the ball 77 yards down the field. The big knock on him seems to be his accuracy, but that can be corrected. I just don't think he can be overlooked. Again, not saying we should draft him. But he is very intriguing.
Can you site any previous examples of inaccurate college QBs who are "fixed" in the NFL?
I ask because I've seen this point made several times by Allen supporters but I can't think of anyone being coached out of inaccuracy.
I don't have access to or study tape to tell you WHY he is inaccurate. According to several coaches and analysts I've listened to over the years, accuracy issues can be corrected sometimes by simply changing a QB's mechanics. Is that the case here? I have no idea. I'm simply stating that what I have seen is intriguing. That's a bit different than advocating that the Giants draft him, which I haven't done. You, apparently have decided he is not worthy of the Giants pick. So please tell me what the fundamental problems with his accuracy are. My comments were designed to try to get more information from some of the more knowledgable people who post on this board. If you are one of those people, great, I'd like to know your opinion on his issues- why he would or would not be a good selection. If you are not one of the more knowledgable people, and are simply posting your opinion because you favor one of the other QBs, thank you for your unhelpful opinion.
In 2016, with legitimate MWC talent, Allen still only completed passes at a 56%. I don't think people are appreciating what this means...it's outlier territory. Similar to a WR running a 4.8, below the minimum threshold. This reddit thread breaks it down:
I'm QB all the way but I don't like Allen, he's the landmine that NFL coaches and scouts keep stepping on. I don't think you can significantly coach up accuracy but teams continue to think they can. Wentz numbers - ( New Window )
Thanks for the info. I would be curious if you could tell me if his accuracy issues stemmed from things he's doing incorrectly, drops by receivers, not "being on the same page" as his receivers, a combination of those things, or, perhaps, something else. I don't have access to or am able to do enough film study and am simply trying to find a few things out. BTW, I'm not convinced any of these QBs are deserving of a very high pick in this draft, and am just trying to get more info.
Very humble kid with a cannon attached to his shoulder (literally a cannon). Quick release and good throwing motion, you can see the power being generated from his legs. Can extend plays much like Big Ben. He's a gamer. Body built and athleticism reminds me of Tannehill. His accuracy is concerning and seems to only make 1 or 2 reads. Stares his target down. I wonder if the lights will be too bright, he doesn't have Wentzs' personality. He'll need some time to marinate. I don't think he'll be an elite guy but maybe a Flacco/Tannehill type.
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
OK, sorry. Didn't mean to get a little defensive, but this board has started to get a proliferation of assholes and morons, and I'm only trying to get more info. I'm afraid I can't name one because I usually don't care about the QBs coming out of college since we haven't really needed one for a while. I mentioned the stuff I've heard from coaches and analysts because they are clearly more knowledgable about these things than I am. I don't take what they say as gospel, but I've heard several say it over the years and assumed there might be some validity to it.
Very humble kid with a cannon attached to his shoulder (literally a cannon). Quick release and good throwing motion, you can see the power being generated from his legs. Can extend plays much like Big Ben. He's a gamer. Body built and athleticism reminds me of Tannehill. His accuracy is concerning and seems to only make 1 or 2 reads. Stares his target down. I wonder if the lights will be too bright, he doesn't have Wentzs' personality. He'll need some time to marinate. I don't think he'll be an elite guy but maybe a Flacco/Tannehill type.
Thanks for the info. Have never really been impressed by either Flacco or Tannehill.
and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
The only one on that list that has the same measurables as Allen is Cam Newton. Size, athletic ability, arm, legs, all match up. once the combines are over he will shoot up
and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
Plus Eli if an additional 11 of his 441 passes his Sr year went incomplete.
It is an interesting list. Im a big Allen fan but he definitely has some legit concerns.
Is an NFL QB is he ready to start today no but how many are. Is he the top pick today most would say no but he could be as the draft process continues. I would take him at 2 but feel he would still be there at four, five or six possibly he is a big strong QB, good wheels, very big arm and needs schooling. We have all heard this before not all of them developed into stars that’s not only the QB position it’s every NFL position. Accuracy look at the playoff games how many of the QB’s did not have some accuracy issues even Brady made some what the hell was that throws. At the end of the draft let’s see how many Wyoming, UCLA, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & USC offensive players are drafted.
Allen may lack the big conference hype but other than that he stands just as tall as all the other top rated QB’s. Of course they all have pros and cons and will learn and improve hopefully but he lacks none of the tools you would want to see in an NFL QB. He has been compared to Big Ben that’s not a bad starting point not many NFL would not use the first or second pick for a Ben clone.
I'd actually rather dicusss
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Fatman's country hillbilly lifestyle choices than where Josh Allen's projected to go
My chooses lifestyle is more neck of red that hillbilly. That is more for Kentucky and the Vol state of Tennessee. And also Virginia Western. where mining of the coal ranks up with relations sexual of familial relations for pastimes favorite.
In Carolinas, the culture redneck is for waving of Confederalicy flags, drinking clear liquid from still in basement and hunting the wild boar on the ends of the week.
Speaking personally using the form of I, I like to drink yeast that has fermented with hops, and eat already killed pig by other people in smoked atmosphere. Taste reminds me of old rations served in pastoral Czecholoslovakia.
But focus not on my redneck life, let's discuss Josh Allen in two sentences and a linked YouTube video.
finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West. That’s in the bottom half of his conference which has other QBs without much talent. Wyoming finished second in that conference, if he his numbers were toward the bottom how bad is the rest of the team if they went 8-5?
There's a long list of guys who are big and tall and have a "cannon" Â
His completion% against lower competition was sub 60 and, per Sy, his worst performances came against better competition. If I was GM, I would immediately take this guy and Lamar Jackson, who some FO guys think eventually moves to WR, off my board.
RE: Sy’56 believes he’ll carry a 2nd round grade Â
His completion% against lower competition was sub 60 and, per Sy, his worst performances came against better competition. If I was GM, I would immediately take this guy and Lamar Jackson, who some FO guys think eventually moves to WR, off my board.
Sy often admits that he has a much worse/better grade than many scouts/experts. Just because Sy has a 2nd round grade on Allen doesn't mean he won't go top 5. There were reports that John Dorsey and John Elway were very high on Allen.
The truth is that Allen is by far the riskiest QB in the draft but he also has the highest upside. What it comes down to is if a team thinks it can develop Allen. IMO for Allen to be successful in the NFL he will need to sit for a year behind a veteran. I am very intrigued by Allen's talent and I wouldn't be the least but upset if the Giants take him. Do I think they will? No I expect them to try to get Darnold but the Giants would be a perfect landing spot for Allen as he can sit and learn from Eli for at least a year possibly two.
May, and a big fat may at that, have the highest upside, but he also has the highest bust potential. NO at 2. Much much much more likely to be a bust than he is to hit that lofty upside. So Few college QBs(if Any) succeed in the NFl with such a low college completion percentage. There are some posters all in on this kid at 2. I am forced to consider they just might envy something....bigger?
has cannon like the Cossacks and is study, powerful adult male in mold of type Giants QB.
In Wyoming, he skill developed wrangling of calve babies which makes fit excellent to beat Cowboys in the plains of Dallas. Mountain West requires breathing in altitudinal heights which deflates skins of pig making percentage of completing balls nail-like hard.
Important more is skill of breathing in heights so in windy Winter New York, throws will be in control with breaths. No high passes MANNINGED our WR's. We should see receivers play until 47 or until fatal heart ailment sidelines them.
This is point key to Allen's greatness impending. Also, bucking broncs not only helps every year 4 schedule of Denver - but it builds toughness needed to handle Gettleman - social anti arguer of men.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what about his grip strength?
His completion% against lower competition was sub 60 and, per Sy, his worst performances came against better competition. If I was GM, I would immediately take this guy and Lamar Jackson, who some FO guys think eventually moves to WR, off my board.
Sy often admits that he has a much worse/better grade than many scouts/experts. Just because Sy has a 2nd round grade on Allen doesn't mean he won't go top 5. There were reports that John Dorsey and John Elway were very high on Allen.
The truth is that Allen is by far the riskiest QB in the draft but he also has the highest upside. What it comes down to is if a team thinks it can develop Allen. IMO for Allen to be successful in the NFL he will need to sit for a year behind a veteran. I am very intrigued by Allen's talent and I wouldn't be the least but upset if the Giants take him. Do I think they will? No I expect them to try to get Darnold but the Giants would be a perfect landing spot for Allen as he can sit and learn from Eli for at least a year possibly two.
Elway was also high on Osweiler, Paxton Lynch and Trevor Semien. He seems to have a 'type' for really tall QBs who can't play.
I don't think Allen or Jackson are first round prospects at QB. I sure as he'll wouldn't touch either one within the half of the first round. Much better players to be had, ever for QB starved teams.
He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
So did Eli Manning at ole miss. He still put up great stats.
You don't take a qb from a small school this high in the draft it that qb didn't completely dominate in college. Allen most definitely did not. He's a 2-3rd round prospect in my view. Maybe late first and even that seems a stretch with at least 4 qbs ahead of him.
Discuss the topic!
Most new coaches want their own QB. The new coach is in a coach is in a unique position. He gets to bring in a player he envisions as the future. They will continue to force feed him Eli for a season, but eventually he will have his QB.
Discuss the topic!
Most new coaches want their own QB. The new coach is in a coach is in a unique position. He gets to bring in a player he envisions as the future. They will continue to force feed him Eli for a season, but eventually he will have his QB.
Discuss the topic!
Most new coaches want their own QB. The new coach is in a coach is in a unique position. He gets to bring in a player he envisions as the future. They will continue to force feed him Eli for a season, but eventually he will have his QB.
I don't know if EliteMob's posts have made me dyslexic, but this is what my brain first processed:
The new coach is in a new couch and is in a unique cushion.
and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
The only one on that list that has the same measurables as Allen is Cam Newton. Size, athletic ability, arm, legs, all match up. once the combines are over he will shoot up
Comparing Allen's athleticsm to Cam's os a stretch....to say the least.
and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
The only one on that list that has the same measurables as Allen is Cam Newton. Size, athletic ability, arm, legs, all match up. once the combines are over he will shoot up
Comparing Allen's athleticsm to Cam's os a stretch....to say the least.
Allen runs a 4.61 40
Cam runs a 4.59
He's considered more Athletic than Wentz, so explain how saying he is athletically comparable to Cam is a Stretch
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
The thread is about Josh Allen the QB from Wyoming. Are you interested in discussing his potential draft position?
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He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
In Wyoming, he skill developed wrangling of calve babies which makes fit excellent to beat Cowboys in the plains of Dallas. Mountain West requires breathing in altitudinal heights which deflates skins of pig making percentage of completing balls nail-like hard.
Important more is skill of breathing in heights so in windy Winter New York, throws will be in control with breaths. No high passes MANNINGED our WR's. We should see receivers play until 47 or until fatal heart ailment sidelines them.
This is point key to Allen's greatness impending. Also, bucking broncs not only helps every year 4 schedule of Denver - but it builds toughness needed to handle Gettleman - social anti arguer of men.
I’m dying reading this, well done sir
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He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
I agree with you. And in the two games he played against Power 5 teams, he did not look so good. My point was that he looked much better in 2016 when he had a better team behind him. Granted, it is the Mountain West, but Carson Wentz played his college ball against similar competition and has (so far) made a pretty good transition to the NFL. I'm not saying Allen will do likewise, but it's not far-fetched to think he might be able to play well in the pros. He has very good skills- I'm not sure I've seen a quicker release- at least not in recent memory. He has a cannon for an arm- saw a video showing him throw the ball 77 yards down the field. The big knock on him seems to be his accuracy, but that can be corrected. I just don't think he can be overlooked. Again, not saying we should draft him. But he is very intriguing.
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He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
I agree with you. And in the two games he played against Power 5 teams, he did not look so good. My point was that he looked much better in 2016 when he had a better team behind him. Granted, it is the Mountain West, but Carson Wentz played his college ball against similar competition and has (so far) made a pretty good transition to the NFL. I'm not saying Allen will do likewise, but it's not far-fetched to think he might be able to play well in the pros. He has very good skills- I'm not sure I've seen a quicker release- at least not in recent memory. He has a cannon for an arm- saw a video showing him throw the ball 77 yards down the field. The big knock on him seems to be his accuracy, but that can be corrected. I just don't think he can be overlooked. Again, not saying we should draft him. But he is very intriguing.
Can you site any previous examples of inaccurate college QBs who are "fixed" in the NFL?
I ask because I've seen this point made several times by Allen supporters but I can't think of anyone being coached out of inaccuracy.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carson-wentz-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
In 2016, with legitimate MWC talent, Allen still only completed passes at a 56%. I don't think people are appreciating what this means...it's outlier territory. Similar to a WR running a 4.8, below the minimum threshold. This reddit thread breaks it down:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/65zs0w/oc_why_585_is_the_magic_number_for_qbs_in_the_nfl/
I'm QB all the way but I don't like Allen, he's the landmine that NFL coaches and scouts keep stepping on. I don't think you can significantly coach up accuracy but teams continue to think they can.
Wentz numbers - ( New Window )
He definitely forgot to write in his character's voice.
The thread is about Josh Allen the QB from Wyoming. Are you interested in discussing his potential draft position?
Annnnnnd... we're back.
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He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
He's still playing in the Mountain West, he wasn't exactly staring down Von Miller and throwing at Jalen Ramsey either.
I agree with you. And in the two games he played against Power 5 teams, he did not look so good. My point was that he looked much better in 2016 when he had a better team behind him. Granted, it is the Mountain West, but Carson Wentz played his college ball against similar competition and has (so far) made a pretty good transition to the NFL. I'm not saying Allen will do likewise, but it's not far-fetched to think he might be able to play well in the pros. He has very good skills- I'm not sure I've seen a quicker release- at least not in recent memory. He has a cannon for an arm- saw a video showing him throw the ball 77 yards down the field. The big knock on him seems to be his accuracy, but that can be corrected. I just don't think he can be overlooked. Again, not saying we should draft him. But he is very intriguing.
Can you site any previous examples of inaccurate college QBs who are "fixed" in the NFL?
I ask because I've seen this point made several times by Allen supporters but I can't think of anyone being coached out of inaccuracy.
I don't have access to or study tape to tell you WHY he is inaccurate. According to several coaches and analysts I've listened to over the years, accuracy issues can be corrected sometimes by simply changing a QB's mechanics. Is that the case here? I have no idea. I'm simply stating that what I have seen is intriguing. That's a bit different than advocating that the Giants draft him, which I haven't done. You, apparently have decided he is not worthy of the Giants pick. So please tell me what the fundamental problems with his accuracy are. My comments were designed to try to get more information from some of the more knowledgable people who post on this board. If you are one of those people, great, I'd like to know your opinion on his issues- why he would or would not be a good selection. If you are not one of the more knowledgable people, and are simply posting your opinion because you favor one of the other QBs, thank you for your unhelpful opinion.
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carson-wentz-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
In 2016, with legitimate MWC talent, Allen still only completed passes at a 56%. I don't think people are appreciating what this means...it's outlier territory. Similar to a WR running a 4.8, below the minimum threshold. This reddit thread breaks it down:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/65zs0w/oc_why_585_is_the_magic_number_for_qbs_in_the_nfl/
I'm QB all the way but I don't like Allen, he's the landmine that NFL coaches and scouts keep stepping on. I don't think you can significantly coach up accuracy but teams continue to think they can. Wentz numbers - ( New Window )
Thanks for the info. I would be curious if you could tell me if his accuracy issues stemmed from things he's doing incorrectly, drops by receivers, not "being on the same page" as his receivers, a combination of those things, or, perhaps, something else. I don't have access to or am able to do enough film study and am simply trying to find a few things out. BTW, I'm not convinced any of these QBs are deserving of a very high pick in this draft, and am just trying to get more info.
Feel free to start a new thread. This one's about Josh Allen.
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
OK, sorry. Didn't mean to get a little defensive, but this board has started to get a proliferation of assholes and morons, and I'm only trying to get more info. I'm afraid I can't name one because I usually don't care about the QBs coming out of college since we haven't really needed one for a while. I mentioned the stuff I've heard from coaches and analysts because they are clearly more knowledgable about these things than I am. I don't take what they say as gospel, but I've heard several say it over the years and assumed there might be some validity to it.
Thanks for the info. Have never really been impressed by either Flacco or Tannehill.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
The only one on that list that has the same measurables as Allen is Cam Newton. Size, athletic ability, arm, legs, all match up. once the combines are over he will shoot up
It was exhausting typing each of their names + "college stats".
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
Plus Eli if an additional 11 of his 441 passes his Sr year went incomplete.
It is an interesting list. Im a big Allen fan but he definitely has some legit concerns.
Allen may lack the big conference hype but other than that he stands just as tall as all the other top rated QB’s. Of course they all have pros and cons and will learn and improve hopefully but he lacks none of the tools you would want to see in an NFL QB. He has been compared to Big Ben that’s not a bad starting point not many NFL would not use the first or second pick for a Ben clone.
Yup thats what I'm afraid of. Don't need a man baby behind the center.
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Fatman's country hillbilly lifestyle choices than where Josh Allen's projected to go
My chooses lifestyle is more neck of red that hillbilly. That is more for Kentucky and the Vol state of Tennessee. And also Virginia Western. where mining of the coal ranks up with relations sexual of familial relations for pastimes favorite.
In Carolinas, the culture redneck is for waving of Confederalicy flags, drinking clear liquid from still in basement and hunting the wild boar on the ends of the week.
Speaking personally using the form of I, I like to drink yeast that has fermented with hops, and eat already killed pig by other people in smoked atmosphere. Taste reminds me of old rations served in pastoral Czecholoslovakia.
But focus not on my redneck life, let's discuss Josh Allen in two sentences and a linked YouTube video.
His completion% against lower competition was sub 60 and, per Sy, his worst performances came against better competition. If I was GM, I would immediately take this guy and Lamar Jackson, who some FO guys think eventually moves to WR, off my board.
His completion% against lower competition was sub 60 and, per Sy, his worst performances came against better competition. If I was GM, I would immediately take this guy and Lamar Jackson, who some FO guys think eventually moves to WR, off my board.
Sy often admits that he has a much worse/better grade than many scouts/experts. Just because Sy has a 2nd round grade on Allen doesn't mean he won't go top 5. There were reports that John Dorsey and John Elway were very high on Allen.
The truth is that Allen is by far the riskiest QB in the draft but he also has the highest upside. What it comes down to is if a team thinks it can develop Allen. IMO for Allen to be successful in the NFL he will need to sit for a year behind a veteran. I am very intrigued by Allen's talent and I wouldn't be the least but upset if the Giants take him. Do I think they will? No I expect them to try to get Darnold but the Giants would be a perfect landing spot for Allen as he can sit and learn from Eli for at least a year possibly two.
He just finished 6th grade. They emphasize grammar in 6th grade.
In Wyoming, he skill developed wrangling of calve babies which makes fit excellent to beat Cowboys in the plains of Dallas. Mountain West requires breathing in altitudinal heights which deflates skins of pig making percentage of completing balls nail-like hard.
Important more is skill of breathing in heights so in windy Winter New York, throws will be in control with breaths. No high passes MANNINGED our WR's. We should see receivers play until 47 or until fatal heart ailment sidelines them.
This is point key to Allen's greatness impending. Also, bucking broncs not only helps every year 4 schedule of Denver - but it builds toughness needed to handle Gettleman - social anti arguer of men.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what about his grip strength?
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He’d be a major reach at 2nd overall.
His completion% against lower competition was sub 60 and, per Sy, his worst performances came against better competition. If I was GM, I would immediately take this guy and Lamar Jackson, who some FO guys think eventually moves to WR, off my board.
Sy often admits that he has a much worse/better grade than many scouts/experts. Just because Sy has a 2nd round grade on Allen doesn't mean he won't go top 5. There were reports that John Dorsey and John Elway were very high on Allen.
The truth is that Allen is by far the riskiest QB in the draft but he also has the highest upside. What it comes down to is if a team thinks it can develop Allen. IMO for Allen to be successful in the NFL he will need to sit for a year behind a veteran. I am very intrigued by Allen's talent and I wouldn't be the least but upset if the Giants take him. Do I think they will? No I expect them to try to get Darnold but the Giants would be a perfect landing spot for Allen as he can sit and learn from Eli for at least a year possibly two.
Elway was also high on Osweiler, Paxton Lynch and Trevor Semien. He seems to have a 'type' for really tall QBs who can't play.
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He finished eighth in completion percentage, seventh in passer rating and sixth in passing YPG in the Mountain West.
But DipshitMobster32 has given his blessing so here we are.
I'm not defending EM#32, or even advocating taking Allen, but truth be told, he probably had one of the worst supporting casts ever fielded
So did Eli Manning at ole miss. He still put up great stats.
You don't take a qb from a small school this high in the draft it that qb didn't completely dominate in college. Allen most definitely did not. He's a 2-3rd round prospect in my view. Maybe late first and even that seems a stretch with at least 4 qbs ahead of him.
Most new coaches want their own QB. The new coach is in a coach is in a unique position. He gets to bring in a player he envisions as the future. They will continue to force feed him Eli for a season, but eventually he will have his QB.
Most new coaches want their own QB. The new coach is in a coach is in a unique position. He gets to bring in a player he envisions as the future. They will continue to force feed him Eli for a season, but eventually he will have his QB.
How old are you?
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Very humble kid with a cannon attached to his shoulder (literally a cannon).
Lol
Watching the Knicks - Manana
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
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I'm not trying to bust your balls.
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
Old, but decent article on college QBs with low completion %. Link - ( New Window )
Dan Marino and Bret Favre.
Their completion percentages in college will blow you away.
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I'm not trying to bust your balls.
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
Old, but decent article on college QBs with low completion %. Link - ( New Window )
His evaluation was spot-on
High on:
Brian Brohm
Chad Henne
Down on:
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Most new coaches want their own QB. The new coach is in a coach is in a unique position. He gets to bring in a player he envisions as the future. They will continue to force feed him Eli for a season, but eventually he will have his QB.
I don't know if EliteMob's posts have made me dyslexic, but this is what my brain first processed:
The new coach is in a new couch and is in a unique cushion.
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and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
The only one on that list that has the same measurables as Allen is Cam Newton. Size, athletic ability, arm, legs, all match up. once the combines are over he will shoot up
Comparing Allen's athleticsm to Cam's os a stretch....to say the least.
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and found a few NFL QBs whom, similarly to Allen, had more than 1 college season in which they had a sub-60% completion.
- Josh McCown
- Jay Cutler
- Colin Kaepernick
- Trevor Siemian
- Blaine Gabbert
- Brock Oswieler
- Cam Newton (technically, but he only got into 6 games over two seasons in Florida. Well over 60% in his final year)
- Tyrod Taylor
Wouldn't call this conclusive evidence to the contrary of your point, but it doesn't look good.
I think considering Allen at #2 is crazy talk.
The only one on that list that has the same measurables as Allen is Cam Newton. Size, athletic ability, arm, legs, all match up. once the combines are over he will shoot up
Comparing Allen's athleticsm to Cam's os a stretch....to say the least.
Allen runs a 4.61 40
Cam runs a 4.59
He's considered more Athletic than Wentz, so explain how saying he is athletically comparable to Cam is a Stretch
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I'm not trying to bust your balls.
I'm asking because you stated that you believe he can be coached out of his issues.
I'm asking because I can't think of a single sub-60% college passer who went on to become successful starter.
Old, but decent article on college QBs with low completion %. Link - ( New Window )
His evaluation was spot-on
High on:
Brian Brohm
Chad Henne
Down on:
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco