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My thoughts on approac to address OL/RB roster

Big_Pete : 1/18/2018 9:46 pm
Gettleman has mentioned that he wants to address needs in free agency before the draft.

Assuming Shurmur becomes, I have been having a little look at how this kind of approach could look for the offensive line and running backs:

Pugh is unlike to return, he will get paid elsewhere.
I am not sure on Richburg, it really depends on evaluation. I am going to assume he leaves.

Offensive tackle: Given that there are limited options in free agency, I do think a trade is on the cards, potential targets are Cordy Glenn, Joe Staley and Joe Thomas. The asking price won't be cheap, discussions probably start in the ball park of the Duane Brown trade last year.

We know Gettleman is not going to overpay for talent and that he wants to build talent This is the kind of approach I would expect.

Resign DJ Fluker to a moderate multi year deal.
Resign Brett Jones (RFA)

Cut John Jerry
Let Justin Pugh, Weston Richburg move on

Trade for Cordy Glenn, move Ereck Flowers to RT.
(Glenn would have cap numbers of $11.25m (2018), $9.25m (2019), $9.25m (2020) without guaranteed money)

Sign G Andrew Norwell, CAR (similar to Kevin Zeitler’s 5yr/ $60m; the 2018 cap value would be $8.4m)

Sign young depth such as
G David Yankey, CAR (RFA)
C Cornelius Edison, MIN (RFA)
Both Yankey and Edison have some game experience (like Halapio, Wheeler and Bisowaty) and have experience with what Gettleman and Shurmur are looking for.

at RB

Resign Orleans Darkwa to a moderate contract
Sign Jerick McKinnon (MIN) to a moderate contract
Sign Bishop Sankey (MIN)

Both McKinnon and Sankey are familiar with Shurmur

That gives the following potential depth chart heading into the draft:

LT: Glenn (BUF), Wheeler
LG: Norwell (CAR), Yankey (CAR)
C: Jones, Edison (MIN)
RG: Fluker, Halapio
RT: Flowers, Bisnowaty

RB: McKinnon (MIN), Darkwa, Gallman, Sankey (MIN), Perkins

In the draft it wouldn't preclude investing early in he draft, but it doesn't mean it is critical.
Trading for Cordy Glenn would be irresponsible  
Red Dog : 1/18/2018 9:51 pm : link
unless they get him for a ham sandwich or an old pair of sweat socks. And even then they can't depend on him.

He's been on the sidelines as much or more than Pugh and Richburg. He's also not as position versatile as Pugh or as good a player as a healthy Richburg either. I watch the Bills a lot too, so I have seen Glenn play quite a lot.
What makes everyone think we’ll be capable  
Simms11 : 1/18/2018 10:03 pm : link
of signing Norwell? He’s going to want a ton of money and why wouldn’t Carolina resign him?
Where are the Giants going to get the draft picks to make these trades  
Ivan15 : 1/18/2018 10:10 pm : link
and RFA signings?
OL isn't going to be fixed in one season...  
GFAN52 : 1/18/2018 10:13 pm : link
It's probably a 2 year plan before they solidify it.
RE: OL isn't going to be fixed in one season...  
old man : 1/18/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13796097 GFAN52 said:
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It's probably a 2 year plan before they solidify it.

+1. Reality says we need 3-4 new OL players that will function together. At least 1 must be a draft pick; you need homegrowns, the more the better actually.
And we have other needs at DL, secondary and LB.
Your figures for  
SchindlersFist : 1/18/2018 10:25 pm : link
Glenn and Norwell would account for $19 Million+ of the $23 Million available in cap space.
RE: What makes everyone think we’ll be capable  
paesan98 : 1/18/2018 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13796081 Simms11 said:
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of signing Norwell? He’s going to want a ton of money and why wouldn’t Carolina resign him?


I agree. I don't think 5 years/$60 million will do it. 4 years/$60 million might not be enough
I would definitely sign 2 free agent OL  
twostepgiants : 1/18/2018 10:29 pm : link
And i would draft one top of round 2. Even if we need to move up into round 1. Usually a top C is available about that point.

Obviously move Flowers.
RE: I would definitely sign 2 free agent OL  
lax counsel : 1/18/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13796122 twostepgiants said:
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And i would draft one top of round 2. Even if we need to move up into round 1. Usually a top C is available about that point.

Obviously move Flowers.


Good plan. I would grab at least the top linemen on the market and go ol with the top pick round two. Possibly trade back up into the first round if there is a linemen they really like. Obviously, you need a willing partner.
its wide open  
Elite Mobster #32 : 1/18/2018 10:56 pm : link
No solid list of defensive players. Who's the best? We can go after who we're privately interested in. No clear choice. Who do you want?
RE: OL isn't going to be fixed in one season...  
SHO'NUFF : 1/19/2018 12:50 am : link
In comment 13796097 GFAN52 said:
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It's probably a 2 year plan before they solidify it.


Minnesota + 5 new OL = NFC title game.
um...  
bLiTz 2k : 1/19/2018 1:09 am : link
you do know that RFA = draft compensation. not giving up 2 future picks for those guys.
Lists of available FAs at this time of year are meaningless.  
DonQuixote : 1/19/2018 4:56 am : link
For example, Garoppolo is a FA ... maybe we should pursue him and draft Barkley ... not happening obviously.

Let the FA season come and go and have that inform our draft priorities. I think it will be tough to sign the few proven linemen that somehow find their way into the open market, but hey, that's just me.

FA  
Dragon : 1/19/2018 5:24 am : link
Is fools Gold you you can’t win going the FA route guys all believe they deserve 100% more than they are really worth. Leave it alone there are 700 plus draft eligible players it’s still down to scouting once the draft is done you can sign three guys instead of one for less money. Pugh is gone if we are rebuilding or retooling he can’t stay on the field it’s time to move on. Richburg is a possible resign he is still young but at your price very limited guaranteed money three year contract not a great loss if he signs elsewhere. Not one other FA that was on this team at OL deserves a contract don’t forget the fools Gold rule apply it.

This team is two or three years away from contention trade off all those who got you here your not looking for value for most of them your looking for closure. These players are the ones that got you a three win record and destroyed the team image during the process they are who they are don’t believe the fantasy hype anymore. Sure you can keep them “oh yeah” these guys just had a bad year just be advised you’re only delaying the rebuild process not helping it. In addition those few players of any true value are loosing value and aging badly. No one knows what DG is thinking but if he has really looked at the film he will see the truth and it ain’t pretty.
There will be a couple of OL FA signed  
Rjanyg : 1/19/2018 7:54 am : link
Just probably not Norwell or Solder. Gettlemen said he will " Find " them and that they are out there. Guys like Jonathan Cooper, who had a good year for Dallas, would be a solid OG. Re-sign DJ Fluker, who I think did a good job for us last year. Jones is a RFA and I would expect him to be tendered. Maybe another OT prospect could be brought in to challenge for a spot.

As for RB, I like McKinnon. Gallman, Perkins and McKinnon is solid. Maybe Sony Michel in round 2/3 would be a solid value.

Like it or not, with our cap situation, Flowers and Wheeler will most likely be our best options at OT next season.
There will be a couple of OL FA signed  
Rjanyg : 1/19/2018 7:55 am : link
Just probably not Norwell or Solder. Gettlemen said he will " Find " them and that they are out there. Guys like Jonathan Cooper, who had a good year for Dallas, would be a solid OG. Re-sign DJ Fluker, who I think did a good job for us last year. Jones is a RFA and I would expect him to be tendered. Maybe another OT prospect could be brought in to challenge for a spot.

As for RB, I like McKinnon. Gallman, Perkins and McKinnon is solid. Maybe Sony Michel in round 2/3 would be a solid value.

Like it or not, with our cap situation, Flowers and Wheeler will most likely be our best options at OT next season.
OL  
Archer : 1/19/2018 7:58 am : link
I do not want any stop gap players
The Giants need some good young players that they can start to build a line for the future
I would like to see a lot of young players competing for positions

The more significant issue is to have complementary players
Gettleman needs to determine what are line is and he needs to put similar type players together
Are the Giants “ hogs” or are the smaller zone blockers ?
Not So Fast moving EF to RT  
Joe in CT : 1/19/2018 8:31 am : link
Another issue with the O line is first who is going to be the coach, and how E. Flowers is going to be evaluated. Dave Diehl already has said that if E.F. has a problem with his feet playing LT then he will have the same problem moving over to the right side. So perhaps he might have to be moved to OG. Wheeler might eventually turn into a player with a good solid offseason (quality time spent in the weight room). He does need good competition though, this team needs quality depth along both lines.

Going to take a good F/A or two to come in along with a couple of draft picks to fortify both lines for next season imv.
RE: RE: What makes everyone think we’ll be capable  
giants#1 : 1/19/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13796120 paesan98 said:
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In comment 13796081 Simms11 said:


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of signing Norwell? He’s going to want a ton of money and why wouldn’t Carolina resign him?



I agree. I don't think 5 years/$60 million will do it. 4 years/$60 million might not be enough


The highest paid OTs earn $13.25M per season. What makes you think a OG is going to get $15M per?

At most, he'll get slightly more than Zeitler earned in FA last season (5 yrs/$60M) which is the highest AAV for a OG in the NFL.

As for Simms' question, the Panthers are already paying Trai Turner (4 yrs/$45M) and Matt Kalil (5 yrs/$55.5M) with both contracts starting last season and thus essentially impossible to move even if they liked Norwell more. Ryan Kalil is also set to have a cap # of $10.3M, but they could move on from him and reap $7.5M in savings if they chose.

Turner is the 3rd highest paid OG in the league behind Zeitler and Osemele, while Kalil ranks 12 among OTs (11th at LT).

So while the Panthers could try to re-sign Norwell, I think it's unlikely since that would tie up a ton of money in the OL, even excluding R Kalil.
Bishop fucking Sankey!?  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/19/2018 10:14 am : link
Oh hell no.
A telling comment re Shumur  
KeoweeFan : 1/19/2018 11:18 am : link
in several articles about his tenure in Cleveland was that he was criticised for starting younger players over vets, trading off a few wins for the future of that bottom dwelling team.
If Pat applies this philosophy to the OL he may elect to go with younger talent needing grooming vs the high priced alternatives; taking the longer road.

I think the best way for a Giant fan to enjoy the upcoming season is "one game at a time"; celebrate each victory and not count on the playoffs in 2018.
RE: Not So Fast moving EF to RT  
Jay on the Island : 1/19/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13796315 Joe in CT said:
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Another issue with the O line is first who is going to be the coach, and how E. Flowers is going to be evaluated. Dave Diehl already has said that if E.F. has a problem with his feet playing LT then he will have the same problem moving over to the right side. So perhaps he might have to be moved to OG. Wheeler might eventually turn into a player with a good solid offseason (quality time spent in the weight room). He does need good competition though, this team needs quality depth along both lines.

Going to take a good F/A or two to come in along with a couple of draft picks to fortify both lines for next season imv.

As you said the Giants need to add depth and talent to the offensive line. Even if they sign Norwell they will have a lot of work to do. I would be in full support of them using their 2nd and 3rd round picks on offensive linemen. Give me an OT in round 2 and G in round 3. Either Desmond Harrison or Kolton Miller in round 2 and G Isaiah Wynn in the 3rd. Harrison could compete with Wheeler at LT, Norwell would be at LG, Jones would compete with a vet or Richburg at C, Fluker and Wynn would battle for the RG spot, Flowers at RT. Harrison or Wheeler would be the swing tackle, the loser at C would be the backup along with Fluker.
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