Reminds me of Carson Wentz and Ben Roth rolled into one.
He's nothing like either one of them. Similar size, but that's where the similarities end. He's horrible. It isn't going to get better against better competition.
JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
Very good. Now how much of those losses were 100% on him. I get you want more production out of him, but was the team around him good enough to make it competitive in the passing game? How about his mechanics and foot work?
Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
you could win 2 Super Bowl MVP's but if your OL is awful people will think you can't play. That said I hope the Browns draft him at #1 and the Giants get to pick from everyone else.
Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
I just have hunch about this kid. I want to him play for the Giants for the next decade. I don't think the Giants have the courage to take him. I hope he kills it. Damn squib kick, i think he would have beat Alabama...That O would have been a nightmare match up for Saban.
Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Well I'm sure NFL scouts watch a little more than his highlights.
Look, I get it, we all are some kind of pro scout especially this time of the year. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone here watched 17 freaking Wyoming games in the last year and a half. Lets be honest here.
Allen is the type scouts drool over. Big athletic guy with a powerful arm and good release. "Tools rich" is what they call those guys or around these parts "the JPP of" QBs. Only natural he'll be talked about as a top pick at one point or another.
The problem is a guy like that is going to rely on great coaching and a few years marinating. He has to develop mentally. You can see he's making 1 or 2 reads at the most. Stares his targets down. Sometimes it looks like he may not even know what he's looking at. I'm no expert but it looks as if he gets a little loose in his mechanics and he loses control of the ball. Its like putting a 10 gauge in an kids arm. He needs to grow and develop so he has better control over it. And that may never happen. At this level it will come down to two things, 1. Work Ethic and 2. What's between the ears.
Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Well I'm sure NFL scouts watch a little more than his highlights.
Look, I get it, we all are some kind of pro scout especially this time of the year. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone here watched 17 freaking Wyoming games in the last year and a half. Lets be honest here.
Allen is the type scouts drool over. Big athletic guy with a powerful arm and good release. "Tools rich" is what they call those guys or around these parts "the JPP of" QBs. Only natural he'll be talked about as a top pick at one point or another.
The problem is a guy like that is going to rely on great coaching and a few years marinating. He has to develop mentally. You can see he's making 1 or 2 reads at the most. Stares his targets down. Sometimes it looks like he may not even know what he's looking at. I'm no expert but it looks as if he gets a little loose in his mechanics and he loses control of the ball. Its like putting a 10 gauge in an kids arm. He needs to grow and develop so he has better control over it. And that may never happen. At this level it will come down to two things, 1. Work Ethic and 2. What's between the ears.
You don't have to be a pro scout to realize a QB is just not accurate. You can easily just look at his completion % against piss poor competition. Or even just watch a handful of games. He makes a lot of garbage throws. You just don't teach accuracy.
Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Well I'm sure NFL scouts watch a little more than his highlights.
Look, I get it, we all are some kind of pro scout especially this time of the year. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone here watched 17 freaking Wyoming games in the last year and a half. Lets be honest here.
Allen is the type scouts drool over. Big athletic guy with a powerful arm and good release. "Tools rich" is what they call those guys or around these parts "the JPP of" QBs. Only natural he'll be talked about as a top pick at one point or another.
The problem is a guy like that is going to rely on great coaching and a few years marinating. He has to develop mentally. You can see he's making 1 or 2 reads at the most. Stares his targets down. Sometimes it looks like he may not even know what he's looking at. I'm no expert but it looks as if he gets a little loose in his mechanics and he loses control of the ball. Its like putting a 10 gauge in an kids arm. He needs to grow and develop so he has better control over it. And that may never happen. At this level it will come down to two things, 1. Work Ethic and 2. What's between the ears.
You don't have to be a pro scout to realize a QB is just not accurate. You can easily just look at his completion % against piss poor competition. Or even just watch a handful of games. He makes a lot of garbage throws. You just don't teach accuracy.
Like I said in this thread and others, he's very inaccurate. I don't believe anyone here is saying he is.. But its finding where that inaccuracy is coming from is where good coaching comes in. It may be mechanics, it might be that he's throwing with too much power. A good coach will find the cause and with a good work ethic they can improve his accuracy.
But the notion that he's only a top pick if you just watch the highlights is off base. Theres a reason he was the talk of the Manning passing camp this past summer and that was with Darnold there. The guy has an unbelievable arm. If you remember Dan Marino and Brett Favre weren't the most accurate QBs either. Don't be so quick to write him off.
And we have to keep in mind its about fit. The Browns may feel Allen is a better fit than Darnold. I know a few people are worried about Darnolds looping throwing motion and there's concerns about his hands being too small.
Just for the record, I prefer the quick release accurate QBs to any. And I think Rosen and Mayfield are the best fits for Shurmur.
His accuracy is so bad I don't think there is anything you can do to fix it. A lot of the time he's not even close to hitting his receiver. He's just simply not a good football player. He's a bigger Kyle Boller. We saw how that turned out. If I was the Giants I wouldn't touch him until Round 3. Actually I probably wouldn't draft him at all. Davis Webb is a better QB. Allen is also a year older then Darnold & Rosen. There is absolutely no reason anybody should prefer Allen to Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield.
He is someone I really would love to see throwing pro route combinations. Probably more than just about any QB in this draft, he is one that I would want to see on the white board and giving thoughts on game film because the talent is there but he was not playing in an offensive conducive to transferring to pro game
This could be a great development for the Giants Â
Elway reportedly is already very high on Allen. If Allen has a great week of practice and plays well during the game then that could be enough to convince the Broncos that Allen is their guy. If the Giants begin to leak information that they love Allen and he is their guy the Broncos would probably try to move up to #1 in order to grab Allen. If the Browns do trade down the Giants will have Darnold fall into their laps.
There have been a lot of rumors for a while now that John Dorsey loves Allen and will take him #1 overall. Which would be absolutely awesome for us. Might even be able to move down to 4 and still get the QB we want.
I personally want Rosen, but I wouldn't be upset with Darnold. Shurmur has seemed to favor a little more mobile QB so I'm curious if Mayfield is a legit option at 2. Although it doesn't really matter to me. I'm perfectly fine with Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield at 2.
JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
In what world was a 3-9 Hawaii team among the best four that Wyoming played this year? How did Allen do against Central Michigan, which entered their bowl game with a top-5 nationally ranked lass defense?
His accuracy is so bad I don't think there is anything you can do to fix it. A lot of the time he's not even close to hitting his receiver. He's just simply not a good football player. He's a bigger Kyle Boller. We saw how that turned out. If I was the Giants I wouldn't touch him until Round 3. Actually I probably wouldn't draft him at all. Davis Webb is a better QB. Allen is also a year older then Darnold & Rosen. There is absolutely no reason anybody should prefer Allen to Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield.
I’ve watched nearly every snap of Allen’s from the last two years and could not disagree more. Time will tell.
It’s said often but I can’t overstate how poor Wyoming’s talent is... Â
For example, the only mistake Allen made here was not walking the ball to the receiver and handing it to him- then his completion numbers against the best team he faced would’ve been 60% rather than 57%. Dime - ( New Window )
RE: It’s said often but I can’t overstate how poor Wyoming’s talent is... Â
For example, the only mistake Allen made here was not walking the ball to the receiver and handing it to him- then his completion numbers against the best team he faced would’ve been 60% rather than 57%. Dime - ( New Window )
Drops are part of the game. That could be said for any QB. I take it your a Wyoming fan? So obviously you are bias towards him. His adjusted completion % was 51.4% against the rush which takes into account on target passes that are dropped. That's good for 79th among draft eligible QBs in college.
His first season in college football he played for a JUCO team and completed less then 50% of his passes. He's quite simply not an accurate passer.
His accuracy is so bad I don't think there is anything you can do to fix it. A lot of the time he's not even close to hitting his receiver. He's just simply not a good football player. He's a bigger Kyle Boller. We saw how that turned out. If I was the Giants I wouldn't touch him until Round 3. Actually I probably wouldn't draft him at all. Davis Webb is a better QB. Allen is also a year older then Darnold & Rosen. There is absolutely no reason anybody should prefer Allen to Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield.
Well I don't think there's any reason to believe he can't improve.. If Mike Vicks accuracy can improve with good coaching so can Josh Allens. And lets not forget Eli Manning wasn't the most accurate passer at the start of his career either.
LOL
...Josh Allen goes #1.
Reminds me of Carson Wentz and Ben Roth rolled into one.
...Josh Allen goes #1.
Reminds me of Carson Wentz and Ben Roth rolled into one.
He's nothing like either one of them. Similar size, but that's where the similarities end. He's horrible. It isn't going to get better against better competition.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
Well that's not good!
Where are you going to have Allen graded?
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JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
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His toughest games produced his worst performances
Where are you going to have Allen graded?
Likely 2nd rounder
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JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
Persuasive. Thanks.
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JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
Very good. Now how much of those losses were 100% on him. I get you want more production out of him, but was the team around him good enough to make it competitive in the passing game? How about his mechanics and foot work?
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
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Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
No way 1st overall.
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Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Well I'm sure NFL scouts watch a little more than his highlights.
Look, I get it, we all are some kind of pro scout especially this time of the year. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone here watched 17 freaking Wyoming games in the last year and a half. Lets be honest here.
Allen is the type scouts drool over. Big athletic guy with a powerful arm and good release. "Tools rich" is what they call those guys or around these parts "the JPP of" QBs. Only natural he'll be talked about as a top pick at one point or another.
The problem is a guy like that is going to rely on great coaching and a few years marinating. He has to develop mentally. You can see he's making 1 or 2 reads at the most. Stares his targets down. Sometimes it looks like he may not even know what he's looking at. I'm no expert but it looks as if he gets a little loose in his mechanics and he loses control of the ball. Its like putting a 10 gauge in an kids arm. He needs to grow and develop so he has better control over it. And that may never happen. At this level it will come down to two things, 1. Work Ethic and 2. What's between the ears.
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Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Well I'm sure NFL scouts watch a little more than his highlights.
Look, I get it, we all are some kind of pro scout especially this time of the year. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone here watched 17 freaking Wyoming games in the last year and a half. Lets be honest here.
Allen is the type scouts drool over. Big athletic guy with a powerful arm and good release. "Tools rich" is what they call those guys or around these parts "the JPP of" QBs. Only natural he'll be talked about as a top pick at one point or another.
The problem is a guy like that is going to rely on great coaching and a few years marinating. He has to develop mentally. You can see he's making 1 or 2 reads at the most. Stares his targets down. Sometimes it looks like he may not even know what he's looking at. I'm no expert but it looks as if he gets a little loose in his mechanics and he loses control of the ball. Its like putting a 10 gauge in an kids arm. He needs to grow and develop so he has better control over it. And that may never happen. At this level it will come down to two things, 1. Work Ethic and 2. What's between the ears.
You don't have to be a pro scout to realize a QB is just not accurate. You can easily just look at his completion % against piss poor competition. Or even just watch a handful of games. He makes a lot of garbage throws. You just don't teach accuracy.
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Aren't good. Relies on arm strength and it shows. Sure he's athletic, but if you can't get it done against those kind of college teams how are you going to throw on an NFL CB? Late round 2 or early round 3 is the earliest I'd take him. Way too much of a project.
Spot on. Watched two of his games. Do not know a ton about him, but from what I've seen he's consistently not good. Makes a few throws that will wow you. If you judge him just based on his youtube highlights, you'll see a #1 overall pick.
Well I'm sure NFL scouts watch a little more than his highlights.
Look, I get it, we all are some kind of pro scout especially this time of the year. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone here watched 17 freaking Wyoming games in the last year and a half. Lets be honest here.
Allen is the type scouts drool over. Big athletic guy with a powerful arm and good release. "Tools rich" is what they call those guys or around these parts "the JPP of" QBs. Only natural he'll be talked about as a top pick at one point or another.
The problem is a guy like that is going to rely on great coaching and a few years marinating. He has to develop mentally. You can see he's making 1 or 2 reads at the most. Stares his targets down. Sometimes it looks like he may not even know what he's looking at. I'm no expert but it looks as if he gets a little loose in his mechanics and he loses control of the ball. Its like putting a 10 gauge in an kids arm. He needs to grow and develop so he has better control over it. And that may never happen. At this level it will come down to two things, 1. Work Ethic and 2. What's between the ears.
You don't have to be a pro scout to realize a QB is just not accurate. You can easily just look at his completion % against piss poor competition. Or even just watch a handful of games. He makes a lot of garbage throws. You just don't teach accuracy.
Like I said in this thread and others, he's very inaccurate. I don't believe anyone here is saying he is.. But its finding where that inaccuracy is coming from is where good coaching comes in. It may be mechanics, it might be that he's throwing with too much power. A good coach will find the cause and with a good work ethic they can improve his accuracy.
But the notion that he's only a top pick if you just watch the highlights is off base. Theres a reason he was the talk of the Manning passing camp this past summer and that was with Darnold there. The guy has an unbelievable arm. If you remember Dan Marino and Brett Favre weren't the most accurate QBs either. Don't be so quick to write him off.
And we have to keep in mind its about fit. The Browns may feel Allen is a better fit than Darnold. I know a few people are worried about Darnolds looping throwing motion and there's concerns about his hands being too small.
Just for the record, I prefer the quick release accurate QBs to any. And I think Rosen and Mayfield are the best fits for Shurmur.
I personally want Rosen, but I wouldn't be upset with Darnold. Shurmur has seemed to favor a little more mobile QB so I'm curious if Mayfield is a legit option at 2. Although it doesn't really matter to me. I'm perfectly fine with Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield at 2.
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JaMarcus Russell then Wentz/Ben. Big guy with a huge arm & no accuracy at all. Who constantly makes bad decisions.
Please tell us how much you have scouted him over the past year, and the hours of film you have watched on him?
I've watched 7 games of his this year and 10 last year. He's not very good. Go look at him against decent teams.
Iowa - 57% passing with 174 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Oregon - 37% passing with 64 yards passing 0 TDs and 1 INT
Hawaii - 47% passing with 94 yards passing 1 TD and 0 INT
Boise State - 44% passing with 131 yards passing 1 TD and 2 INTs
So against the 4 best teams he played (Who are all average at best) he had a 46 completion percentage and he averaged 115 yards passing. He had 2 TDs & 5 INTs in those games. What a stud.
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Drops are part of the game. That could be said for any QB. I take it your a Wyoming fan? So obviously you are bias towards him. His adjusted completion % was 51.4% against the rush which takes into account on target passes that are dropped. That's good for 79th among draft eligible QBs in college.
His first season in college football he played for a JUCO team and completed less then 50% of his passes. He's quite simply not an accurate passer.
Well I don't think there's any reason to believe he can't improve.. If Mike Vicks accuracy can improve with good coaching so can Josh Allens. And lets not forget Eli Manning wasn't the most accurate passer at the start of his career either.