Go on the Record for your preference of Drafted QB

I think both will be good pros, with a slight preference for Rosen.

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but the health stuff has me leaning Darnold now.

Accuracy and grit. Take him at #2 if you believe in him.

but I would bet they go Barkley, and I'm ok with that.

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He may be the best QB of the bunch. But is he going to flourish under the hot lights of NY? I am thinking that he will not.

It has to be a good fit. Roethlisberger is probably physically a better QB than Eli. But he would have been a disaster in NY. And he was my guy in 2004 (Miami U alum).

Something feels wrong about Rosen.

draft a RB, then get an OL player in Rd 2

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to make an informed decision.

In DG I trust ...

He’s the guy that highest ceiling. I would love him in blue.

I think the injury things are not as big as people are making them seem. He is an incredibly smart kid, the most pro ready, and has shown he has the skills to compete at this level. No QB in this class is as accurate as him period. Coach him up on how to take a hit and protect himself better, Eli would be a good mentor for that.

In comment 13796621 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13796599 lionbull said: Quote: I believe that Eli has at least 2 years left if Shurmur is our HC and I believe that Davis Webb can be developed in our future starter. I'm just curious as to what he has done to give you such conviction? He couldn't beat out Geno Smith for the #2 spot all season and there were several concerns about his deep accuracy, mechanics, and ability to read defenses. What concerns me is that Webb has all these issues despite being the son of a football coach. I know this kid works very hard and has the work ethic to be great I just don't think he has the ability to ever be more than a capable backup. Passing on a QB because of Davis Webb would be absurd.

Couldn't beat out Geno Smith??? He was never given the opportunity. The whole way this team and roster were put together this past year was pathetic. With Eli's history of not missing time Webb should have been the backup. Geno smith being the backup because we might need a VET QB to take us to the playoffs if Eli got hurt was beyond stupid. Webb was basically moth balled the whole year.

I think he will prove to be the best QB over time. Looks like a Big Ben clone to me. Looked at some of his games on YouTube, his completion percentage is low in large part due to the amount of times he has to throw the ball away. His accuracy was generally good and his arm is incredible.

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And trade down.

In comment 13796649 NNJ Tom said:

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Haven't been this sure since Leaf.

I hope you're basing this on health, Rosen is easily the best passer, and far and away the most NFL ready.

In comment 13796621 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13796599 lionbull said: Quote: I believe that Eli has at least 2 years left if Shurmur is our HC and I believe that Davis Webb can be developed in our future starter. I'm just curious as to what he has done to give you such conviction? He couldn't beat out Geno Smith for the #2 spot all season and there were several concerns about his deep accuracy, mechanics, and ability to read defenses. What concerns me is that Webb has all these issues despite being the son of a football coach. I know this kid works very hard and has the work ethic to be great I just don't think he has the ability to ever be more than a capable backup. Passing on a QB because of Davis Webb would be absurd.

I agree that there is some risk...I just don't agree with all the critique of Davis Webb...I think he has way more promise to develop under a HC who knows how to maximize his abilities and if we are not able to pick a QB in the future then it's because Eli flourished under Shurmur. If that happens then please tell me how we all know Davis won't do the same.

bigger, stronger more mobile than Rosen.

Mayfield too short. Allen too raw. Intrigued by Jackson and Rudolph but that would probably be a trade down scenario.

Shurmur has coached a lot of young QB's. Gives me confidence that we'll make a solid choice.

If we can trade back and get him, great.

He's not perfect, but neither are the other guys. And none of the other guys have a trait that is as high level as Jackson's athleticism.

If Shurmur is indeed the next coach, he appears to be as qualified as anyone to design an offense tailored to the quarterback's strength. Given that, why not take the quarterback with the best strength?

workouts etc before going on the record?

He was number one out of HS for a reason, as best I can tell. When he's out of pads at the combine, it's going to be obvious that his "frame" is easily NFL QB caliber.

Darnold or Allen I'd be OK with, but there's a nag about lack of experience/pedigree. Mayfield or Jackson would be stomach-drops.

Out of this draft class I like Darnold the most though

He is the one I'd like here, especially with a trade down id possible.

to make a decision on these guys before the all-star games, their personal workouts, and the combine.
Is Mayfield really 6"1'?
How fast is Jackson?
How strong are all of their arms?
How accurate are all of them in head to head passing drills?
Will Rosen's shoulder pass in his physical? Heck, will he get a concussion when he steps on the scale?

No one knows the full story on any of these guys until they go through these evaluations.

Might be more fruitful to start digging for developmental types like Brandon Silvers and Riley Ferguson, who can be had in the 3rd round.

What is it about individual drills that you learn that you can't learn from watching them play against live competition?

The combine workouts are finishing touches to a resume. It shouldn't be a reason to change your mind from everything you thought you knew based on real games.

Things like medical stuff are the obvious exception, but are we really still putting much stock in athletic tests outside of a game and without any equipment on? If Barkley runs a bad 40, he's suddenly not a really good back?

than I would pick Darnold.

If we cut Eli this offseason as we should, I would go Rosen.

I haven't watched more than three or four games for most of them (none with Allen), and I think seeing all of them in more standardized conditions and getting accurate physical stats can answer a lot of questions. Maybe for some of these QBs their combine, workout and all-star game performances (game and practice) won't significantly change their evaluations but it sure has for many players in years past.

Not saying that it's not fun to discuss, but some of the earnestness in some of these stated choices is a little dumbfounding to me at this early point.

I haven't watched more than three or four games for most of them (none with Allen), and I think seeing all of them in more standardized conditions and getting accurate physical stats can answer a lot of questions. Maybe for some of these QBs their combine, workout and all-star game performances (game and practice) won't significantly change their evaluations but it sure has for many players in years past.

Not saying that it's not fun to discuss, but some of the earnestness in some of these stated choices is a little dumbfounding to me at this early point.

And it's not even really that close for me.

Doesn't have the health/personality concerns that Rosen has which scares me away from drafting Rosen at 2. And I think sitting behind Eli and learning from him for at least a year would do wonders for Darnold.

I want to see Rosen's measurements at the combine. I'd like to see Allen at the Senior Bowl. Based on what I know now and have seen, Darnold is the clear-cut choice, but there's a lot that can happen between now and the draft.

Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Rudolph, Jackson, Allen.

and either take Barkley or trade down in the deal is right.

Start w Eli, but give Webb every chance to compete. Trade down and build the roster. Take a QB next year if Webb is not the answer.

In comment 13797158 Jimmy Googs said:

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than I would pick Darnold. If we cut Eli this offseason as we should, I would go Rosen.

what are people not seeing in Eli Manning, his game is shot and his age is against it getting any better, time to move on and get better at the QB position....

But my opinion isn t worth the ink I used to write my choice with, had I used ink.

But regardless, I watched Darnold against Penn State in last year s Bowl, wishing the Giants could get this guy and knowing there would be no chance.

Then Presto: thanks to MacAdoo, there is.

Rosen Allen. I want no part of Mayfield. I think Jackson will be fine, but he’s not going to get picked at #2.

In comment 13796649 NNJ Tom said:

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Haven't been this sure since Leaf.

Huh? Do you even watch these guys? He's far and away the best QB in this draft. He's also only 20.

Have you ever watched the guy? What does he do well in your opinion? He's absolutely terrible. It looks like he is throwing the ball blindfolded. Yeah he's big and that's about where the positives stop. He's got bad footwork, bad mechanics and absolutely no accuracy. He's a skinnier JaMarcus Russell. I could see someone justifying it if he played in the SEC or something, but he's in the Mountain West. How does anybody think his accuracy or decision making will get better when he actually plays against good players.

Just watch the guy play. Not just a highlight reel. He's BAD.

In just the Mountain West here are where he ranks for QB stats. This is out of 11 QBs

Yards - 7th
TDs - 5th
INTs - 7th
Completion % - 8th
Yards per attempt - 10th
Yards per completion -
QB Rating - 7th
Fumbles lost (Any MWC player) - 4th

I'd have to take Mayfield. Jackson is intriguing but based on the RG3 story, I'll take Baker. He actually has "IT", whatever that is. NFL defenders will have trouble trying to sack him.

time for a change in style and temperment

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You're right. I need to see some game film on Allen. I liked his highlights but everyone's highlights look great. I got infatuated with his physical numbers. I wish Rosen didn't have the concussion problems. Darnold handling a cold football terrifies me.

and he can be had later in the first or even the second round.

In comment 13797457 Marty866b said:

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You're right. I need to see some game film on Allen. I liked his highlights but everyone's highlights look great. I got infatuated with his physical numbers. I wish Rosen didn't have the concussion problems. Darnold handling a cold football terrifies me.

Yeah everybody has good highlights including Allen. Watching every snap of his and you'll have a completely different opinion. He's just flat out not a good football player. Bad mechanics, footwork, accuracy, decision making. Also his football IQ doesn't seem very high at certain times. Makes a lot of bad decisions. Great size and athletic ability and that's where the positives end.

Skilled warrior who makes plays with his feet and pinpoint throws.