Go on the Record for your preference of Drafted QB

until the red flag health issues. At 2 Darnold. If he is not there then we trade back or go RB

this is based on Eli playing for the next 1 or 2 years

Just a feeling if they go QB it will be him because he seems to be pro ready. Starting to believe Giants may keep Eli and Webb and draft Barkley.

Hands down

And yes at 2.

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to amass picks and take Jackson.

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I may change my min before the draft.. but as of now he has had the best career in college football..

For reasons stated by Superspy. But I bet CLE takes him.

I'm very interested in Mayfield, tho I'm sure I'm in a small minority. Don't know if I'd spend #2, but trade down a few spots and get a second second-rounder(?)

Therefore it'll be Rosen.

trade back to #5/6 and get at least 2019 #1, 2018 #2 and #3. Grab Barkley (long shot), Chubb, Fitz, or Nelson, then add RB, OL, LB and a wildcard with the 4 picks in rds 2-3.

Darnold (slow delivery doesn't bother me enough), Rosen (health issues are concerning but I've come around on his personality and his skills are A+), or Mayfield (size not an issue for me, he's a competitor who plays with a chip on his shoulder and runs a highly efficient offense).

Will be downright shocked if they don't go QB with the #2 pick.

Has the feet...fiery( the good and the bad)..and the type arm it seems the possession system / move the chains type QB I think the Giants are looking for. And the Darnold 'it' factor.
Then again...I liked Gary Wood.
Won't happen but he's my pick.

Darnold if he's there.

If he's not, I'm not sure that I wouldn't try to trade back a few spots (stay in top 10) and get Mayfield or Allen. Just scared of Rosen's concussions and shoulder, now.

He seems like a scary sort of all-potential pick, the type of big-arm prototype looking guy that ends up being blake bortles

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I want regardless of at #2 or elsewhere. He is the Favre of this group.

My second option is Allen and then Darnold. I do not want Rosen at all.

In comment 13796344 cjac said:

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this is based on Eli playing for the next 1 or 2 years

My vote too.

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But I could settle on Darnold

He'll be there in the 2nd and him and Webb can feed off each other.

Trade down for OL.

Rd 2. Falk
Rd 3 silvers

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We are in the beginning of the process ask me after the combine

alternate scenario would be to take Barkley and trade back in for Jackson.

Saquon Barkley, OL and DL the rest of the draft with a sprinkle of FA OL linemen to block for Barkley.

and draft Barkley at #2.

of right now, in this order:

Kurt Benkert - 4th, maybe 3rd round, depending on combine and pro day results.
No QB.
Josh Allen at #2.
Sam Darnold at #2.

And Trade Down again, they must acquire picks in this draft, and they can load up with a #2 pick, I would say that they should try to acquire a QB while trading down, in that scenario I would say Baker Mayfield, I think he could slip into the 8-12 pick, Giants would acquire plenty trading back in that area.

I really don't follow college ball and the draft like I used to.

I feel like they gotta come out of round 1 with a qb. Whether that's Rosen or darnold with the 2, or a trade down for Allen or mayfield. I'd be happy with anything as long as it's a qb

they will not take a QB and load up on OL and find a rB and go with Eli. I do remember our QB/Punter Gary Wood.

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In comment 13796356 chuckydee9 said:

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I may change my min before the draft.. but as of now he has had the best career in college football..

which basically means nothing in terms of what it means for the pros. Not saying you can't like Baker, college careers transitioning to the NFL pretty much mean nothing.

You trade down and still get a QB.. but this isn’t a perfect world.

Stay at 2 draft Josh Rosen

of any..it would be Darnold. Rosen if Darnold is gone.

Guy is going to win a lot of games with NFL talent around him.

With Allen a close second and Mayfield a not too distant third.

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The best combination of accuracy, size and ability to play in a pro-style offense.

trade down to 5 - 9, take Mayfield or trade down further and take Jackson.

...followed by Allen. IMO there is a serious dropoff after these two.

heard a great Asian qb that can fling shit across the yard

but I mayfield is climbing. Think he would be the perfect fit with Shurmur

The Manning, Rivers, Big Ben class having this many question marks?

Im going to go on record and say I want Rosen. The premise is, if Shurmur is the coach, he will be in the perfect situation to succeed without having to start within the first year. I've always felt that he had the most raw talent and the higher ceiling.

Ultimately will be the best pro out of this QB class with the right development, which Shurmur will provide for him.

Allen is the athletic freak who needs more technical work. I feel he'll be the second QB off the board.

I think he is Drew Brees/Russel Wilson. There is no top 20 QB in the NFL that had a college completion percentage under 60%. Accuracy and Efficiency are the most reliable predictors of NFL success.

appears to have all the intangibles, including being a winner.

After we get past the height, "cannon" arm, running ability and other pure athletic traits, I think the truly successful QB's posses an ability to recognize defenses and audible to counter, a keen pocket presence and awareness and "escapability", ability to scan the field for targets (vs. locking in), "enough" arm strength but superior accuracy, the ability to lead and raise the confidence level of those around him, the ability to move the chains in a number of ways. I would like to see a QB who outperformed the talent around him (the Giants will need this) and who was not just the beneficiary of great field position because he played on a team with a great defense. I would think that the evaluation is a multifaceted process, involving football "smarts" in addition to just strength and speed. I believe the Gruden features (QB Camp) prior to the last drafts gave some insight --I recall Dak Prescott doing well when included in the top names that particular year. This is a very tough and involved process and I don't believe any but the truly "connected" have a real insight.

In comment 13796352 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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to amass picks and take Jackson.

i dont hate that idea

2. Sam Darnold
3. Baker Mayfield
4. Josh Rosen
5. Lamar Jackson

I believe that Eli has at least 2 years left if Shurmur is our HC and I believe that Davis Webb can be developed in our future starter.

because JonC likes him (I think) and he knows more than me. Rosen concussion history scares me.

I need to see more of him but Darnold with a cold football makes me nervous and does Rosen's concussion problems. If Rosen checks out physically, I would go with him.

In comment 13796599 lionbull said:

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I believe that Eli has at least 2 years left if Shurmur is our HC and I believe that Davis Webb can be developed in our future starter.

I'm just curious as to what he has done to give you such conviction? He couldn't beat out Geno Smith for the #2 spot all season and there were several concerns about his deep accuracy, mechanics, and ability to read defenses. What concerns me is that Webb has all these issues despite being the son of a football coach. I know this kid works very hard and has the work ethic to be great I just don't think he has the ability to ever be more than a capable backup. Passing on a QB because of Davis Webb would be absurd.

Webb's sole usefulness will be as a career backup. Even sitting a year, he'll be nowhere near being able to unseat a draftee, nor will he get the chance absent an injury.

I would give a slight edge to Darnold with Allen a close second. If it wasn't for the concussion's and shoulder injury I would have Rosen as my top choice. I am a big fan of Mayfield but I just don't see the Giants taking him.

In comment 13796628 Jay on the Island said:

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I would give a slight edge to Darnold with Allen a close second. If it wasn't for the concussion's and shoulder injury I would have Rosen as my top choice. I am a big fan of Mayfield but I just don't see the Giants taking him.

This is exactly how I feel. Darnold followed by Allen for the reasons you stated

if given the chance to develop for a year or two behind Eli. He needs his mechanics corrected but can be very special.

In comment 13796404 Trainmaster said:

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and draft Barkley at #2.

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This

Haven't been this sure since Leaf.

I will defer to combine performance.
I would test them all in 30 degree windy conditions. The thing that concerns me is both Rosen and Darnold are California boys through and through.
Yes, Rogers and Eli were warm weather exceptions,but definitely something to consider in decision.

I think both will be good pros, with a slight preference for Rosen.

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but the health stuff has me leaning Darnold now.

Accuracy and grit. Take him at #2 if you believe in him.

but I would bet they go Barkley, and I'm ok with that.

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He may be the best QB of the bunch. But is he going to flourish under the hot lights of NY? I am thinking that he will not.

It has to be a good fit. Roethlisberger is probably physically a better QB than Eli. But he would have been a disaster in NY. And he was my guy in 2004 (Miami U alum).

Something feels wrong about Rosen.

draft a RB, then get an OL player in Rd 2

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to make an informed decision.

In DG I trust ...

He’s the guy that highest ceiling. I would love him in blue.

I think the injury things are not as big as people are making them seem. He is an incredibly smart kid, the most pro ready, and has shown he has the skills to compete at this level. No QB in this class is as accurate as him period. Coach him up on how to take a hit and protect himself better, Eli would be a good mentor for that.

In comment 13796621 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13796599 lionbull said: Quote: I believe that Eli has at least 2 years left if Shurmur is our HC and I believe that Davis Webb can be developed in our future starter. I'm just curious as to what he has done to give you such conviction? He couldn't beat out Geno Smith for the #2 spot all season and there were several concerns about his deep accuracy, mechanics, and ability to read defenses. What concerns me is that Webb has all these issues despite being the son of a football coach. I know this kid works very hard and has the work ethic to be great I just don't think he has the ability to ever be more than a capable backup. Passing on a QB because of Davis Webb would be absurd.

Couldn't beat out Geno Smith??? He was never given the opportunity. The whole way this team and roster were put together this past year was pathetic. With Eli's history of not missing time Webb should have been the backup. Geno smith being the backup because we might need a VET QB to take us to the playoffs if Eli got hurt was beyond stupid. Webb was basically moth balled the whole year.

I think he will prove to be the best QB over time. Looks like a Big Ben clone to me. Looked at some of his games on YouTube, his completion percentage is low in large part due to the amount of times he has to throw the ball away. His accuracy was generally good and his arm is incredible.

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And trade down.

In comment 13796649 NNJ Tom said:

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Haven't been this sure since Leaf.

I hope you're basing this on health, Rosen is easily the best passer, and far and away the most NFL ready.

In comment 13796621 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13796599 lionbull said: Quote: I believe that Eli has at least 2 years left if Shurmur is our HC and I believe that Davis Webb can be developed in our future starter. I'm just curious as to what he has done to give you such conviction? He couldn't beat out Geno Smith for the #2 spot all season and there were several concerns about his deep accuracy, mechanics, and ability to read defenses. What concerns me is that Webb has all these issues despite being the son of a football coach. I know this kid works very hard and has the work ethic to be great I just don't think he has the ability to ever be more than a capable backup. Passing on a QB because of Davis Webb would be absurd.

I agree that there is some risk...I just don't agree with all the critique of Davis Webb...I think he has way more promise to develop under a HC who knows how to maximize his abilities and if we are not able to pick a QB in the future then it's because Eli flourished under Shurmur. If that happens then please tell me how we all know Davis won't do the same.

bigger, stronger more mobile than Rosen.

Mayfield too short. Allen too raw. Intrigued by Jackson and Rudolph but that would probably be a trade down scenario.

Shurmur has coached a lot of young QB's. Gives me confidence that we'll make a solid choice.

If we can trade back and get him, great.

He's not perfect, but neither are the other guys. And none of the other guys have a trait that is as high level as Jackson's athleticism.

If Shurmur is indeed the next coach, he appears to be as qualified as anyone to design an offense tailored to the quarterback's strength. Given that, why not take the quarterback with the best strength?

workouts etc before going on the record?

He was number one out of HS for a reason, as best I can tell. When he's out of pads at the combine, it's going to be obvious that his "frame" is easily NFL QB caliber.

Darnold or Allen I'd be OK with, but there's a nag about lack of experience/pedigree. Mayfield or Jackson would be stomach-drops.

Out of this draft class I like Darnold the most though

He is the one I'd like here, especially with a trade down id possible.

to make a decision on these guys before the all-star games, their personal workouts, and the combine.
Is Mayfield really 6"1'?
How fast is Jackson?
How strong are all of their arms?
How accurate are all of them in head to head passing drills?
Will Rosen's shoulder pass in his physical? Heck, will he get a concussion when he steps on the scale?

No one knows the full story on any of these guys until they go through these evaluations.

Might be more fruitful to start digging for developmental types like Brandon Silvers and Riley Ferguson, who can be had in the 3rd round.

What is it about individual drills that you learn that you can't learn from watching them play against live competition?

The combine workouts are finishing touches to a resume. It shouldn't be a reason to change your mind from everything you thought you knew based on real games.

Things like medical stuff are the obvious exception, but are we really still putting much stock in athletic tests outside of a game and without any equipment on? If Barkley runs a bad 40, he's suddenly not a really good back?

than I would pick Darnold.

If we cut Eli this offseason as we should, I would go Rosen.

I haven't watched more than three or four games for most of them (none with Allen), and I think seeing all of them in more standardized conditions and getting accurate physical stats can answer a lot of questions. Maybe for some of these QBs their combine, workout and all-star game performances (game and practice) won't significantly change their evaluations but it sure has for many players in years past.

Not saying that it's not fun to discuss, but some of the earnestness in some of these stated choices is a little dumbfounding to me at this early point.

I haven't watched more than three or four games for most of them (none with Allen), and I think seeing all of them in more standardized conditions and getting accurate physical stats can answer a lot of questions. Maybe for some of these QBs their combine, workout and all-star game performances (game and practice) won't significantly change their evaluations but it sure has for many players in years past.

Not saying that it's not fun to discuss, but some of the earnestness in some of these stated choices is a little dumbfounding to me at this early point.

And it's not even really that close for me.

Doesn't have the health/personality concerns that Rosen has which scares me away from drafting Rosen at 2. And I think sitting behind Eli and learning from him for at least a year would do wonders for Darnold.

I want to see Rosen's measurements at the combine. I'd like to see Allen at the Senior Bowl. Based on what I know now and have seen, Darnold is the clear-cut choice, but there's a lot that can happen between now and the draft.

Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Rudolph, Jackson, Allen.

and either take Barkley or trade down in the deal is right.

Start w Eli, but give Webb every chance to compete. Trade down and build the roster. Take a QB next year if Webb is not the answer.

In comment 13797158 Jimmy Googs said:

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than I would pick Darnold. If we cut Eli this offseason as we should, I would go Rosen.

what are people not seeing in Eli Manning, his game is shot and his age is against it getting any better, time to move on and get better at the QB position....

But my opinion isn t worth the ink I used to write my choice with, had I used ink.

But regardless, I watched Darnold against Penn State in last year s Bowl, wishing the Giants could get this guy and knowing there would be no chance.

Then Presto: thanks to MacAdoo, there is.

Rosen Allen. I want no part of Mayfield. I think Jackson will be fine, but he’s not going to get picked at #2.

In comment 13796649 NNJ Tom said:

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Haven't been this sure since Leaf.

Huh? Do you even watch these guys? He's far and away the best QB in this draft. He's also only 20.

Have you ever watched the guy? What does he do well in your opinion? He's absolutely terrible. It looks like he is throwing the ball blindfolded. Yeah he's big and that's about where the positives stop. He's got bad footwork, bad mechanics and absolutely no accuracy. He's a skinnier JaMarcus Russell. I could see someone justifying it if he played in the SEC or something, but he's in the Mountain West. How does anybody think his accuracy or decision making will get better when he actually plays against good players.

Just watch the guy play. Not just a highlight reel. He's BAD.

In just the Mountain West here are where he ranks for QB stats. This is out of 11 QBs

Yards - 7th
TDs - 5th
INTs - 7th
Completion % - 8th
Yards per attempt - 10th
Yards per completion -
QB Rating - 7th
Fumbles lost (Any MWC player) - 4th

I'd have to take Mayfield. Jackson is intriguing but based on the RG3 story, I'll take Baker. He actually has "IT", whatever that is. NFL defenders will have trouble trying to sack him.

time for a change in style and temperment

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You're right. I need to see some game film on Allen. I liked his highlights but everyone's highlights look great. I got infatuated with his physical numbers. I wish Rosen didn't have the concussion problems. Darnold handling a cold football terrifies me.

and he can be had later in the first or even the second round.

In comment 13797457 Marty866b said:

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You're right. I need to see some game film on Allen. I liked his highlights but everyone's highlights look great. I got infatuated with his physical numbers. I wish Rosen didn't have the concussion problems. Darnold handling a cold football terrifies me.

Yeah everybody has good highlights including Allen. Watching every snap of his and you'll have a completely different opinion. He's just flat out not a good football player. Bad mechanics, footwork, accuracy, decision making. Also his football IQ doesn't seem very high at certain times. Makes a lot of bad decisions. Great size and athletic ability and that's where the positives end.

Skilled warrior who makes plays with his feet and pinpoint throws.