Lamar Jackson

you guys never watched him play.


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In comment 13796385 The_Boss said:

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I want absolutely no part of him.

Front office guys also thought Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder were top 15 qbs

In comment 13796382 gtt350 said:

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Lol +1

going on here.

Will he ever be a good enough passer to be a pure pocket passer? If not, these guys always, always get hurt. Once they do, half their game is gone.

At a high level? No.

In comment 13796480 oldutican said:

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going on here.

Yep.

I think he could make a good receiver. Take him in the 3rd.

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Doesn't fit HoustonGiant : 9:13 am : link : reply our style.

I'm not sure what style our currently non-existant coaching staff runs.

Russel Wilson than rg3. Jackson when protection breaks down keeps his eyes upfield and progress through is receivers. Like Wilson his last option is to take off unlike the RG3s who see their 1st read covered and take off.

In comment 13796557 Thegratefulhead said:

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I think he could make a good receiver. Take him in the 3rd.

Convinced we're taking Josh Allen, linebacker from Wyoming in the 3rd, sorry.

FFS!

Lamar is amazing. Bill Polian is a dinosaur. Wish the Giants had the balls to draft him.

kidding me??

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Jackson is much closer to CromartiesKid21 : 10:23 am : link : reply Russel Wilson than rg3. Jackson when protection breaks down keeps his eyes upfield and progress through is receivers.

In 4 years, Wilson ran for 1200 yards.
In 3 years, Jackson ran for 4,100 yards!

Jackson is much closer to Vick in that he takes off frequently and effectively. But he can also throw in the pocket. That's where RGIII had issues. No pocket ability to fall back on once he was injured.

Polian was very clear that at best Jackson is a developmental QB, but that even drafted that way, due to his athleticism, teams would push to get him on the field as a receiver/returner/runner.

I don't put a lot of stock in Kiper or McShay's opinions, but Polian has a phenomenal track record so his viewpoint should carry a lot of weight.

It is below average.

I think he needs to move to WR, and the sooner the better

He's gonna play WR

In comment 13796659 Sy'56 said:

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It is below average. I think he needs to move to WR, and the sooner the better

Ouch. Lol

That Jackson is much more like Vick then RGIII or Wilson.

Vick had his struggles throwing accurately at first, but he still was a dangerous threat his first years in the league. Who knows how good he could have been without the dog fighting. He was pretty damn good that one year in Philly.

Jackson is like Vick but he runs even tougher. If the coaches think Jackson is the guy in a trade down scenerio, then I'm all in for it.

he seems very careless with how he holds the ball...

Is going to rise or fall at the combine due to actual size, weight, speed, mechanics consistency and arm strength. He will need to run 4.5 or better, be the he 6-3 he is listed at and show consistency in his throwing process. He has done it all at the collegiate level but the level of players at the pro level takes the good running QB’s out the games. We will find out quite a bit about him in the near future and he has many questions to answer.

As for Cam Newton he had his one year of glory and did not win the big one. As he ages and his size starts to work against him the year of glory will become unrealistic to repeat. No Cam is not elite he might be the best running QB in history of the NFL but his passing game leaves much to be desired.

great arm, but there are concerns about his accuracy at the next level. I’ve read that some teams want to see if he would be amenable to a position switch if it doesn’t work out at QB before committing to drafting him.

In other words, he is a bit of a project, but his athleticism alone makes him a first rounder, IMO.

Great athlete, not a great passer.

In comment 13796622 Tom in NY said:

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Polian was very clear that at best Jackson is a developmental QB, but that even drafted that way, due to his athleticism, teams would push to get him on the field as a receiver/returner/runner. I don't put a lot of stock in Kiper or McShay's opinions, but Polian has a phenomenal track record so his viewpoint should carry a lot of weight.

Bill Polian also spent five picks in one draft on 3 centers and two tight ends. He thought Landry Jones was the best QB in his class. He thought Aj Mccaron was better than anyone in last years class

In comment 13796659 Sy'56 said:

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It is below average. I think he needs to move to WR, and the sooner the better

Josh Allen should be moving to tight end then

In comment 13796718 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13796659 Sy'56 said: Quote: It is below average. I think he needs to move to WR, and the sooner the better Josh Allen should be moving to tight end then

You aren't going to get me supporting Allen...But I do think Allen has much more arm talent than Jackson. Whatever though I don't like both as a 1st round QB

I read somewhere that he will be invited to the combine as a QB but scouts are also going to ask him to work out as a WR...
I would imagine that's a sign that NFL scouts view him like Sy

In comment 13796480 oldutican said:

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going on here.

Where?

There is a film study video out there comparing josh Allen and Lamar Jackson that has some interesting points - the one ID like to review was Jackson
Compared to Allen whose mechanics and decision among were poor Jackson had a notably compactnquick delivery , largely good decision among and to me most impressive quiet feet in the pocket. The evaluator. Was very impressed with his ability to focus downfield , and not bail early, to have his feet set/ reset quickly and deliver with zip . He did. It comment overmuch on accuracy but thought it was good and could get better . Others, I know , have commented on his lack of accuracy.
ID encourage everyone to view this for a more complete
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I think based on this film review he should not be dismissed readily -

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/12/30/rsp-film-room-no-119-qbs-lamar-jackson-and-josh-allen-in-the-pocket/amp/

In comment 13796821 Tom in Kzoo said:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/12/30/rsp-film-room-no-119-qbs-lamar-jackson-and-josh-allen-in-the-pocket/amp/

Saw that video when Terps posted it. BBI posters would really be doing themselves a favor by watching it. There are about 15-20 posts on Jackson in this thread that are just wrong.

We typically let some schlub nobody has ever heard of sit on the roster as 3rd QB forever and pray that he never plays. What if this guy does turn into an NFL pocket passer? Teams can interview people and have them throw..

In comment 13796864 idiotsavant said:

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We typically let some schlub nobody has ever heard of sit on the roster as 3rd QB forever and pray that he never plays. What if this guy does turn into an NFL pocket passer? Teams can interview people and have them throw..

Plus do all these Jackson should play WR people know if he can catch? I’d take by chances on developing him into a QB than trying to turn him into something he’s never been

In comment 13796815 Tom in Kzoo said:

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There is a film study video out there comparing josh Allen and Lamar Jackson that has some interesting points - the one ID like to review was Jackson Compared to Allen whose mechanics and decision among were poor Jackson had a notably compactnquick delivery , largely good decision among and to me most impressive quiet feet in the pocket. The evaluator. Was very impressed with his ability to focus downfield , and not bail early, to have his feet set/ reset quickly and deliver with zip . He did. It comment overmuch on accuracy but thought it was good and could get better . Others, I know , have commented on his lack of accuracy. ID encourage everyone to view this for a more complete Picture . I think based on this film review he should not be dismissed readily -

Do you type with your toes?

Griffin had a rocket of an arm and blazing speed. However, he was brittle and didn't protect his body. He also couldn't read a defense or play under center, primarily because he never did it before. I believe the anecdote was he didn't even have a playbook in college ... and was damn proud of it.

If Jackson can protect his body, play under center and from the pocket, read defenses, and go through his progressions, I'm interested.

In comment 13796864 idiotsavant said:

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We typically let some schlub nobody has ever heard of sit on the roster as 3rd QB forever and pray that he never plays. What if this guy does turn into an NFL pocket passer? Teams can interview people and have them throw..

I think the reason is Jackson won't be a schlub at WR. He could be an impact player. It doesn't make sense to have an impact player at 3rd string QB. However, the decision is ultimately Jackson's to make. If his passion is to play QB, then he needs to make it perfectly clear that a position change is off the table. And more power to him if this is what he chooses. Teams need to draft accordingly, however.

In comment 13796419 Miamijints said:

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you guys never watched him play. Link - ( New Window )

Thanks for the link. That was pretty insightful.

Which is what this guy sounds like if he -does- transition.

And teams routinely bench rookie QBs while looking to build such value....so...

In comment 13796385 The_Boss said:

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I want absolutely no part of him.

I’m with you

The logic is backwards

yea ...123 punt

which is 6'4", 218. And Rosen is a prototypical pocket passer.

Lamar Jackson's frame is 6'3", 213. And he'd be running A LOT. And getting hit A LOT. By NFL defenders.

If you want Lamar Jackson, you need to attach your backup quarterback preference, too. Because you're going to need a good one sooner than later.

In comment 13797078 Mr. Bungle said:

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which is 6'4", 218. And Rosen is a prototypical pocket passer. Lamar Jackson's frame is 6'3", 213. And he'd be running A LOT. And getting hit A LOT. By NFL defenders. If you want Lamar Jackson, you need to attach your backup quarterback preference, too. Because you're going to need a good one sooner than later.

Derek Carr: 6-2, 215
Kirk Cousins: 6-3, 214
Andy Dalton: 6-2, 210
Lamar Jackson: 6-3, 212

In comment 13797139 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13797078 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: which is 6'4", 218. And Rosen is a prototypical pocket passer. Lamar Jackson's frame is 6'3", 213. And he'd be running A LOT. And getting hit A LOT. By NFL defenders. If you want Lamar Jackson, you need to attach your backup quarterback preference, too. Because you're going to need a good one sooner than later. Derek Carr: 6-2, 215 Kirk Cousins: 6-3, 214 Andy Dalton: 6-2, 210 Lamar Jackson: 6-3, 212

Derek Carr was hurt this year. Cousins and Dalton aren't running quarterbacks.

Not sure what your point is.

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The concerns about durability are based completely on the experiences of other quarterbacks, and not his own.

A look see.

Especially as possibly a lower pick.

Could open up trade down as an option (if it's not one already).

As for system... Pshaw. If he is the real deal you adjust.

In comment 13797189 Go Terps said:

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The concerns about durability are based completely on the experiences of other quarterbacks, and not his own.

In fact here is how Jackson compared to the 1st round runningbacks last year in carries per game over their carries. All while having a "slight frame" and never missing a game.

Mccaffery 17.22 cpg
Mixon 12 cpg
Fournette 19.25 cpg
Jackson 17.24 cpg

I like J T Barrett better than Jackson after all this QB stuff watch Barrett might be the best of them all ....pretty good college QB

Can you imagine on 1st down the idea of a RPO with Jackson taking the snap, Barkley behind him and OJ and Engram releasing? Jiminy crickets, both the QB and RB are faster than all your LBs.

not in the pro's, they get killed. You need to be a pocket passer #1. Then if you can run a bit thats icing on the cake. Proof is you see lots of great pocket guys around, and some great guys who can do both (like Rogers and Wilson), but zero run first guys. Vick, RG3, Kaep, etc. just can't cut it against NFL defenses.

From what I have seen Jackson has accuracy issues that may prevent him from becoming an NFL pocket passer.

In comment 13796659 Sy'56 said:

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It is below average. I think he needs to move to WR, and the sooner the better

I heard that teams wanted to see him workout as QB and WR during the combine. His body type reminds me of a WR than QB. But I am interested to see if he can play WR, not for us, but in general