NFT: Knicks/NBA Talk: Kemba Available?

Frank + this year's 1? More?

Knicks need to tear the house down to the studs. Acquire as many picks as possible and NEVER trade a #1 pick when theyre going to be in the lottery.

In comment 13796509 Justlurking said:

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Knicks need to tear the house down to the studs. Acquire as many picks as possible and NEVER trade a #1 pick when theyre going to be in the lottery.

Maybe continue to lurk?

at least this year's unprotected first from the Knicks for Kemba. Throw in someone like Hernangomez too (who doesn't play anyway). He's a legit all-star and would be a real "piece" along with KP for a potential contender.

Frank, Gomez, 1st and bulls 2nd minimum..

Add in fillers..

Kemba hardaway Beasley kp kanter?

In comment 13796512 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 13796509 Justlurking said: Quote: Knicks need to tear the house down to the studs. Acquire as many picks as possible and NEVER trade a #1 pick when theyre going to be in the lottery. Maybe continue to lurk?

Maybe dont suggest the knicks do the same fucking thing that has led to 20 years of futility?

but he's only got a few years left in his prime and the Knicks wouldn't be ready for him anyway.

"Charlotte has been encouraging teams to make offers and appear eager to discuss attaching Walker to a larger trade where another team takes on one of the Hornets' several far less desirable contracts, sources said."

Last thing the Knicks need is more bad contracts.

In comment 13796528 Justlurking said:

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In comment 13796512 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13796509 Justlurking said: Quote: Knicks need to tear the house down to the studs. Acquire as many picks as possible and NEVER trade a #1 pick when theyre going to be in the lottery. Maybe continue to lurk? Maybe dont suggest the knicks do the same fucking thing that has led to 20 years of futility?

Trading for a young, reasonably cheap all star point guard is what they've done over the last 20 years? Not quite, champ.

This isn't a washed Steve Francis.

I would not trade Frank, and probably not this year's pick, so it's basically a non-starter.

I bet he ends up in Cleveland somehow.

In comment 13796559 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 13796528 Justlurking said: Quote: In comment 13796512 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13796509 Justlurking said: Quote: Knicks need to tear the house down to the studs. Acquire as many picks as possible and NEVER trade a #1 pick when theyre going to be in the lottery. Maybe continue to lurk? Maybe dont suggest the knicks do the same fucking thing that has led to 20 years of futility? Trading for a young, reasonably cheap all star point guard is what they've done over the last 20 years? Not quite, champ. This isn't a washed Steve Francis.

he's 27. Knicks got Steve Francis when he was 28. They got Stephon Marbury when he was 26. Thanks for proving my point, boss.

Kp is ready to win now..

its a terrible idea.

When Knicks traded for guys like Marbury or even melo, they traded for them to be the main guys...

Knicks trading for kemba are going to ask him to be the 2md guy next to kp

In comment 13796566 Justlurking said:

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In comment 13796559 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13796528 Justlurking said: Quote: In comment 13796512 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13796509 Justlurking said: Quote: Knicks need to tear the house down to the studs. Acquire as many picks as possible and NEVER trade a #1 pick when theyre going to be in the lottery. Maybe continue to lurk? Maybe dont suggest the knicks do the same fucking thing that has led to 20 years of futility? Trading for a young, reasonably cheap all star point guard is what they've done over the last 20 years? Not quite, champ. This isn't a washed Steve Francis. he's 27. Knicks got Steve Francis when he was 28. They got Stephon Marbury when he was 26. Thanks for proving my point, boss.

It's about more than age you doofus. Francis was a cancer in Houston and came off the bench in NY for most of his time here. That was doomed from the jump. Walker would be the starter and main playmaker for the team.

In comment 13796570 nygiants16 said:

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Kp is ready to win now..

He�s probably to tired to win now

not allergic to passing this year, but he's a scoring guard. THJR is a scoring guard. This team, KP specifically, needs a distributing PG, preferably a young PG that is cost controlled and can grow with KP so we are ready to win in 2 years when it becomes realistic. Trading assets for Kemba Walker ensures that the Knicks get older, less flexible with the cap and have no chance of winning a title in the short term. Terrible idea.

In comment 13796572 Keith said:

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its a terrible idea.

I feel like im in the twilight zone with Knicks fans. Its truly unreal how they will talk themselves into "names" over team.

They need about 6 players, not one. Big deal you get Kemba, where does that get you? The 8 seed?

In comment 13796601 Keith said:

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not allergic to passing this year, but he's a scoring guard. THJR is a scoring guard. This team, KP specifically, needs a distributing PG, preferably a young PG that is cost controlled and can grow with KP so we are ready to win in 2 years when it becomes realistic. Trading assets for Kemba Walker ensures that the Knicks get older, less flexible with the cap and have no chance of winning a title in the short term. Terrible idea.

cannot agree more

Williams, Batum, Gilchrist, etc., the Knicks should stay far away from anything Charlotte is looking to sell them on.

if we had other pieces in place already, I can see the case. This is not that situation. It will cost us both assets and cap flexibility and will not bring us anywhere close to contention. Knicks need to plan for 2020 and beyond, thats it. NOt to mention, I think he's a terrible fit for the few guys that will probably be here long term, like THJR and KP.

then they should get Walker at .50 on the dollar or better, depending on how bad the deals are. So Willy + Dotson + salary filler for Walker + bad contracts.

KP
THJ
Walker

Frank backs up both G spots. Add 2018 #1 to the mix!

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and their 1st for Lee and our 2nd.

In comment 13796625 giants#1 said:

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then they should get Walker at .50 on the dollar or better, depending on how bad the deals are. So Willy + Dotson + salary filler for Walker + bad contracts. KP THJ Walker Frank backs up both G spots. Add 2018 #1 to the mix!

lol, very realistic.

In comment 13796633 Keith said:

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Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and their 1st for Lee and our 2nd.

Exactly! Need to do some deals like this and acquire young/future assets. Knicks aren't competing for the title next year, so rent out the cap space.

hopefully it's as the 3rd team in a 3 team trade. I pray this FO has a vision.

Can the knicks compete in the east with kp, kemba, hardaway, kanter, mcdermott, Beasley, oquinn, as your main guys...

If you think yes, you do it, if you think no, you dont...that simple

Kemba's having a great season, but I don't think he'd necessarily be a good fit in NY. Charlotte's having a really underwhelming season.

about the types of trades I would make involving Frank and/or Willy, and the first guy I thought of was Kemba Walker. This isn't some no-brainer either way - Kemba brings a lot of things to the table that we are sorely lacking. I'd be tempted to trade the first rounder for him if we can hold onto Frank, but I think Charlotte would want both.

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Knicks just need to keep tanking and hit a homer in the lottery
Then they will be well on their way

that Mark Jackson may replace Hornacek - didn't really give a timetable for that though. Have to wonder why Jackson hasn't sniffed a coaching job since Golden State - it's been a little while now.

Dee "warming" to a Walker deal absurdly in the Knicks favor lol. Thanks TOmmy!

trade for marginal returns? I guess if it's believed that Kemba is that much of a difference maker then go ahead, but it's hard to see it working because as previous posters have said it's the exact same thing the Knicks have done in the past. In my opinion, unless the Knicks can get him for veteran players and 2nd round draft picks they should pass. I personally wouldn't even consider trading any young talent or first round draft picks for anybody unless it's a no-brainer deal.

The formula seems fairy simple. Trade vets for expiring contracts, draft picks, and younger players with upside, wait until the bad contracts are up, and then stack new talent on top of the current talent. It's just a matter of patience.

not so positive take on what KP is doing (and Jack needs to play less)
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Nice talent. But he�s not gonna add that many more wins to this team. Plus at 27, while still somewhat young he doesn�t fit the timeline of Frank, KP and whoever we end up drafting. No thanks.

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Steve Clifford -- who had suffered from severe headaches caused largely by sleep deprivation -- returned from a 21-game absence and coached a victory over the Washington Wizards on Wednesday night.

WTF? The HC missed 21 games due to sleep deprivation head aches? That has to be a first. That's even a bit "Knickish."

In comment 13796795 bceagle05 said:

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that Mark Jackson may replace Hornacek - didn't really give a timetable for that though. Have to wonder why Jackson hasn't sniffed a coaching job since Golden State - it's been a little while now.

There's a ton of bad stories from Jacksons tenure in GS. Zach Lowe wouldn't reveal what it is, but he said knowing what happened with the Warriors he would be completely shocked if he ever got a NBA coaching job again.

In comment 13796961 DanMetroMan said:

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not so positive take on what KP is doing (and Jack needs to play less) Link - ( New Window )

Didn't go through this whole article, but starting the article, I can dismiss it immediately. A contested shot for Melo is not the same as a contested shot for KP. KP is 7'3 and just because a guy is on him, doesn't mean its contested. He shoots the ball from higher than where the defender is, so he's not really contested.

That being said, KP is taking way too many long range 2s, which wasn't really Melo's problem. The older, Knicks version of Melo, was taking 3s compared to KP who is taking long 2's. KP seems to have trouble getting the ball in the low post, he's constantly getting denied and ends up getting the ball 15 feet away and then can't back his guy down.

Long story short, KP's issues are not comparable to Melo's issues, they are his own issues that will be fixed.

In comment 13796675 nygiants16 said:

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Can the knicks compete in the east with kp, kemba, hardaway, kanter, mcdermott, Beasley, oquinn, as your main guys... If you think yes, you do it, if you think no, you dont...that simple

To further this point. If you think yes, stop watching basketball.

"Kerr overhauled a team culture that had grown poisonous, for well-documented reasons, under Jackson and his assistants. In his zeal to motivate players, Jackson fostered resentment among them and toward the front office. He fired two assistants, requested Jerry West stay away from practices, and asked a younger front-office official to stop rebounding for players, sources have said.

When Festus Ezeli was injured last season, Jackson and his staff told the healthy players that Ezeli was cheering against them � so that he would look good, according to several team sources. Players confronted Ezeli in a meeting, and he wept at the accusation � which he denied."

Trust the process

In Frank I trust.

Kemba is great! But we have our PG

We simply need a STUD 3 that is versatile and can play a lil SG also PF

I know it's tough to find that guy but maybe Porter is the guy?? Idk we need to TANK WITH FRANK and find out.. we need that stud SF and BAM , maybe NYK will bring back the hardware , KP will have to sack up tho and not get tired WHEN it's time.

Then he will be coaching the Knicks



In comment 13796997 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 13796795 bceagle05 said: Quote: that Mark Jackson may replace Hornacek - didn't really give a timetable for that though. Have to wonder why Jackson hasn't sniffed a coaching job since Golden State - it's been a little while now. There's a ton of bad stories from Jacksons tenure in GS. Zach Lowe wouldn't reveal what it is, but he said knowing what happened with the Warriors he would be completely shocked if he ever got a NBA coaching job again.

In comment 13796981 djm said:

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Quote: Steve Clifford -- who had suffered from severe headaches caused largely by sleep deprivation -- returned from a 21-game absence and coached a victory over the Washington Wizards on Wednesday night. WTF? The HC missed 21 games due to sleep deprivation head aches? That has to be a first. That's even a bit "Knickish."

He was getting medically evaluated. It was something he was dealing with for a while.

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SALT LAKE CITY � While the Knicks are in a developmental mode with rookie project point guard Frank Ntilikina as one of the centerpieces of their rebuilding plan, an All-Star point guard hailing from New York has come on the trade market in Kemba Walker.

The Hornets, faced with luxury-tax issues, want to shed Walker�s contract as they are not even in the playoff hunt, ESPN.com reports.

An NBA source, despite speculation linking the Knicks and Walker, told The Post the club has not made contact with Charlotte about Walker to date.

Walker makes $12 million this season and his contract expires after the 2018-19 campaign. Beginning two weeks ago, when reports first swirled, the Knicks came up as a rumored destination.
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but unless we are getting him for peanuts id pass. We just cant be giving up Frank or first rounders and if we take that off the table we dont have much else. Kemba makes more sense for a team closer to contending. Of course most of those teams already have comparable or better PGs.

In comment 13797149 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13796981 djm said: Quote: Quote: Steve Clifford -- who had suffered from severe headaches caused largely by sleep deprivation -- returned from a 21-game absence and coached a victory over the Washington Wizards on Wednesday night. WTF? The HC missed 21 games due to sleep deprivation head aches? That has to be a first. That's even a bit "Knickish." He was getting medically evaluated. It was something he was dealing with for a while.

Understood -- thx. Sounds brutal.

Let's see if hornacek now plays Beasley or lance