If the Giants take Barkey at 2, than how much do

and go forward with Eli for the foreseeable future, as DG said. He hit on both these points a few times in his first few discussions of his plans with the team.

Highly unlikely that the team is competitive until the line is resolved.

To rebuild the O line no matter what

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this season and complete the job next season.

piece beyond that is a stud RB, I think with that thinking he will not hesitate to take Barkley if he's the guy he wants.

We have been trying to rebuild the line for almost a decade but DG is going to do it in one year. That means some of you still believe we have maybe two or more decent OL on the this team if so please report to the film room.

Because I want them to, that's why.

whats the point? Its going to take two years to fix the OL...at that point ELI will be 39 and then what? now we are looking for a QB again and perhaps giving up valuable picks to move up. Why wouldnt we just take the top QB thats availabe at #2 and pray we lock that down for the next 15 years.. I think it is way too late now to rebuild around ELI. this is a two year rebuild.

feeling about one of the available QB's. Problem is that may not happen. Than you do not take a QB and Barkely is one of the potential plan B's who could become plan A!

....I suggested the following.

Norwell in FA
Barkley in Round 1
Price in Round 2

Put Flowers at RT and Wheeler at LT and our running game should improve dramatically.

considered strong picks in the draft, their O-lines were in place first. That allowed them to make an immediate impact. The Vikings rebuilt their entire o-line last offseason and are one game from the Super Bowl. DG may choose to build his lines first. In this draft with the number 2 pick that is going to be hard to do barring a trade or two.

youtube videos of him and this kid looks like a bigger Barry Sanders. He's got great balance and acceleration and nobody catches him from behind. Also seems like a great kid from a good family. There's video's of him in the weight room and the kid is strong as hell - his fitness coach says he hasn't had such a physical specimen since Vernon Davis. Wouldn't be upset with him at 2 - could really make this offense tough to deal with even with an average O-line.

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and go forward with Eli for the foreseeable future, as DG said. He hit on both these points a few times in his first few discussions of his plans with the team.

thats fine to go forward with that plan but you better be a superbowl contender fora year or 2 or else this franchise could be set back because you are in a position to draft your next QB for the next 15 years and transition from Eli to the new QB and have QB set for 30 years...

if you don't go QB and don't go that route and we have a couple pedestrian years with Eli and Webb isn't good enough this will be an epic failure that we might not recover from for a long time.

A big risk if you ask me. Because very rarely do we draft this high.

I'm with Fivehead. Whomever I've want them to draft..not a chance most recently Donald and Gurley.

If they take the RB and he has a 1.9 ypc fans will be screaming we drafted another Ron Dayne!

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youtube videos of him and this kid looks like a bigger Barry Sanders.

Stop. Just stop.

Trade down, draft 4 ols 3 rbs and a few lbs and .. see you again next year.

Spags gets a year as fall guy for not grabbing more DTS and des as well.

they did it. And unless the OL is upgraded the same thing will happen in the NFL.

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they did it. And unless the OL is upgraded the same thing will happen in the NFL.

Which is why calling him "a bigger Barry Sanders" is laughable.

In comment 13796834 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13796720 giant24 said: Quote: youtube videos of him and this kid looks like a bigger Barry Sanders. Stop. Just stop.

LOL I'm going to cosign with Greg.

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they did it. And unless the OL is upgraded the same thing will happen in the NFL.

Can't sell out to stop the run and double team OBJ. Somethings gotta give.

4 yards per carry. They just didn't have the feet or speed to turn them into longer yardage. Barkley would! Only later in the year did the Giants even committed to the run. Barkley is a special receiver also. His running after the catch in he open field again special.

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In comment 13796834 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13796720 giant24 said: Quote: youtube videos of him and this kid looks like a bigger Barry Sanders. Stop. Just stop. LOL I'm going to cosign with Greg.

Others think he's the best running back since Barry Sanders. Barkley himself says he models his style from Sanders.

Saqoun Barkley inspired by Sanders Penn State running back Saquon Barkley models his style on and off the field after Hall of Famer Barry Sanders.
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20379593

ESPN’s Booger McFarland: Saquon Barkley is best RB since Barry Sanders
http://www.ajc.com/sports/college/espn-booger-mcfarland-saquon-barkley-best-since-barry-sanders/BWgpqFRlVkMfUesImXuIjP/

Barkely best rb since Sanders?
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/barkley-best-rb-since-barry-sanders.185653/

The best since Barry Sanders? Matt Millen's glowing review of Penn State's Saquon Barkley
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu/mc-spt-penn-state-football-saquon-barkley-matt-millen-20171025-story.html

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....I suggested the following. Norwell in FA Barkley in Round 1 Price in Round 2 Put Flowers at RT and Wheeler at LT and our running game should improve dramatically.

+1
The middle needs to be solid. It forces Ds to cheat 1 step in, gives SB a 1 step advantage on sweeps, short passes, and one more step of field for receivers to have a bigger catching area(4sq. yds.+/-). Better blocking by the receivers could make short gains we've had long gains with .5 second longer holding blocks, not holding on their blocks.

But Gettlemen has made statements to the effect, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Giants first pick will be along the O-Line. There still should be some good value in the 2nd, plus we may see the team resign Fluker and sign another FA OL. My uneducated guess is that Flowers will still be on the line but at one of the OGs or at RT. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but I don't see him at LT next year.

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But Gettlemen has made statements to the effect, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Giants first pick will be along the O-Line. There still should be some good value in the 2nd, plus we may see the team resign Fluker and sign another FA OL. My uneducated guess is that Flowers will still be on the line but at one of the OGs or at RT. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but I don't see him at LT next year.

No way will Flowers be at LT next season barring some unfortunate injuries to other linemen.

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In comment 13796956 Beer Man said: Quote: But Gettlemen has made statements to the effect, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Giants first pick will be along the O-Line. There still should be some good value in the 2nd, plus we may see the team resign Fluker and sign another FA OL. My uneducated guess is that Flowers will still be on the line but at one of the OGs or at RT. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but I don't see him at LT next year. No way will Flowers be at LT next season barring some unfortunate injuries to other linemen.

I didn't think he would be there this year, but the team sometimes comes up with some real head-scratcher decisions

In comment 13796923 giant24 said:

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In comment 13796847 Peppers said: Quote: In comment 13796834 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13796720 giant24 said: Quote: youtube videos of him and this kid looks like a bigger Barry Sanders. Stop. Just stop. LOL I'm going to cosign with Greg. Others think he's the best running back since Barry Sanders. Barkley himself says he models his style from Sanders. Saqoun Barkley inspired by Sanders Penn State running back Saquon Barkley models his style on and off the field after Hall of Famer Barry Sanders. http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20379593 ESPN’s Booger McFarland: Saquon Barkley is best RB since Barry Sanders http://www.ajc.com/sports/college/espn-booger-mcfarland-saquon-barkley-best-since-barry-sanders/BWgpqFRlVkMfUesImXuIjP/ Barkely best rb since Sanders? https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/barkley-best-rb-since-barry-sanders.185653/ The best since Barry Sanders? Matt Millen's glowing review of Penn State's Saquon Barkley http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu/mc-spt-penn-state-football-saquon-barkley-matt-millen-20171025-story.html

Your first mistake was referencing Booger and Matt Millen. I really hope thats not where your opinion derived from. Secondly, Barry Sanders rushed for nearly 2700 yards in one college season which last I checked is still the record. Barkleys best is what 1500..

A few weeks ago he was the next Bo Jackson, now Barry Sanders.. I think we need to slow this hype train down a little bit. Do we need to be reminded of Trent Richardson?

Barley's best OL at PSU was his Sophomore year, not his Junior year...

He may not need the best OL to succeed.

has had a few stinkers.

And none of his OL played a down in the NFL, since that's the usual caveat from the Barkley fan club.

Barkley ran for 43 TDs....in his collegiate career. Stop with the silly comparisons. Barkley might be a great back, but he's NOT in any conversation with Barry Sanders. No one since 1988 has been.

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If they take the RB and he has a 1.9 ypc fans will be screaming we drafted another Ron Dayne!

Giants are going to rebuild the OL. Just because they don't use their first rounder on an O-Lineman does not mean that they are ignoring the OL. I don't get why everyone assumes this.

The Rams did not have a first rounder last year and built a strong OL in the offseason by signing Whitworth, Sullivan, and making a couple of lineup changes.

The Vikings did not have a first rounder last year and rebuilt their OL from one of the worst in the league to a good unit with 5 different starters in 2017.

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And none of his OL played a down in the NFL, since that's the usual caveat from the Barkley fan club. Barkley ran for 43 TDs....in his collegiate career. Stop with the silly comparisons. Barkley might be a great back, but he's NOT in any conversation with Barry Sanders. No one since 1988 has been.

Greg: No doubt Sanders was a great runner. I don't remember him blocking at all, or catching maybe 1 or 2 times per game...

The issue with Barkley is that he can run with a crappy or inexperienced OL, he can block LB like a Mack Truck and he can catch the ball out of the backfield. Most importantly, he's just a Junior!! With the Giants personnel at the "touch" positions, that's the only piece needed to fix the offense--a running game and a RB that is just as much of a threat as a receiver, as well as a RB that can do what ANY of our current RB can do--block.

Don't get me wrong, a few more OL via the Draft or FA would help this offense, but getting Barkley, would be sufficient to go deep in the playoffs.

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In comment 13796687 Emlen'sGremlins said: Quote: ....I suggested the following. Norwell in FA Barkley in Round 1 Price in Round 2 Put Flowers at RT and Wheeler at LT and our running game should improve dramatically. +1 The middle needs to be solid. It forces Ds to cheat 1 step in, gives SB a 1 step advantage on sweeps, short passes, and one more step of field for receivers to have a bigger catching area(4sq. yds.+/-). Better blocking by the receivers could make short gains we've had long gains with .5 second longer holding blocks, not holding on their blocks.

Norwell is a great idea, but we won't get him. We will be outbid for his services.

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they did it. And unless the OL is upgraded the same thing will happen in the NFL.

OBJ EE and Shep werent on that field when teams sold out to stop Barkley

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....I suggested the following. Norwell in FA Barkley in Round 1 Price in Round 2 Put Flowers at RT and Wheeler at LT and our running game should improve dramatically.

This would be amazing. I'm praying they're able to sign Norwell in FA.

Wheeler, Bisnowaty, Flowers is a line that has weak links......they tend to break....

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Yes, if he’s worth the No. 2 pick over a possible franchise QB he should be able to make his own holes.

Unfortunately Sanders is now 49 years old, so that's not that impressive